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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 03:58 PM
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The posts here defending Obama's insurance mandate/giveaway shows how the DLC has taken over DU
How completely pathetic is it that insurance industry shillings and DLC scum ply their pro-private insurance propaganda here? And I suppose there's a minority of non-paid shills who stick up for the insurance industry simply because they're just plain stupid.

Go back in the DU search history, and check out the posts from many of the same shills: for months, up until Obama's insurance industry-pep talk speech the other week, these same posters were claiming that Obama wasn't going to spring a mandate on the populace, that such a thing was "out of the question".

Today? "Oh! A mandate isn't such a bad thing after all! The real problem are the 'free-loaders' who don't have insurance -- 'forcing' the innocent insurance company executives to raise everyone else' rates."

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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:01 PM
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1. I thought the DLC was the Clinton machine?
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:01 PM
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2. Not sure they are DLC - just Obama fans who don't like inconvenient truths. nt
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BobRossi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:11 PM
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9. I agree.
It's likely that the DLC is much too busy lining their pockets with insurance hush money to be spending time here.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:01 PM
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3. Didn't Clinton campaign on a mandate?
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:28 PM
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18. yes. And Obama BLASTED her for it, and said HE was different.
nt
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rubberducky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:03 PM
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4. Before I whine, and cry, and carry on, I would like to know what will be in the final bill before it
is voted on. ;-)
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:27 PM
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17. Me too...
So much wasted angst and energy around here!
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:04 PM
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5. No person or people dominate anything here ,thats the Democratic way
short on cheer leading ,long on argument ,hashing it out ,just like You are.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:05 PM
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6. Are you reading another board?
Because if your take is that individual mandate to buy insurance has "taken over" DU, then you have so little credibility that you aren't even worth listening to.

People here have been raging in large numbers against the individual mandate to buy insurance. *Some* might have rethought it now that Obama seems to support it, but that hardly means the idea has taken over DU. Before he was even nominated there was a sizable contingent that believed in the individual mandate.

The other issue is that Obama always supported the individual mandate meaning that parents would be required to cover their children.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:08 PM
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8. Read the pro-mandate posts here:
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 04:09 PM by brentspeak
Then tell me how I have "so little credibility": http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:39 PM
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27. There are lots of posts there against the mandate
and/or against the strategy of the health care plan in its various iterations.
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:07 PM
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7. You posting this shows how you've lost your got-dang mind.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:14 PM
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10. To be fair, its not Obama's. He is just the turd polisher in chief
His job is to smile and make the public think what Congress is crafting for them is the best thing since sliced bread.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:15 PM
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11. Your late! who is coming in next to piss and moan
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:31 PM
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22. How is that pissing and moaning?
Is that what the DLCers are labeling anything that is not pre-approved talking point speech?
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:37 PM
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25. Oh Oregone.. can't we just debate the issues without having to attack
each other on a personal side, or completely kneecap our leadership Clinton, Obama, Kucinich whoever.. (well Edwards is fair game.. the dufus) :)

Everybody has a different route to the Democratic Nirvana.. Lets debate the roadmap instead of pissing and moaning at each other all the time.

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:52 PM
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30. I thought labelling my reply "pissing and moaning" was an attack
But way to take the highground, eh?
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:15 PM
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12. I don't recognize DU much anymore.
It's sad but disgusting too. :puke:
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Baltoman991 Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:17 PM
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13. I agree!!!
I mean, the hatred and lying spewed here about Obama is sickening.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:26 PM
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15. No, the hatred spewed towards those who want Obama to be more to the left is what is disgusting.
And you know it.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:29 PM
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19. So few remember his campaign...
:hi:
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Baltoman991 Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:35 PM
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23. No, I don't
know it.

What I know is you and your ilk didn't listen to a damn word the man said for 19 months. You all pretend he said he's going to be the most liberal President ever and thats bullshit.

He's doing nothing different than he said he was going to do. So yes, lie after lie is posted here about the man yet I see none of you offering solutions, only more slamming.

