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PinkOwl Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 12:58 PM
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USA Today/Gallup Poll: Most don't think Obama deserved Nobel award
Most Americans do not believe President Obama should have won the Nobel Peace Prize, and are divided on whether the award is a good thing, according to a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll.

Sixty-one percent of respondents said Obama did not deserve to win the prize announced on Oct. 9, according to the poll; 34% said he did deserve the honor.

When asked if they were personally glad that Obama won the award, 46% said they were and 47% said they were not glad.


Citing this poll, progressive blogger Glenn Greenwald today criticizes the approach taken by the DNC in the wake of the award:

The accusation that those who criticized the award were being un-American, standing with the Terrorists, and/or breaching common decency wasn't "hard-ball politics." It was bullying and dumb, and if nothing else demonstrates that, this polling data should. The call for Democrats to replicate the tactics of the Right is the height of irrationality given how failed those tactics have proven to be. Why would someone think it's wise to embrace the defining tactics of a political movement that has been stomped, repudiated and crushed? Depicting Democrats as unpatriotic Terrorist-lovers was the central Rovian tactic when the GOP was mauled in the 2006 election. Who would look at those results and want the Democrats to copy those methods? In general, the political faction that controls all levers of government should refrain from trying to de-legitimize the questioning or criticizing of the leader as Terrorist-sympathizing America-hating: both out of principle and political shrewdness.
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:00 PM
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1. Not suprising. I'm a supporter and I think it's a kinda weak case. n/t
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:04 PM
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5. Same here. Speeches just aren't enough. I'm confident he would have earned it. nt
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:33 PM
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17. given some time, yes. but not now
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:58 PM
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41. The case was strong and justified to those who read the reasons. No one matched his progress this yr
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:00 PM
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2. Who cares, seriously?! The American's had no say in who wins.
He was picked, moving on. I sincerely don't care when someting is completely out of the hands of everyone. Obama certainly had no say in what was done and he was as shocked as everyone else. Personally I think he did deserve it...but seriously it's neither here nor there.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:02 PM
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4. Exactly. It is not like he actively tried to campaign for it.
Honestly, there are just some people who want something to criticize Obama about.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:05 PM
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6. That's right. I think it took him by surprise. I think he was a little embarassed. nt
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:17 PM
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9. I certainly don't care what those people think who just. don't. get. it.
I had dinner with a group of women last night who all got it and it was a wonderful night of camraderie.

More than a few others got it too..

"Get Off Obama's Back ...second thoughts from Michael Moore"

Who goes on to say at the end..

"My prediction for the future? You become the first two-time winner of the Nobel Peace Prize!, Yeah!"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


"Ten reasons Obama won the Nobel"

"Before he became president -- Obama forcefully argued, at great political risk, that the U.S. should talk to its enemies (famously, in a debate with John McCain). He convinced a majority of Americans, and that is now U.S. foreign policy.

January 22 - On his second day in office, Obama announced plans to close Guantanamo in a year. He has made great diplomatic efforts to find residences for innocent detainees, even as fearmongers accused him of wanting to release terrorists in America.

February 27 - Obama details his plans to pull out of Iraq. He made his speech in front of uniformed Marines and explained that combat troops would be out by 2010.

March 13 - Obama Justice department drops 'enemy combatants' label on detainees, marking a return to the Geneva Conventions.

April 5 - Outlines details of nuclear weapons reductions plan in a speech to the public in Prague. The plan calls for intense international diplomacy and a respect for the right of fledgling countries to enrich uranium for energy purposes, proposing an international nuclear fuel-bank for those aims. All this was in the face of North Korean long-range missile testing.

April 13 - Repeals restrictions on Cuban Americans, allowing them to visit home as long as they want and to send money. Also allows telecommunications companies to pursue agreements in Cuba, hoping to promote communcation. This is the boldest move towards peace with Cuba any president has made in over 40 years.

June 4 - Obama makes landmark speech in Cairo, in which he quotes three different holy texts and speaks Arabic. Again, at tremendous political risk at home, Obama makes empassioned tribute to the achiements of the Muslim world and admits U.S. role in overthrow of Iranian government, attempting to create environment of honesty, respect, and cooperation.

June 27 - The U.S. begins removal of combat troops from major cities in Iraq.

