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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 07:24 PM
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The Case Kerry Fails to Make
I'm frustrated by John Kerry's campaign. You see, I really love him, both as a candidate and as a person. I'm a Massachusetts Labor Democrat, so I know Kerry's record, and it is substantial. Yet, the Bush operatives have convinced so many that he's accomplished nothing.

His campaign has failed to educate voters on one of Kerry's most significant accomplishments in the Senate. As a member of the Banking Committee he Broke the BCCI scandal. John Kerry exposed corruption within the US Government that uncovered links between drug dealers and terrorists. Many of those that Kerry exposed that faced indictment and conviction, including Fox News correspondent Oliver North, escaped jail time with a Presidential pardon.

In the same investigation, Osama bin Laden's brother-in-law and other Saudis were exposed for laundering money for terrorists.

This right wing mantra of "liberal Senator" for Kerry should be hit head on. Every pro-labor elected official gets this same label. If a Senator, like Kerry or even Republican Arlen Spector, vote in favor of worker's rights, is is categorized by some "independent group" as liberal. Then, some asshole like that drug addict Rush Limbaugh paints Liberal as some sort of bad word.

Why doesn't Kerry respond that these groups that affix these labels that his 96% "liberal" voting record is 92% pro-labor, and then add that it doesn't matter what ever these right wing anti-worker critics say, he'll always fight for the working men and women in this country. An increase in the minimum wage is considered liberal and pro-labor, extending unemployment benefits, Government regulation for health and safety codes in the work place, the right to organize and collectively bargain. Equal rights in the work place with equal pay, health care benefits and day care for workers with children. As a matter of fact, John Kerry co-sponsored the Family and Medical Leave Act, which was twice vetoed by Bush's father and signed into law by President Clinton. These issues are all considered "liberal" and are pro-labor.

Kerry should turn the tables and ask Bush which one of these "liberal" votes Bush is against?

His position on the war in Iraq should be simple. He should say that he has two positions on that war. When he is elected President, he will go to Iraq, listen intently to our commanders and speak frankly. If the Iraqis are willing to fight alongside our brave men and women, with the same commitment as us, we will give them all the support they need. On the other hand, if the Iraqis can't be trusted as allies, it is time that we orderly withdraw from that country. Brave, young American men and women should not be asked to fight harder for another people's freedom, than they are willing to fight themselves. If there is one thing John Kerry learned from his Viet-Nam experience it is that we should either fight the war to win it, or get out. If political decisions are going to override the commanders in the field, than it is time to go.

If Kerry speaks to his stellar record, and speaks from his heart with conviction, candor and passion, he can beat the living shit out of that f**king asshole that masquerades as a US President.

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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 07:26 PM
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1. hmmm..guess it's time for another
"frustrated" with Kerry thread. Guess it has been, oh, let's say 10 minutes since the last one:eyes:
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cidliz2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 07:38 PM
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7. Another "Freedom of Speech" NON Believer speaks
Funny, I thought that most of them were Republicans amd Communists.

Too bad that on the DEMOCRATIC Underground true Democratic open discussions aren't appreciated, valued and/or honored.

Open discussions mean more than one side to an issue.


Great points brought up by the poster. Kerry does need help communicating these points.
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 07:40 PM
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8. My point is
why doesn't the average voter know about these issues?

Why is my response more passionate than his.

I've been involved in campaigns before, granted at State Rep and City Council levels, but the candidate has a hell of a case to make.

No one, outside of DU, or the most committed Democrat knows about the BCCI scandal and Kerry's hard fight to expose it.

I'm not being negative. I think he is a great candidate, but his message is off.

Do you realize, and I'm out there working every day for Kerry, that the other side has made people think the war hero is a coward the the coward is the war hero?

They really think that John Kerry has no record in the Senate, do you realize that. I know Kerry's record, and I can recite it, but there is no way I can reach 75 million voters before November 2. (sarcasm).

Those of us that are making suggestions are doing so because we care, and refuse to paint a rosy picture for the sake of entertainment.

I know what's at stake, and all I'm saying is that John Kerry is not only deserving to be President because he is not Bush, but he is an excellent candidate in his own right. Somehow, the general public is not getting the message. Before I blame them, let's see if we can't improve on this message so we can all celebrate on November 2, and once again be proud of our government.
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cidliz2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 07:53 PM
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12. I agree with you
The person that citicized your post is who I responded to. You have every right to express your thoughts, opinions, concerns...

I applaud your efforts and your post was a great post in that it made some wonderful points.

Keep up the good work and above all utilize every American's right to "Freedom of Speech"
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 08:15 PM
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17. I know that
my reply says "reply to #1"

By the way, thanks for your support.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 09:10 PM
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19. As long as it's constructive criticism instead of fantasy, I don't mind
What really irks me is when people start popping out the fictional campaigns from parallel universes where anything can be true.

"Dean would be ahead by 30 points right now!" :puke:
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 06:34 AM
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20. kick
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 07:27 PM
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2. If you get a chance to see the Kerry Rallys you will see why he will win
Do NOT watch the "mainstream republican media"

Kerry's crowds are large, devoted, and committed

We are going to win. We are not being represented in the polls or by the media
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dumpster_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 07:28 PM
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3. probably Kerry just has less money for ads
You know the media aint gonna touch this kind of stuff. All Kerry can do is use ads, and I bet he has less money than Bush for ads.

