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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 08:22 AM
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Is Obama turning on us and towards his corporate friends?
Are you fucking kidding me?

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President Barack Obama is actively discouraging Senate Democrats in their effort to include a public insurance option with a state opt-out clause as part of health care reform. In its place, say multiple Democratic sources, Obama has indicated a preference for an alternative policy, favored by the insurance industry, which would see a public plan "triggered" into effect in the future by a failure of the industry to meet certain benchmarks.


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/24/leaderless-sen...

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  - Anything is Possible  atreides1   Oct-25-09 08:28 AM   #1 
  - I think, if this is true, "deceitful cowardice"...  SHRED   Oct-25-09 08:31 AM   #2 
  - Sentence here that I find laughable:  truedelphi   Oct-26-09 03:04 PM   #15 
  - My "hope" for change is at an all time low  SHRED   Oct-25-09 08:37 AM   #3 
     - so is mine.  joeycola   Oct-25-09 08:40 AM   #4 
     - Me three. n/t  Meshuga   Oct-25-09 01:38 PM   #11 
  - how many jobs are you likely to create and how much experience do you have in job creation?  stray cat   Oct-25-09 08:41 AM   #5 
  - His support for Wall Street does show a consistent pattern here as well. Let's hope Democrats win  quantass   Oct-25-09 08:45 AM   #6 
  - The article has a link to an ad made by Obama supporter in Maine imploring him to lead on the PO  flpoljunkie   Oct-25-09 08:53 AM   #7 
  - My comment was NO trigger please. Thanks for the heads up.  joeycola   Oct-25-09 09:28 AM   #8 
  - Wow...  BklnDem75   Oct-25-09 01:25 PM   #9 
  - I see you are part of the talking points brigade on this board  Go2Peace   Oct-25-09 01:47 PM   #12 
     - LOL!!!  BklnDem75   Oct-25-09 02:20 PM   #14 
  - I Get It - The Insurance Paid Hands Off My Health Care Folks Are FOR Obama!  TomCADem   Oct-25-09 01:28 PM   #10 
  - It's laughable how opinion about Harry Reid's competence has turned here at DU.  Scarsdale Vibe   Oct-25-09 02:02 PM   #13 
 
atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 08:28 AM
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1. Anything is Possible
Why is it so hard to believe that this president can't be manipulated or bought?

What makes him so super human that even the great Obama can resist the urge to give in?

He's human, and like all humans he's flawed!!!
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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 08:31 AM
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2. I think, if this is true, "deceitful cowardice"...
Edited on Sun Oct-25-09 08:33 AM by SHRED
...would be a better description.

But starting with not allowing Single-Payer advocates at the table and the backroom deals he made with Big Pharma...well...why am I surprised?

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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-26-09 03:04 PM
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15. Sentence here that I find laughable:
Edited on Mon Oct-26-09 03:05 PM by truedelphi
Administration officials say that Obama's preference for the trigger, which is backed by Maine Republican Senator Olympia Snowe, is founded in a fear that Reid's public option couldn't get the 60 votes needed to overcome a GOP filibuster.

Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/24/leaderless-sen...


If Obama had not wasted the nation's time by running around all summer meeting with the RW teabagger blockheads, and had instead defined a strong public option, and worked the phone, calling Senate and House members to insist on it, we would indeed have a good shot at a strong public option.

Someone needs to send the guy at 1600 Pennsylvannia Avenue a couple of books on LBJ and FDR. With all the parts about legislative passage and how to force it through a successful vote highlighted.





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SHRED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 08:37 AM
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3. My "hope" for change is at an all time low
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 08:40 AM
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4. so is mine.
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Meshuga Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 01:38 PM
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11. Me three. n/t
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 08:41 AM
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5. how many jobs are you likely to create and how much experience do you have in job creation?
unions without any employment don't help much - so I hope Obama is trying to do things that may help all sections of the economy. In terms of a strong public option - he doesn't seem to want it as much as most of us - he may have his reasons but up until now I haven't heard anything.
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 08:45 AM
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6. His support for Wall Street does show a consistent pattern here as well. Let's hope Democrats win
and F the WH if tihs is true.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 08:53 AM
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7. The article has a link to an ad made by Obama supporter in Maine imploring him to lead on the PO
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 09:28 AM
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8. My comment was NO trigger please. Thanks for the heads up.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 01:25 PM
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9. Wow...
I've never seen an article with so many unnamed sources. The only named source in the whole article is actually denying this report. After so many years of nameless sourced BS during the Bush years, I'm surprised so many are still falling for this crap. Ah well, panic more. My weekend has been pretty stress free. :beer:
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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 01:47 PM
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12. I see you are part of the talking points brigade on this board
Edited on Sun Oct-25-09 01:48 PM by Go2Peace
What is happening is obvious. Just look at what Schumer is talking about. HP is probably getting their information from staffers who are concerned but don't want to get fired. Is that so difficult to understand?

And what is with all the many different people posting the same talking point all over these boards. The easiest way to combat information coming out this way is for Obama to take a stronger leadership role.
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BklnDem75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 02:20 PM
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14. LOL!!!
And that makes you what? I see you got the 'leadership' meme going there. The usual fallback from the RW shills and Obama hate parade. What's with this fixation to have Obama jump in front of the camera every time a 'sourceless' article disputes his stance? You know you're entering Birther territory when you place the burden of proof on Obama for every wild claim thrown out there. HP is getting their sources where they always get em from. Straight out of their asses. Come back when you have a CREDIBLE source. Preferably one with a name.
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TomCADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 01:28 PM
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10. I Get It - The Insurance Paid Hands Off My Health Care Folks Are FOR Obama!
Rachel Maddow had it all wrong!

:rofl:
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Scarsdale Vibe Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-25-09 02:02 PM
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13. It's laughable how opinion about Harry Reid's competence has turned here at DU.
All of a sudden, he's a miracle worker that can keep the most venal and pig disgusting Democrats on board for the most important legislation in decades. Harry Reid's pressure on conservative Democrats does not come close to equaling the pressure from an industry that makes hundreds of billions of dollars a year and a Republican party that could create the biggest political turning point in memory just by getting one vote on cloture. If health care reform dies so does the progressive agenda.

The bills that have been passed out of committee would drastically improve the lives of the uninsured, the underinsured, and the hundreds of thousands that go bankrupt from medical bills each year. But we're going to throw all of that away on the shibboleth of the public option because it's more important to limit insurance industry profits than it is to actually help the poor and the sick. The strategic stupidity of the Democratic base never ceases to amaze.
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