July 6 - Obama heads to Russia to speak with Russian president about nuclear arms reduction. He makes a speech at a Russian University, notably saying, "There is the 20th century view that United States and Russia are destined to be antagonists. And that a strong Russia or a strong America can only assert themselves in opposition to one another. And there is a 19th century view, that we are destined to vie for spheres of influence and that great powers must forge competing blocs to balance on another. These assumptions are wrong. In 2009, a great power does not show strength by dominating or demonishing other countries. The days when empires could treat sovereign states as pieces on a chessboard are over."

Sept 24 - In a first for a U.S. president, Obama presides over a U.N. Security Council summit, where members unanimously agreed to a sweeping strategy to stop the spread of and ultimately eliminate nuclear weapons"

http://brainsandeggs.blogspot.com/2009/10/ten-reasons-o...

Oh, here's some more on PO getting the NPP..

sandnsea (1000+ posts) Wed Oct-14-09 04:27 PM
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"Nobel Committee Head Asks "Who Did More?"

Yesterday, four of the five members of the Nobel Committee responded to the largely U.S. controversy over the selection of President Obama as this year�s recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize. The question we have to ask�, said Thorbjoern Jagland, head of the Committee, "is who has done the most in the previous year to enhance peace in the world, and who has done more than Barack Obama?

In fact, world leaders and past Nobel winners have reacted positively, with the Committee noting that "much of the criticism is coming from the media and Obamas political rivals." I take note of it. My response is only the judgment of the committee, which was unanimous, Jagland said. Aagot Valle, another of the five panelists said of critics: Where do these people come from?"

Alfred Nobel, a Swedish arms manufacturer and the inventor of dynamite, stipulated in his 1895 will that much of his vast fortune be used to establish five prizes, one of which was to go to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between the nations and the abolition or reduction of standing armies and the formation and spreading of peace congresses.

Mr. Jagland said the committee considered a record pool of 205 nominations and had several candidates until the last minute, but it became more obvious that we couldnt get around these deep changes that are taking place under Mr. Obama.

Perhaps what his US detractors really find unfair is the complete repudiation of the foreign policy of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, et al. In order to understand the movement towards peace that President Obama has made, you must first accept the catastrophic trajectory of endless war that we were on. And while many justify his actions because of September 11, the truth is his administration put us on that path early in 2001 as he rejected the 1972 ABM Treaty in May of 2001 and announced his intention to begin nuclear testing as early as June 2001. His disengagement from almost all international institutions only accelerated after 9/11, which doesn't even include the horrific acts associated with the Iraq War or the massive number of suppressed and altered reports on everything from Abu Ghraib to climate change.

Contrast that with the movement made by President Obama, and the decision of the Nobel Committee becomes insightful and lucid. As Mr. Jagland said, Can someone tell me who did more than him this year? It is difficult to name a winner of the peace prize who is more in line with Alfred Nobels will."

So just what is it that Barack Obama has done to move the world towards peace?

(Hat Tip to w8ghtliftinglady and her LTTE)