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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 07:30 PM
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4. Kerry alluded to the banking scandal in his rally in CO today.
He didn't say much about it, but he did mention it in passing. It may be the whole not wanting to toot your own horn thing.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 07:38 PM
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6. why not?
bush blows his horn everyday.
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coloradodem2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 07:46 PM
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9. Do you really want to be like Bush?
He is a fucking idiot.
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 07:55 PM
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13. Come on
Edited on Fri Sep-17-04 07:56 PM by louis c
Every politician has to speak to his accomplishments and compare it to his or her opponent's failures.

When Kerry gets hit with the Repug line that he has no record in the Senate, his reply should be "I'd like to tell you, but i don't like to brag"?

Come on, give me a break.

BCCI is a huge accomplishment and dove tails great in the debate about terror. He exposed bin Laden family members to laundering money for terrorists as early as 1988.

That's not a winning issue for us? 1988, Kitty Kelley puts President Shit Head sticking Peruvian Flake up his f**king nose while our candidate is catching the bad guys.

People understand that. It's simple.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 07:57 PM
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14. Kerry has to show the people that...
Edited on Fri Sep-17-04 07:58 PM by sonicx
he can 'confront terra,' so why not talk it up?
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 08:13 PM
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16. Now you got it.
Edited on Fri Sep-17-04 08:13 PM by louis c
Did you know that bin Laden's brother in law was caught up in this scandal, along with Ollie North?

Just think about it. Iran-Contra. Iran=terrorists. Contra rebels=drugs. Afghan rebels fighting USSR=terrorists.

Kerry breaks the scandal, and he is silent about it in a Presidential election year in which terrorism is the number one issue.

Maybe I'm wrong, but this should be a big deal.

It not only make Kerry look good, but it links the Bush family, subliminally, to the Saudis.
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 07:48 PM
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10. Can you imagine if
Kerry told folks that he spearheaded the exposing of the BCCI scandal that scooped up bin Laden's brother-in-law while the Bush family was playing footsies with the House of Saud.

The whole time Kerry was fighting the funding of terrorism in the Senate, the first son was snorting lines at Camp David.

Who makes you feel safer.

I can't use that line until the Kerry campaign establishes the role he played in exposing BCCI.

I want to beat this bastard in the White House, but I need the Ammo, and many like me need it also.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 07:32 PM
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5. Compare;
Cheney 11-year record;

96th Congress: 4 Sponsored; 0 became Law

97th Congress: 4 Sponsored: 0 became Law

98th Congress: 8 Sponsored: 0 became Law

99th Congress: 7 Sponsored: 1 became Law

(H.R.1246 : A bill to establish a federally declared floodway for the Colorado River below Davis Dam.)

100th Congress: 7 Sponsored: 1 became Law

(H.R.712 : A bill for the relief of Lawrence K. Lunt.)

101st Congress: 1 Sponsored: 0 became Law

A total of 2 bills passed.

COMPARE:

Bill Frist, the Republican Majority Leader, has sponsored 88 bills in the 108th Congress and zero have become law.

In the 107th Congress, Frist sponsored 52 bills and 1 became law. It was a bill to authorize and urge the President to promote democracy in Zimbabwe.

COMPARE:

John Kerry; Bills either sponsored or co-sponsored thru the years

For the 108th Congress sponsored bills by Kerry had 48, for co-sponsored 436 have his name on it.

For the 107th Congress sponsored bills by Kerry 146, co-sponsored 467.

For the 106th Congress sponsored bills by Kerry 63, co-sponsored 473.

For the 105th Congress sponsored bills by Kerry 40, co-sponsored 268.

For the 104th Congress sponsored bills by Kerry 92, co-sponsored 233

58 bills passed into law.

http://kerry.senate.gov/bandwidth/issues/legislation.html#

http://www.aflcio.org/issuespolitics/politics/kerry_bills.cfm
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 08:08 PM
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15. I want to do more
than just say "Bush and Cheney are worse than our guys".

I want the campaign to show the hard work Kerry has done on issues that his home. Helping workers, breaking the BCCI scandal, a plan to end the war.

These are the issues that we need to "seal the deal".
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 07:49 PM
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11. In my humble opinion, his best case is exposing the neocons' horrific case
,...because we must face the reality that people have been subject to a combination of media blitz (as close to brain-washing as can be executed), long-term right-wing proganda,...and desperate survival towards an unreachable "American Dream" that has been advertised as representative of any hard-working, determined, law-abiding citizen.

His focus on what the American people deserve in comparison to a right-wing political body that implements policies for the privileged on the backs of the rest of us,...is not only real and true,...it's fucking inspiring.

WE DESERVE BETTER THAN RADICAL RIGHT-WING POWER-MONGERS!!!!

Of course,...that is just,...my opinion.
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louis c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 09:00 PM
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18. kick
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duhneece Donating Member (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 07:07 AM
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21. Thanks for the idea
Locally, I can ask B*** supporters which of the 'liberal' votes THEY oppose.
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