One simple question. Why are these goddamned "centrists" so secure in their opposition to PO?

[PretzelWarrior]

I mean it just makes NO FUCKING SENSE whatsoever. The polls show consistently the people of America want a public option.

Are these people not aware they are FUCKING GOING DOWN IN FLAMES the next time they are up for election?

BECAUSE I GARAN DAMN TEE you I will be working overtime to donate to their opposition (yes even Republicans) in 2010 if they don't get the fuck on the stick serving their own people.

P.S. for clarification I mean Mary Liandreau, Joe Lieberman, Ben Nelson and their ilk.

P.S. The Nation has a great article on how fucking albino Gephardt is cashing in as a lobbyist selling us reglr folk down the river in opposition to things like health care reform. DLC jerk wads are just one more wrinkle in all the reich wing problems with our corporo-fascist country.

[SPedigrees]

1. Bought & paid for by the insur lobby. nt

[PretzelWarrior]

2. but do they not care about their jobs? They will lose.

[DJ13]

6. In losing they get a lifetime pension near current pay

AND...... the can go to work for their campaign supporting health insurer making big bucks doing near nothing.

We need to reduce their pensions and put a 5 year moratorium on working for any company connected to legislation they voted on to stop these people from selling out.

[PretzelWarrior]

10. oh believe me. they don't want to lose.

[tblue]

15. They can buy a lot of pretty tv ads with that blood money they get from Big Ins.

[tblue]

14. Yep. That's their constituency. NOT US. nt

[Moochy]

19. ...

damn skippy.

[debbierlus]

3. The health insurance industry and big pharm are promising huge contributions for their campaigns

And, they threaten to spend that money destroying them should they go against the powers that be.

They believe that American's have short term memories and they will campaign on whatever suck ass health bill passes as proof of their committment to real governance. These beliefs are not unwarranted. Many people have incredibly short memories when it comes to politics, and vast numbers don't pay any attention at all.

I think they are miscalculating. The health care & big pharm mafia have broken too many people for their not to be severe repurcussions for passing a bad bill and that includes the one currently proposed by Reid. 10% of the population eventually covered in 7 years does not a public option make.

The dems are fucking this whole thing up on a grand scale. They are disconnected from the reality of the people.

[ej510]

5. The democratic party wants to be the minority party again.

[PretzelWarrior]

7. I'm willing to go to the mattresses on this. Hey fuckwad Dems. You want Chicago Style?

I'll give you Chicago style. We'll make sure there is a "GOOD" Democrat in your seat or we'll sacrifice a Dem seat just to cap your ass politically.

The fuckheads don't get the power of grass roots $$$$ multiplying to keep pace with K street and the other corporate WHORE mongering.

You're dead politically as a Dem if you oppose meaningful public option.

Just sayin.

[sandnsea]

4. No organizing in their states

How can Lieberman be comfortable in Connecticut or Snowe/Collins be comfortable in Maine? If we can't help the people of those states put pressure on them, how can we ever hope to win over Arkansas, Nebraska or Louisiana.

[PretzelWarrior]

they are busy fighting the last war and doing things the "old way"

they are DINOsaurs and will go extinct.

[Old Codger]

8. Each and every

American citizen, Rebublicans, Independents,Democrats, and any non affiliated included should,if they had half a brain, be so totally disgusted with our so called representatives in the house and the senate that it would make them puke. There is no real reason whatsoever for either side in this to not want what is good for all peoples of this once great country. It is pathetic to hear/see these pathetic excuses for humanity talk, rant and rave as they have been doing. This goes for all sides of this supposed debate,there should not in fact be a SIDE to this it makes good sense in every way possible to enumerate to take good care of the people, we are what made this country great and we are what is allowing this country to go down the slide to oblivion.

[PretzelWarrior]

9. HEAR! HEAR! Heartily wishing I could recommend your reply.

fucking retarded skanky ass harlots. I promise you. My central mission will be to take them down one by one in their respective elections. I will form a non profit devoted to saying "YOU FUCKED WITH THE WRONG PEOPLE!"

I bet once I get set up with people who know what they are doing we can get literally tens of millions of $$ from Americans to take them down.

[depakid]

11. Since when has the right wing cared about how popular a policy is?

They get 'em put through anyway, while the Dems take popular (and rational) policies and water 'em down or turn them into losers.

Been the case now for over 20 years.

[Captain Hilts]

12. Because they already have lifetime govt-sponsored healthcare? Beats me. nt

[MissMarple]

13. Well, I don't know about those guys...they have nothing...but, the PO is no silver bullet.

Not by a long shot. There is still a LOT of work to be done.

[Thrill]

16. Why should the majority be the ones to compromise anyway?

It makes no damn sense for 52 members to have to give up their big issue for a handful of Senators. The handful are the ones who should be compromising.

[sofa king]

18. That's the role of the Senate.

Not that the GOP played it that way in this millennium, but theoretically the Senate is supposed to take into account the minority voice. Senators are given particular tools of delay to ensure that, if ignored, they can still make life difficult for the majority.

The Democrats expertly used those tools of delay more-or-less continuously for years during the Bush era, which is why we still have a country left. You will recall that, ahem, someone resorted to murder and attempted murder with anthrax in order to get the Patriot Act passed, because it's easier to kill a Senator than to get one to stop talking.

[Captain Hilts]

17. AND I'm sick of Bayh being described as a 'centrist'. He's NOT. nt