Jan 21 Met with military leaders to instruct engage in additional planning necessary to execute a responsible military drawdown from Iraq with a final plan detailed on Feb 27 wherein combat troops would be removed by Aug 2010 with 35,000-50,000 support troops remaining until 2011.
Jan. 22, Appointed a Special Envoy for Middle East peace;
Jan. 22, Review and Disposition of Individuals Detained at the Guantanamo Bay Naval Base and Closure of Detention Facilities
Jan. 22, Revoked Executive Order 13440 of July 20,2007 and ordered that all interrogatiwill comply with the Geneva Conventions and Army Field Manual, ordered the CIA to close as expeditiously as possible any detentifacilities that it currently operates and shall not operate any such detentifacility in the future, established a Special Task Force Interrogatiand Transfer Policies to review interrogatiand transfer policies.
Jan. 23, Lifted "Global Gag Rule", instantly improving the health of billions of women and children around the world
Jan. 26, Signed Energy Independence and Security Act, addressing climate change and increasing fuel standards for automobiles;
Feb. 5, Required Dept of Energy to implement 2005 appliance and equipment standards and implement deadlines for equipment standards in the 2007 Energy Act.
Feb. 25, Joined 140 nations in signing a UN legally-binding pact to cut toxic mercury emissions.
Mar 30 Appointed special envoy to Sudan to explore peace talks in Darfur
April 1 Negotiated framework for the United States and Russia to lay the groundwork for a follow-up treaty to further reduce nuclear weapons stockpiles and signed a Joint Understanding in Sept that defines the reduction goals.
April 2, Led G20 response to the global economic crisis obtaining commitments of $1.1 trillion
April 4, Renewed dialog with NATO and other key allies gaining support for Afghan strategy
April 5, Historic Praque speech when he announced new strategy to responsible address international nuclear proliferatiand commitment to American ratificatiof the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty and a nuclear free world
April 12 Ordered rescue of Capt. Richard Phillips from Somali pirates without creating an international incident.
April 13 Lifted travel and remittance restrictions for Cuban families, establish fiber optic and satellite communications and equipment export, increased eligible humanitarian donations.
May 8, Proposed International Affairs budget that included funds to create a civilian response corps teams of civilian experts in rule of law, policing, transitional governance, economics, engineering, and other areas critical to helping rebuild war-torn societies; Provide $40 million for a �stabilization bridge fund, which would provide rapid response funds for the State Department to help stabilize a crisis situation.
June 4, Historic address to the Muslim World in Cairo following historic interview with Al Arabiya in January, making clear that �American is not at war with Islam� while challenging the Middle East to take concrete steps towards peace.
June 12 Removed Marxist-Leninist designation from Cambodia and Laos
June 17 Ordered federal benefits be extended to all gay federal employees wherever currently legal to do so, setting an international precedent in gay rights.
July 6 Presidents Obama and Medvedev agreed to create a new strategic framework for military-to-military engagement between the United States and the Russian Federation, agreed to a new, comprehensive, legally binding agreement on reducing and limiting strategic offensive arms to replace the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty (START), which expires on December 5, 2009 and agreed to create a Bilateral Presidential Commission, which will be coordinated by Secretary of State Clinton and Foreign Minister Lavrov, with working groups on issues ranging from agriculture to energy to space cooperation and cultural exchanges.
Aug. 4, Used all diplomatic resources available to free two American journalists from a North Korea prison.
Aug 18 Joined with Canada and Mexico in a Declaration on Climate Change and Clean Energy which commits the three countries to alternative energy advancements as well as developing a grid to transport renewable energy among the three countries.
Sept. 18 Announced a new phased, adaptive approach for missile defense in Europe prompting Russia to withdraw its missile plan.
Sept 24 Set the world on a path of ending subsidies for fossil fuels at the G20 meeting in Pittsburgh.
Sept 24 Chaired historic meeting of the United Nations Security Council with all 15 nations signing Nuclear Weapons Resolution 1887 which will rid the world of nuclear weapons and materials, signed Joint Understanding with Russia.


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harkadog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 03:45 PM
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51. Why did you leave off Afghanistan?
The Iraq timetable was announced by Gates in July, 2008 before Obama was even elected.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 05:04 PM
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63. We are dealing with violent folks
Edited on Thu Oct-22-09 05:07 PM by Hutzpa
who will rather kill than help.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 04:42 PM
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60. truly. I really couldnt care less what anyone thinks about that.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:02 PM
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3. 47% are not glad?
Why? Why are they not glad?

What a bunch of idiots. I can see wondering if he deserves it, but to not be glad over it?

Bitter and pathetic souls.
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OneTenthofOnePercent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 05:29 PM
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66. Winning an undeserved award diminished the value of such an award.
It just so happens the Nobel Peace prize is a pretty big thing...
I can understand people not wanting it's image and value tarnished.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 07:09 PM
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72. That horse left the barn with Henry Kissinger, War Criminal.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:07 PM
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7. Nobel Peace Prize: it's their award, their criteria for a winner, they get to choose.
Most can think that the movie that won the Oscar for Best Picture didn't deserve it either, but it's too bad, so sad.

That being said, I bet that Obama really wishes that the award had gone to someone else at this time.
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harkadog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 03:47 PM
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53. No one forces you to take it.
It has been declined by winners in the past.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 04:03 PM
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56. To be real, I wouldn't think that Obama would refuse it in a million years
even if he believed he did not deserve it.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:13 PM
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8. And once again Glenn Greenwald misses the point--or he didn't read
the DNC press release closely enough.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:20 PM
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11. AFAIC, glen greenwald always
misses the mark.

