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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 07:41 PM
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Kerry's plan for Iraq, pre war:
First, destroying al Qaeda and other anti-American terror groups must remain our top priority. While the Administration has largely prosecuted this war with vigor, it also has made costly mistakes. The biggest, in my view, was their reluctance to translate their robust rhetoric into American military engagement in Afghanistan. They relied too much on local warlords to carry the fight against our enemies and this permitted many al Qaeda members, and according to evidence, including Osama bin Laden himself, to slip through our fingers. Now the Administration must redouble its efforts to track them down. And we need to pressure Pakistan to get control of its territories along the Afghanistan border, which have become a haven for terrorists.

Second, without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. We all know the litany of his offenses. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. He miscalculated an eight-year war with Iran. He miscalculated the invasion of Kuwait. He miscalculated America's response to that act of naked aggression. He miscalculated the result of setting oil rigs on fire. He miscalculated the impact of sending scuds into Israel and trying to assassinate an American President. He miscalculated his own military strength. He miscalculated the Arab world's response to his misconduct. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. That is why the world, through the United Nations Security Council, has spoken with one voice, demanding that Iraq disclose its weapons programs and disarm.

So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real, but it is not new. It has been with us since the end of the Persian Gulf War. Regrettably the current Administration failed to take the opportunity to bring this issue to the United Nations two years ago or immediately after September 11th, when we had such unity of spirit with our allies. When it finally did speak, it was with hasty war talk instead of a coherent call for Iraqi disarmament. And that made it possible for other Arab regimes to shift their focus to the perils of war for themselves rather than keeping the focus on the perils posed by Saddam's deadly arsenal. Indeed, for a time, the Administration's unilateralism, in effect, elevated Saddam in the eyes of his neighbors to a level he never would have achieved on his own, undermining America's standing with most of the coalition partners which had joined us in repelling the invasion of Kuwait a decade ago.

In U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441, the United Nations has now affirmed that Saddam Hussein must disarm or face the most serious consequences. Let me make it clear that the burden is resoundingly on Saddam Hussein to live up to the ceasefire agreement he signed and make clear to the world how he disposed of weapons he previously admitted to possessing. But the burden is also clearly on the Bush Administration to do the hard work of building a broad coalition at the U.N. and the necessary work of educating America about the rationale for war. As I have said frequently and repeat here today, the United States should never go to war because it wants to, the United States should go to war because we have to. And we don't have to until we have exhausted the remedies available, built legitimacy and earned the consent of the American people, absent, of course, an imminent threat


http://www.truthout.com/docs_02/012503A.kerry.no.rush.htm

This speech does not differ from Kerry's floors speech in the Senate before voting on the use of force authorization, his op ed articles in Septemener 2002, and January 2003. And it is the same as the sapeech he just gave before the National Guard.

Kerry clearly saw that Al Qaeda was our biggest threat, and his plans made AL Qaeda and Osama first priority. Then and only then Saddam, and to go after Saddam after getting as much international support as possible.

I do not know why the Kerry campaign does not give a list of Kerrys speeches on Iraq and terrorism in chronological order, and show the consistancy of Kerry's ideas about Iraq, in order to get rid ot the accusations that he has flip-flopped on Iraq and Terrorism, as well as the accusations that he had and has no plan. It is cleart from the record, that Kerry has had a consistant plan, which if it had been followed would have us considerably safer from terrorism than the Bush adminstration has made us, as under Kerry's plan, the odds that Osama and his lieutenants being in custody at this point would be far greater. Osama is still fre to pursue other sources of WMD's to attack the U.S. with. Not only will he not get them from Saddam, he would not have been able to given the curret reports.

It would have been wiser and safer to pursue those who were seeking out the WMD's and who would have used them.They can still seek them and use them.

As Kerry indicated, Saddam could have waited. Osama should not have.

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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 07:45 PM
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1. Well, Halleluia !
Edited on Sat Sep-18-04 07:48 PM by Kerryfan
I have been saying this for about a month. Glad someone with some moxi is finally getting the message out.

And Kerry should challenge Bush to compare his war statements now with his speech before UN and his cause for war document sent to Congress and then we will see who the flip-flopper is.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 08:05 PM
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5. My concern again
Is that while Kerry is poiting out that what he is saying now is consistant with what he has been saying all along, Kerry has not presented the American public with an accurate history of his consistant plan at all.

Given Kerry's ideas, the Al Qaeda would have been pursued, and all its leaders perhaps captured, if the "course had been stayed" in Afghanistan, rather than having been dropped. Bin Laden and Al Zawahari were boxed into a ten mile square area when Bush decided to leave the hunt for them in the hands of the tribal warlords of Afghanistan. Al Qaeda's leadership had no fixed address. WE lost track of Bin Laden and the leadership of Al Qaeda almost three years ago, while we knew exactly where Saddam was and was going to be. Bush's failure to "stay the course" in pursuit of Al Qaeda, has left us all exposed to a greater danger.