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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:38 PM
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26. So Obama isn't even a liberal or dem in the first place.
So War is Peace after all!!! :eyes:
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Baltoman991 Donating Member (869 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:02 PM
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34. Just more proof
you didn't listen to anything he said.

He's doing what he said he was going to do in Iraq. We'll be leaving as promised.

And he said he would continue the Afghan war as it was the just war.

So please spare me the bullshit. I listened to him, you didn't. That's what I don't sit here day in and day out slamming him with lies.
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Prism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:23 PM
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14. For added entertainment, read the old primary threads
Especially on Mandate Wars. Oh my, how so many have done such a 180 on something once regarded as prime human evil.

The idea of mandates was a big reason for my strong opposition to Clinton in the primaries and further reason for supporting Obama. Then again, I also thought Clinton would be a triangulating do-nothing who would blatantly spit in the face of LGBTers while coolly claiming to love us dearly.

Yeah. This is all going well.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:27 PM
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16. Robert Reich has been saying mandates are the way to go for a while now
Isn't he everyones favorite progressive?
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masuki bance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:30 PM
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20. I can predict that if we end up with a trigger the same thing will happen.
"Oh, a trigger isn't such a bad thing after all!"
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:30 PM
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21. so do you want health care or any improvements
or just a contest about what part of the party is most represented on DU?
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:36 PM
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24. Are you kidding me?
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 04:38 PM by BzaDem
A mandate has been part of every coherent healthcare reform proposal for decades. It has been clear since at least March that Obama was on board with everyone else (that there had to be a mandate), though it wasn't really in question before that, even during the campaign, since all healthcare economists knew that universal healthcare requires a mandate. Even Obama himself said months ago that he couldn't see how we could prevent discrimination on the basis of pre-existing conditions without a mandate. If you were ever somehow under the illusion that Obama was not going to sign a bill with a mandate, then that says loads about your knowledge of this issue.

A bill with a mandate will pass. Bank on it. Hopefully then your attention-seeking-insult-all-democrats posts will die down, since you won't be given as much attention. I guess the best case scenario would be you leaving the Democratic party because of all of your outrage, as then we would never have to see them again.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:57 PM
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32. Of course, Obama ran loudly and specifically against mandated
purchase. He contrasted himself with his rival, Clinton, because she supported mandates. His attacks on her for that position were vehement, and consistent. He said vote for me because I oppose mandates. So his word is worthless. When he speaks, it might as well be the wind howling, for all the meaning it contains. Oppose, support, whatever works today.
He moralizes and preaches against equality for all, based on his religion, but his words are not honest. Hypocrite.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:48 PM
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28. Twilight Zone: Those criticizing Obama for mandates, some so-called single payer advocates,
don't see the hypocrisy in lauding Edwards' horrible bill.





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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:50 PM
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29. Or the hypocrisy in being against a mandate when Single Payer is one huge mandate.
The opposition to the Baucus bill has nothing to do with mandates. It has to do with the "To" line on peoples' checks for health insurance premiums.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:05 PM
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35. It has to do with being forced to do pay for profit
rather than paying to build our community. It is all about not liking the Insurance Companies, what they have done to so many for so long. They are the problem. They push paper and take huge profit for adding nothing. If they were not so fully corrupt, we would not need reform in the first place.
Those who work for Insurance Companies are not good people and few of us wish to pay their way in life any more. Bloodsuckers and worse.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:54 PM
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31. So because people might disagree with you on one issue you assume they are part of the DLC.
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 04:56 PM by Jennicut
:rofl:
I voted for Clinton in 1996 when I was 20...does that count as being in their group?
I was not for mandates during the campaign and not to sure about them now. I look at all arguments...will the public option work without them is my main question.
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:01 PM
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33. Funny, I thought Rigid Ideologues had taken over DU
EOM
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 05:16 PM
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36. Locking
Group attacks like this are not helpful.

mvd
DU Moderator
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