I remember him after it was first awarded to PO..glen was acting like a jealous prick.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:29 PM
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15. No, I think he just took the press release personally--when it wasn't directed
at him.

It was directed at every shitknob in the Republican Party who forced the "DEMMYCRATS IS ANTI-AMURKIN" meme down our throats for eight goddamn years. The GOP HAD thrown in their lot with Iran and Al Qaeda in their celebration of Obama's failures and their booing of his triumphs.

Glenn thinks we should turn the other cheek, but that hasn't worked out real well for us. So I have no problem with force-feeding Republicans some of the same shit-flavored medicine they made us choke down for Bush's two terms.
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PinkOwl Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:23 PM
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30. The DNC's did not claim they were highlighting hypocrisy in the original statement
Edited on Thu Oct-22-09 02:23 PM by PinkOwl
The DNC simply asserted that the Republicans were siding with the Taliban, without mentioning the fact that Republicans used to link Democrats to terrorists. Some people simply guess that the DNC was trying to pay them back. But that's simply an assumption.

The DNC has not retracted its statement.
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Robb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 05:13 PM
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65. Glenn? Is that you again?
Really, stick to your own blog. We're more than a little tired of you over here. :rofl:
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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 07:05 PM
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69. It doesn't have anything to do with turning the other cheek. He's saying
it was bad when the Republicans used it and it's bad when the DNC uses it. I agree with him.

HE is consistent, many here are not.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:20 PM
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10. Glenn Greenwald is "concerned" again?
Be still my heart.
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Kind of Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:20 PM
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12. Obama must be doing something right for
Edited on Thu Oct-22-09 01:36 PM by Kind of Blue
them to come up with this poll :rofl:
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quantass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:24 PM
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13. What a waste of a Poll...I mean seriously, this Poll has absolutely no practical value.
Let's do a Poll on Bo the WH dog and see what America thinks of type of water he laps up via the toilet or in the doggy bowl.

Waste of money, paper, and my time reading it.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:25 PM
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14. I'm sorry that so many Americans are basically H.U.A...
"Head's Up Ass"

I've been embarrassed on more than one occasion when in another country.

Loud, shallow, materialistic, and not engaged in world events, really.

Products of the media, the poll results do not surprise me.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:29 PM
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34. Precisely! The corporatemediawhoredom
does not do their job so why would the average American know everything that PO's had done even before he got elected to work towards World Peace?

Yeah, I'm talking World Peace baby..that's what PO's goin' for.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:40 PM
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39. Oh Yeah, Baby... That's one to Bookmark!
:toast:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:30 PM
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35. Dupity dupe.
Edited on Thu Oct-22-09 02:31 PM by Cha
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:38 PM
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38. My favorite expression for the american problem
We got our collective heads up our asses and don't know how to join the rest of the human race.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:33 PM
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16. Who gives a shit? He's got it. Those who have an issue with it
are wasting their time.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:35 PM
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18. Leave it to Lord High Douchenozzle Greenwald
Edited on Thu Oct-22-09 01:35 PM by WeDidIt
to immediately respond to this stupid shit.

:eyes:

I wonder when Lord Privy Douchenozzle Sirota will weigh in?
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:36 PM
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19. Hmmph... Gallup is now certifiably unreliable
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:40 PM
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20. He has a point about the DNC response. They sunk to repug status on that one.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 01:55 PM
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21. The DNC stated the facts..is that reprick status?
Quit whining about the DNC.