Of course, Bush lies with absolutely absuurd firgures, stating we have captured 75 percent of Al Qaeda's top operatives. His math is off. There were 22 top leaders of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. We captured three of them. There were estimates of something in the line of 75 thousand Al Qaeda members who were trained at Al Qaeda camps in Taliban ruled Afghanistan. Yet less than 1000 accused Al Qaeda members have been captured. This doesnt even come close to 75 percent.

These are the only facts that can be used to defeat George Bush. Why Kerry is not using them yet is baffling to me. But then again, I was arguing that Kerry should be attacking Bush's success in Iraq and his failures to capture Al Qaeda for months. And he finally came out attacking I hope he does so much more strongly. Polls indicate that more people belelve that Bush is a better leader when it comes to terrorism and Iraq, yet all evidnece indicates that Bush has been wrong on every thing regarding Iraq and the War on Terror, while Kerry has been stop on in every prediction. He not only predicted the kind of mess we are now in, but he gave a very good advice how to prevent it, and it seems he was correct.

The rest of the world know it, as polls throughout the world show that the rest of the world would prefer Kerry as President, no Bush.

This indicates that the rest of the world would follow Kerry's leadership willingly, and this owuld likely result in a the nations who opposed us in the U.N. coming on board in Iraq, both ,ilitarily and financially if Kerry is elected. The effects on the War in Iraq, against Terror and on the drain on our economy this war is causing should be obvious to anybody.
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ever_green Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 07:50 PM
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2. he's been consistent
The only way republicans (and the media!) can show flip flops is to use extreme editing. They take his words out of context, it's shameful.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 07:54 PM
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3. Ah, another place for my favorite site
www.kerryoniraqwar.com

I give out this website address alot. It puts his whole stance in a nice neat tidy package.

Maybe I'll put it in my sig.

"A New War" by Kerry also shows that all the way back in 1997, he was already thinking about this stuff and forming most of the opinions he still holds.

Not a flip flopper at all. Hopefully he will be able to get that message out at the debates and on the upcoming talk shows.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 08:25 PM
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8. welcome to DU sara
:hi:
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 07:38 AM
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9. Hi sara4kerry!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 07:56 PM
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4. He has been consistent
and resolute. We could do worse than echo his appeals.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 08:10 PM
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6. Go Back Further
To a month before the Iraq Resolution was signed:
We Still Have a Choice on Iraq

Senator John Kerry, D-Mass.
New York Times
September 6, 2002

WASHINGTON -- It may well be that the United States will go to war with Iraq. But if so, it should be because we have to -- not because we want to. For the American people to accept the legitimacy of this conflict and give their consent to it, the Bush administration must first present detailed evidence of the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and then prove that all other avenues of protecting our nation's security interests have been exhausted. Exhaustion of remedies is critical to winning the consent of a civilized people in the decision to go to war. And consent, as we have learned before, is essential to carrying out the mission. President Bush's overdue statement this week that he would consult Congress is a beginning, but the administration's strategy remains adrift.

Regime change in Iraq is a worthy goal. But regime change by itself is not a justification for going to war. Absent a Qaeda connection, overthrowing Saddam Hussein -- the ultimate weapons-inspection enforcement mechanism -- should be the last step, not the first. Those who think that the inspection process is merely a waste of time should be reminded that legitimacy in the conduct of war, among our people and our allies, is not a waste, but an essential foundation of success

http://www.cfr.org/pub5596/john_f_kerry/we_still_have_a_choice_on_iraq.php

Here Kerry again indicates that both WMD's and an Al Qaeda connection need to be found before war can be totally justified. Kerry's ability to clearly see the events in Iraq, and the fact that the Administration had no real strategy were obvious to Kerry a month before the signing of the Iraq Resolution.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 08:10 PM
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7. Go Back Further
To a month before the Iraq Resolution was signed:
We Still Have a Choice on Iraq

Senator John Kerry, D-Mass.
New York Times
September 6, 2002

WASHINGTON -- It may well be that the United States will go to war with Iraq. But if so, it should be because we have to -- not because we want to. For the American people to accept the legitimacy of this conflict and give their consent to it, the Bush administration must first present detailed evidence of the threat of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and then prove that all other avenues of protecting our nation's security interests have been exhausted. Exhaustion of remedies is critical to winning the consent of a civilized people in the decision to go to war. And consent, as we have learned before, is essential to carrying out the mission. President Bush's overdue statement this week that he would consult Congress is a beginning, but the administration's strategy remains adrift.

Regime change in Iraq is a worthy goal. But regime change by itself is not a justification for going to war. Absent a Qaeda connection, overthrowing Saddam Hussein -- the ultimate weapons-inspection enforcement mechanism -- should be the last step, not the first. Those who think that the inspection process is merely a waste of time should be reminded that legitimacy in the conduct of war, among our people and our allies, is not a waste, but an essential foundation of success

http://www.cfr.org/pub5596/john_f_kerry/we_still_have_a_choice_on_iraq.php

Here Kerry again indicates that both WMD's and an Al Qaeda connection need to be found before war can be totally justified. Kerry's ability to clearly see the events in Iraq, and the fact that the Administration had no real strategy were obvious to Kerry a month before the signing of the Iraq Resolution.
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