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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Nov-04-09 09:42 PM
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I can't help but wonder about lost opportunities...
... and how the vote in Maine might have gone, had the opportunities been embraced.

...I think it would be incredibly valuable if Pres. Obama simply spoke out more forcefully when the occasion presents.

His silence on Prop 8 was unfortunate. But his silence on the achievement of marriage equality in Iowa, Vermont and New Hampshire was much worse, IMO: It was a lost opportunity.

That was a rare and precious moment of transformation, and it pains me that he let it go by. That he didn't seize the opportunity to energize and strengthen the trend in a way that he, uniquely, could have.


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   And spend political capital? HA! Seems he's putting it all in an IRA.  MNDemNY   Nov-04-09 09:44 PM   #1 
   I can't help but wonder about people who can't think for themselves  babylonsister   Nov-04-09 09:59 PM   #2 
   There is  Cha   Nov-04-09 10:02 PM   #3 
   There is what?  Zenlitened   Nov-10-09 09:41 AM   #13 
      Guess not. - n/t  Zenlitened   Nov-12-09 09:18 AM   #15 
   Meaning... what, exactly?  Zenlitened   Nov-05-09 12:16 AM   #4 
   must be secret code only her sidekick Cha can understand.  jonnyblitz   Nov-05-09 08:32 AM   #7 
      I dunno. I was hoping to get some clarification. - n/t  Zenlitened   Nov-06-09 11:41 AM   #8 
   Oh well. Another item for the Great Unsolved file, I guess.  Zenlitened   Nov-07-09 12:00 PM   #9 
   Such nastiness.  Zenlitened   Nov-08-09 05:55 PM   #12 
   Uhhhh.......  Sebastian Doyle   Nov-10-09 10:50 AM   #14 
      LOL!  Zenlitened   Nov-13-09 12:18 AM   #16 
   Early days  Rosa Luxemburg   Nov-05-09 12:21 AM   #5 
   I certainly hope so. And I certainly hope they'll be more vigilant...  Zenlitened   Nov-05-09 08:19 AM   #6 
   Are the voters programmable idiots? Did they need that to get out the vote?  CakeGrrl   Nov-07-09 12:04 PM   #10 
      "Blame" is a bit excessive, don't you think?  Zenlitened   Nov-07-09 12:59 PM   #11 
 
MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Nov-04-09 09:44 PM
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1. And spend political capital? HA! Seems he's putting it all in an IRA.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Nov-04-09 09:59 PM
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2. I can't help but wonder about people who can't think for themselves
until someone tells them how to think. Conscious recognition and resolution? Without someone else's opinion? Sad that's too much to ask.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Wed Nov-04-09 10:02 PM
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3. There is
that.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Nov-10-09 09:41 AM
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13. There is what?
Can you help me understand what she meant? :shrug:

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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Nov-12-09 09:18 AM
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15. Guess not. - n/t
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Nov-05-09 12:16 AM
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4. Meaning... what, exactly?
Your post makes no sense.

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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Nov-05-09 08:32 AM
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7. must be secret code only her sidekick Cha can understand.
:crazy:
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-06-09 11:41 AM
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8. I dunno. I was hoping to get some clarification. - n/t
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 12:00 PM
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9. Oh well. Another item for the Great Unsolved file, I guess.
Edited on Sat Nov-07-09 12:04 PM by Zenlitened
:shrug:

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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Nov-08-09 05:55 PM
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12. Such nastiness.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Nov-10-09 10:50 AM
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14. Uhhhh.......
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Nov-13-09 12:18 AM
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16. LOL!
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Thu Nov-05-09 12:21 AM
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5. Early days
I think things will change over the next year.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Thu Nov-05-09 08:19 AM
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6. I certainly hope so. And I certainly hope they'll be more vigilant...
... about spotting -- and making the most of -- opportunities to shape the dialog.

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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 12:04 PM
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10. Are the voters programmable idiots? Did they need that to get out the vote?
Is he going to be responsible for EVERY state measure that goes the wrong way because the voters were too complacent and lazy?

That's a lazy excuse to lay off blame for everything that goes wrong on one person. And conveniently, a great way for his DU detractors to refuel their anger.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Nov-07-09 12:59 PM
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11. "Blame" is a bit excessive, don't you think?
It's more a matter of the Butterfly Effect, really. A flap of the wings, so to speak, at a crucial moment... could have a great effect later on.

Some well-timed words of support back when Iowa, Vermont and New Hampshire joined the Equality Club might have lent real energy to the movement. Just a nudge, that might have been magnified or multiplied as it combined with other forces. And together it all might have enough to swing this week's vote in Maine the other way.

We'll never know.

:(


(By the way, if it comforts you at all... it's not anger I'm experiencing. It's sadness.)
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