Just sent them a donation :dem:
https://www.democrats.org/page/contribute?source=NETA45...
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:04 PM
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23. Behaving like Repugs is not smart.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:13 PM
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26. The DNC is not "behaving like repugs"..they're stating facts..
Something the asshole republicons never do.
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:19 PM
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28. IMHO they behaved like Repugs.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:22 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. Yeah, I've seen your "opinions".
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joeycola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:27 PM
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33. Have a nice day.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:32 PM
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36. I'm having the best day.
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PinkOwl Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #26
31. What is the "fact" you are referring to? n/t
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 03:00 PM
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42. I'd like to know also...
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #42
46. It's right there in the OP:
"...those who criticized the award were being un-American, standing with the Terrorists, and/or breaching common decency..." Rush Limbaugh SAID that HE and "everybody" agreed with the Taliban that Obama didn't deserve the Nobel Peace Prize. :shrug:
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PinkOwl Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #46
57. Bin Laden thought the Iraq war was "unjust"
Edited on Thu Oct-22-09 04:09 PM by PinkOwl
The DNC statement occured before Limbaugh said what he said. How did they know? And is it then ok for Republicans to say we side with terrorists whenever some terrorists agree with us that a war in a Muslim cuontry is unjust?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 08:33 PM
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73. Bin Laden LOVED that we went into Iraq because we took the focus off HIM.
And the DNC said that "those who criticized the award were being un-American, standing with the Terrorists, and/or breaching common decency..." This is about our president winning the Nobel Peace Prize-it's nothing more than an honor for our president and country. Anyone who criticizes that is NOT equal to people criticizing a WAR which was started under false pretenses.
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PinkOwl Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #73
75. He loved it because you said so?
Edited on Thu Oct-22-09 09:17 PM by PinkOwl
Bin Laden warned the US not to get into Iraq:
America is working on dragging the world towards a great catastrophe by insisting on launching an unjust aggression on Iraq


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2751765.stm

Those who claim he loved the fact that we were in Iraq don't quote him directly. Did he feel emboldened by it? Yes.
But Bin Laden doesn't like it when big powers invade Muslim countries. That's why he fought the Russians and in the case of the heinous terrorist acts of 9-11, his motivations were the Iraq war in the early 90's and the American presence in Saudi Arabia.

When someone attacks you for invading X country, he's angry, not in love with that invasion.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:04 PM
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22. the DNC statement has nothing to do with that poll
they were talking about political opponents of Obama who criticized the award being given to our president, for political reasons.

The people answering that poll were expressing their sincere opinion about the award. Obama himself said that he didn't deserve it. The DNC was obviously not saying Obama is siding with the terrorists, and they're not saying the Americans answering that poll are siding with the terrorists.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:07 PM
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24. From the average americans perspective I can see why, but from the worlds perspective
he deserved it.
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:12 PM
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25. So ... they agree with Obama himself then?
I love how everyone kicking and screaming about this forgets that Obama himself said that he didn't "deserve" it and accepted it as a call to action regardless of why the committee awarded it to him.
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PinkOwl Donating Member (72 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:26 PM
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32. Most Obama supporters here disagree with Obama
Don't you think?
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NYC Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 04:20 PM
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58. I think most people here understand what Obama said
That he deserved it not necessarily for what he has achieved as president but for the change he has already brought (even by the simple fact that he as a black man was elected in this country) - as per the committee. He also takes it as a call to action.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:16 PM
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27. Doesn't Greenwald know that Rush Limbaugh said he and "everybody" agrees with the TALIBAN that
Obama didn't deserve the prize?
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:38 PM
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37. But most don't understand
Edited on Thu Oct-22-09 02:42 PM by moondust
that it is not always awarded strictly for past performance.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 02:44 PM
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40. Bono gets it..
<snip>

"Rock star Bono on Sunday praised Barack Obama for helping "re-brand" the United States as a leading force in combating the world's most pressing problems, and deemed the president's controversial Nobel Peace prize deserved.

In an article Sunday in The New York Times, the U2 rocker and rights activist praised Obama's dedication to "the eradication of extreme poverty in our time," as well as Obama's commitment to "fighting nuclear proliferation and climate change, improving relations in the Middle East and, by the way, creating jobs and providing health care at home."

And the world-famous singer said the US president is the central figure in the "re-branding" of the American image to one of hope, optimism and action.

"I will venture to say that in the farthest corners of the globe, the president's words are more than a pop song people want to hear on the radio. They are lifelines," he said.

"The world sees that America might just hold the keys to solving the three greatest threats we face on this planet: extreme poverty, extreme ideology and extreme climate change.

"The world senses that America, with renewed global support, might be better placed to defeat this axis of extremism with a new model of foreign policy," he wrote.

On the issue of the Nobel Peace Prize, which critics decried as undeserved or premature, the Irish rocker offered a different view.

"The president said that he considered the peace prize a call to action. And in the fight against extreme poverty, it's action, not intentions, that counts," wrote the singer, who has campaigned to get wealthy nations to step up donations to a global fund to fight AIDS, tuberculosis and malaria.

