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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:12 AM
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Baucus says he is "very open to a trigger" if that's what it takes to get 60 votes.
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Mr. Baucus said he could support a public plan on a so-called trigger that is, a government health plan that is only a back-up, to be created if the legislation fails to provide affordable health coverage for a sufficient number of Americans. Senator Olympia J. Snowe, Republican of Maine, a leading negotiator on the health care bill, has proposed such a trigger and Mr. Baucus in the interview said he could support the idea.

Well, its very interesting, he said. I am very open to a trigger.

Mr. Baucus said he had yet to discuss the issue with Ms. Snowe, even though she has proposed it as an amendment to his bill. He said it was still unclear whether she would push the amendment in the Finance Committee or hold it until a bill reaches the Senate floor. The trigger is out there, and I think its very much in the air and the question is, when is it proposed? Mr. Baucus said. In what form?

Pressed to explain what he saw as the potential value of a trigger, Mr. Baucus replied in purely political terms.

Well, 60 votes, he said, laughing at his instantaneous, reflexive answer.

In terms of policy, which is why we are doing all this, he continued, still chuckling, it will help keep the insurance industrys feet to the fire if there is a trigger out there. The same theory as the drug benefit bill back in 2003. There was a trigger there. And I believe that a trigger is a good way to keep our policy objectives insurance-market reform, competition, to keep costs down. If its meaningful, and Id like a meaningful trigger, thats going to have a salutary effect. Thats my thought anyway.

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http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/22/chatt...
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:19 AM
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1. I don't care what Baucus wants. He has lifetime, govt.backed health insurance. nt
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:20 AM
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2. Max, You're not Roy Rogers and Olympia ain't Dale Evans.
Take your trigger and shove it!
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 07:50 AM
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3. Oh Baucus, STFU already. No one cares what you have to say
when you are in the pocket of the insurance companies.
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-23-09 12:45 AM
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22. He & Chris Matthews can grab some beers......
and gibber over the wonderfulness of 60 together. I don't think any lefties will join them at their table, though.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:03 AM
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4. It's a shame that Baucus
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 08:03 AM by bigwillq
and his awful plan seem to be leading the debate from the DEMS side. Shame on all the other DEMS for not sticking their heads out for a real, true public option plan.
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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 10:41 AM
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14. About the other dems
in the finance committee: they were practically shut out with the exception of Conrad whi is as bad as Baucus and Bingaman who I think is open to a public option (not sure though). The others have not beem sitting on their hands, there are 500+ amendments waiting to be discussed in the committe (I hope they will drop most of them or dispose of them somehow in 1 minute or less, else it will take... forever?). Have look here http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/9/22/72755/1213#c186 for some of the more important amendments.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:19 AM
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5. It is ironic that he uses the trigger on the drug bill as a selling point
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 08:24 AM by karynnj
as I think the consensus is that the plan is wasteful and the trigger was not pulled. I wonder if the goal might become passing a triggered public option (and fixing other problems) out of the SFC, then we can remove the trigger when merging with HELP. It would be easier than if there were no public option at all.

The mark up is now going on and is available on http://finance.senate.gov/sitepages/hearings.htm and on CSPAN (though I think it will have to go to the House floor when that starts)
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:29 AM
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6. A trigger for one or two votes? Give me a break
A trigger doesn't fulfill Obama's desire to drive down costs. It waits for the issue to get worse. This is a bill owned by Obama and the Democrats and it should not be made even worse by a desire to please 1-2% of the senate.
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eagertolearn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 08:56 AM
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7. Baucus better realize that no one is listening to him on either side so give
up putting time on your tax payers time card on this issue. He made me realize that if no one is listening to us about any of this then lets go for a single payer system. We can't put a bandaid on something that needs stiches.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:02 AM
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8. Yeah, cuz that worked sooooooooo great with Medicare Part D
:sarcasm:
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 10:02 AM
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10. Hmmm, what happened to that "trigger"? Why don't they just pull it? TIA
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 11:56 PM
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21. It got stuffed...
Just like this one...

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 09:43 AM
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9. I'm NOT!
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 10:30 AM
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11. Me too. Trigger mandates
The government needs to prove that it can offer afforable, subsidized, comprehensive insurance to 100% of Americans BEFORE mandating it for anyone.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 10:36 AM
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12. I don't understand why Baucus, who represents a state with a total population of less than 1 million
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 10:38 AM by 4lbs
people is afforded such a high degree of power on this issue.

If it was environmental issues, I could understand. In terms of land mass, Montana is the 4th largest state. However, in terms of population, Montana is 48th.

When your constituents don't even comprise 0.33% of the population, you shouldn't be allowed to screw it up for the other 99.667% of the US population.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 10:41 AM
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13. A 'trigger' is a sham, a con job to make you think you will have a public option down the road
The industry will spend millions to get the next Congress to repeal the trigger, and they will succeed simply because they will have enough Republicans and Democrats to do the industry's bidding.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 02:51 PM
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15. That's what I figured
I mean it even sounds like a joke. Sham is the word of the whole health care "debate".
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 03:48 PM
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16. I regret that I only have two middle fingers in order to properly give him a Brooklyn cheer
I wish he'd STFU already as he's not inclined to say anything at all useful.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 03:49 PM
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17. hahahaha! He's scared of reconciliation.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 03:51 PM
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18. Another trigger that'll never happen? Sorry, no dice. nt
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 03:56 PM
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19. He negates his whole point with the drug benefit bill mention
Edited on Tue Sep-22-09 03:56 PM by mvd
If there is a trigger, it must have real teeth to it in order for insurance companies to feel the pressure.
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tosh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-22-09 04:04 PM
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20. "...he continued, still chuckling..."
'Nuff said. :eyes:
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