Now I have a question.. and I hope I am not seeing things that are not there..

[Peacetrain]

I have been listening the last few days about how much the Medical lobbies have contributed to the Democrats.. which is just 180 of what they used to do.

http://mediamattersaction.org/factcheck/200906110008

When the President ran for office, he also ran on reducing the power lobbyists have.

Why would the medical lobby, so staunchly republican suddenly start giving to Democrats??


Makes me go hmmmmmm, because now we are hearing that the democrats are in the pockets of the medical lobbyists..

I smell a set up!

I smell a setup by the corporate right against democrats..This is just too too easy to suddenly stick the democrats with the sins of the past 30 years by the republicans. Turd Blossom is in the mix, I bet you a dollar

Edit to add link

[katandmoon]

1. Obama actually *hearts* lobbyists

He just said a lot of crap to get elected.

[Peacetrain]

6. I disagree with you on that.

The K street people are fighting tooth and nail to keep their power.

[Hutzpa]

15. Pee

I think that poster was being sarcastic....:-)

[katandmoon]

24. Substantiate that with facts and figures, please

[cliffordu]

16. Substantiate that with some facts and figures, please.

[Autumn]

2. I hope we are both seeing

things that are not there, but they are giving the Dems a LOT of money now. That is why I have been on a roller coaster on the health care reform. Sometimes I am sure we will get it, then I am sure they have sold us out. It is enough to make one crazy.:crazy:

[Peacetrain]

8. When you look at that table.. and suddenly FOX is wanting to start an

investigation of the Democrats and their money. Something is just not right.

[jeanpalmer]

25. This has to have been a campaign contribution bonanza

the way they've strecthed out the debate over months, feinting one way and then the other, pretty much signaling to the lobbyists that it could either way, depending....

[Autumn]

27. Who gives them

the most money? We are only good for the votes and pocket change. Until we have campaign finance reform they will forget about us right after any election and go back to their true constituents , AKA the lobbyists.

[bigbrother05]

3. A lobbist will put money in the pockets of anyone that could help him

They always hedge their bets with those they perceive as having the power. The question is how much real power they are allowed to wield and who really is doing their bidding.

It's all the unseen influence that has been the most corrupting. Knowing who is owned by whom will help to clarify who to trust.

[scheming daemons]

4. Lobbyists tend to funnel their money to those with power... Repugs have none right now....

[Peacetrain]

5. Just so crazy.. that the medicals lobbies would start funneling to the Democrats

I think the knowledge that Obama would get the office, and a way to curtail his plans in the future. It is rovian in scope, if you think about it.

[Brickbat]

7. Lobbyists always back those who can help them. It's a rare one that sticks to just one party.

[Peacetrain]

9. Suddenly after 15 years... hmmmmmm

http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000068

[Brickbat]

10. Hmmmmm...what?

They back the ones they think are going to win.

ETA: If I read you correctly, you're saying the AMA's lobbying armed backed Republicans for the last 15 years because they knew those moves in health care would fail and by supporting Democrats in 2008, they could pin the failures of health-care reform on the Democrats? That's way out there.

[Kablooie]

11. Nope. But you can't expect lobbyists to suddenly disappear.

They are going to be there and will push themselves into where ever there is power.
They will even push into where there is no power because they know that the power will change someday.

Obama has to work within the system to change the system. He can't just throw everything out.

But have patience. Things can slowly shift.

[27inCali]

21. deleted outburst of nuttiness

[DevonRex]

22. WTF is wrong with you. Delete this immediately. I mean NOW.

[27inCali]

23. you're right

anger is getting the better of me, like a lot of us right now.

I fear that we will wake up one day to find the continent our ancestors sweat and worked, fought and bled for stripped from us by these corporate bastards all because we didn't have the guts to see it for what it is: our country is being taken from us because we don't have the guts to push back in a meaningful way.

By voting against PO, they are dooming innocent people to death, they actually are KILLING people -that's REALITY- my question is, what would you do to save millions of innocent lives? What would be going to far to accomplish that? At what point is our Republic so completely undermined by fascist corporate interest that the only option left is a full out rebellion?

[mopinko]

12. ding ding ding

i think you hit the nail right on the head. i would like to see the numbers. and you know what, i bet they did that when clinton was in also. i bet there is a tidy pattern of spikes every 4 years.

[quantass]

13. When money is on the table it doesnt matter if u are Democrat/Repub...they'll take it

..and the lobbyists know this. Democrats may have idealogies to fight for the people but when adding more zeros to the end of those checks get more numerous it is no surprise that they may take a second look. Hence, the blue dogs. What makes it difficult for democrats compared with republicans is that they must balance their marriage with the people while trying to have a secret affair with lobbyists....its a balancing act where if they get blatantly caught they pay the price....republicans dont have that problem. So democrats will wheel and deal behind the scenes and "water" things down....if its an important critical issue (which involves lots of money that can be made by corporations in some way) the bill will almost always be watered down if passed. This is just my take at the patterns i've seen over the few years i've watched politics.

Campaign finance reform is the 1st and critical requirement before anything else should be accomplished. Until then, i will never be surprised to hear that democrats are being wooed by lobbyists...it is just part of nature.

[Thrill]

14. Because Republicans are irrelevant. Democrats are the only ones

That can stop legislation. Thats whats happening now

[Hutzpa]

17. I'll go with Turd Blossom

they are on the last leg of fighting a losing battle so they're throwing everything including
the whole house with two car garage.

[rucky]

18. Because they throw cash at the party in power. n/t

[polichick]

19. Nobody forces politicians to accept money from lobbyists...

And nobody forces politicians to accept high-paying jobs as lobbyists when they leave Congress.

[Orsino]

20. Why is this puzzling?

Lobbyists always focus on bang for their bucks. The majority party will naturally be targeted, and Dems are almost as easy to buy, it seems.

[Honeycombe8]

26. They give to whoever is in power. That is the only way that they can possibly GET

anything. It doesn't mean they WILL get anything. But they always give to the party in power.

BTW, they STILL give to the other party, too. It's called "covering your bases."

[Armstead]

28. Naw...It's just old fashioned Corruption