"The Nobel Peace Prize is the rest of the world saying, 'Don't blow it'."

He also praised the president's top advisors from Vice President Joe Biden to Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to National Security Advisor James Jones as a "dream team" and underscored European dumbfoundedness that the US president is not more greatly appreciated by his own countrymen.

"There's a sense in some quarters of these not-so-United States that Norway, Europe and the world haven't a clue about the real President Obama -- instead, they fixate on a fantasy version of the president, a projection of what they hope and wish he is, and what they wish America to be," Bono wrote.

"I think the man might deserve the hype," he said.

http://www.alternet.org/rss/breaking_news/95806/obama_d ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 03:07 PM
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43. Who cares? It's a moot point - get over it! n/t
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 03:08 PM
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44. Maybe but anyone that is burning up an iota of energy worrying about it
is probably an asshole. Might not be but probably.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 03:48 PM
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54. ...and probably isn't getting enough enjoyment out of life
:rofl:
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 03:09 PM
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45. And that comes as a surprise to anyone?
Edited on Thu Oct-22-09 03:10 PM by Beacool
Good intentions are not the same as actions. The Nobel Committee jumped the gun on this one and awarded it too soon.

;)
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 03:15 PM
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48. He won it for giving the world hope, for reaching out to the Muslim world,
trying to reduce nuclear weapons around the world, etc.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 03:46 PM
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52. It has such a nice ring to it:
Nobel Laureate, Nobel Laureate, Nobel Laureate.

:hi:
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 03:11 PM
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47. Tough! n/t
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 03:16 PM
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49. It's frightening that so many defend the DNC on this one.
Greenwald is clearly right. The statement was at least dumb.
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Obamacare Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 03:34 PM
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50. Why even conduct a poll like this?
Shouldn't we just be happy that our President won a NPP? If this was Bush in his first term the media wouldn't have made such a federal case out of a president winning a NPP, they would've cheered him on and if anyone criticized him for winning it they would've been declared unamerican. He won so get over it already!!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 04:53 PM
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61. Greenwald can whine forever
but it's not going to change anything.

The DNC got it right and President Obama won the NPP.
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Vattel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 05:32 PM
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67. Awarding Obama the prize wasn't dumb.
The DNC's statement was dumb. I could defend that claim, but it is so obvious that defending it would be pointless.
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Moochy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 04:58 PM
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62. Frightening ? Perhaps... but..
only if you have not been paying attention to this site since January. Get over it and have some pom poms!
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 09:04 PM
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74. Yeah, we're a Democratic site where
a lot of the members support the President..it's too bad if some can't handle it.

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seaglass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 07:08 PM
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70. It's the NEW and IMPROVED DU. n/t
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harkadog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 03:52 PM
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55. They should conduct a poll of the people of Afghanistan
I wonder if they think he would deserve it.
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 04:23 PM
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59. Doesn't matter one flying fuck what Americans do or don't think about it.
It was never America's decision to make.

He won it, because the Nobel Committee chose him.

Period.

So suck it the fuck up, America.

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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 05:07 PM
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64. I'm not surprise the slightest
come to think of it, the day Obama won the Nobel peace prize was the day
America bomb the moon. Most American men are becoming more violent
than compassionate, think of the poll being touted around on sending
more troops to Afghanistan, then on the other hand they are fighting health
care with vigorous duplicity to prevent helping their next door neighbor
instead of extending an helping hand.

This is the new America Obama inherited.
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rufus dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 06:21 PM
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68. I don't think W deserved to be President
After Obama wins 8 Nobel prizes we can call it even.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 07:08 PM
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71. Like Americans to this extent know anything about the Nobel prizes.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 09:18 PM
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76. And most didn't think we deserved the win the olympics site for 2016.....
so what else is news? :shrug:
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 09:41 PM
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77. Now they should conduct a poll on whether they think Beyonce should have gotten Taylor Swift's award
Since Obama had as much a hand in that as in the Nobel Prize committee selection.
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-22-09 09:44 PM
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78. Most people don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. nfm
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wakemeupwhenitsover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-23-09 08:36 AM
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79. Locking.
The OP was banned as a repeat bannee.

best,
wakemeupwhenitsover

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