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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:40 PM
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Max Baucus just got Punk'd
Max Baucus got in front of a real pretty backdrop and gave a little presser thereby finishing what has become the most elaborate and slow moving punking of a United States Senator in the history of that institution.

He knew that the only thing missing was Ashton Kusher jumping out from behind a camera yelling "We got you good man".

Baucus now goes to his committee, the Senate and the conference committee with a bill that he has negotiated 3 months on, gutted the key Democratic Party feature (Public Option) and promotes the failed concept of "Medical Cooperatives".


And now wait for this, put down any liquid refreshments or cover your keyboard, he doesn't have a single Republican Senator who is going to vote for it.


So now Max Baucus will be arguing that we should back a bill that will forever tie the Democratic Party to the Health Insurance Companies, mandate that every American use them, give no public option, while knowing that without any Republican votes will give permission for every Republican running against his colleagues to call every Democrat a socialist while at the same time asking them to vote for a bill that essentially turns the US government into a pimp for a private industry that makes Tony Soprano look like Mahtma Ghandi by comparison.



Now Max is facing the prospects of explaining all of this to the other Democratic Senators on his committee, with the delicious prospect that the bill that Baucus keeps saying "will pass the Senate" may not clear his committee.


so




Dear Democratic Senate Finance Committee Member,


We know that you are a good sport, you have kept Senator Baucus as Chairman.

We all appreciate a good laugh and a good "Punk".

Please don't overdo it. Join Senator Rockefeller and vote no on Senator Baucus's "You have to buy Health Care Insurance from Crooks Bill" and stop this continued embarassment.

It was funny, the Republicans really got ole Baucus, but now its become tedious and pathetic.

Kill that bill now,


Sincerely,

Any Democrat who has been paying attenntion
to Democrats who cave into Republican interests
and then don't generate Republican votes.

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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:43 PM
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1. 'Slack' Baucus bends over for the Healthcare Lobby...
Today should be the beginning of the defeat 'Slack' Baucus movement. Today.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:42 PM
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10. But he never expected that he would have to do it in public and stand for the cameras
while doing it.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:23 PM
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21. He was certainly paid well for that, about $3,000,000. Still, he's a whore.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:24 AM
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49. i don't understand why this is not illegal! conflict of interests, anyone??

this is just pure unadulterated unstitutionalized bribery, and it pisses me off to no end. :grr:

we live in a total corporatocracy/plutocracy. :argh:
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olegramps Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:38 AM
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72. I see big things in his future as a heath care lobbyist. $$$$$$$$
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:44 PM
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2. This bill does not even deserve to be discussed. Toss it in the trash, now.
This bill should NOT serve as a "base" bill for further legislation.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:45 PM
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3. It seems as though the exchange is a state level construction.
I think you would need a national exchange to put pressure on the insurance industry at this point. There is no state that has been able to get a handle on health insurance.
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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:49 PM
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4. Baucus isn't so interested in republican support
as much as he's interested in what his corporate benefactors want. If he gets their bill passed without any republican support, who got punk'd?
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:22 PM
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9. It will be interesting to see if he can even get this thing out of his committee.
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Qutzupalotl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:53 PM
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5. I hope they vote down his POS bill FIRST
so he'll have cover to do *something* on healthcare, and join the majority.

Maybe I give him too much credit.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #5
46. You probably do.
The only thing worse than a DINO is an actual Republican.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:59 PM
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6. Conrad on MSNBC saying, "the Republicans gave us a list of things to take out...
like the public option, and we did, so we hope some will vote for it".

PUNK'D!

Hopefully this will serve as a "teachable moment" for other Democrats eager to deal with the cockroaches.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:07 PM
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8. What a blathering corporateWhore..Not on the Wall of Shame for nothin'
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Marsala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:52 PM
Response to Reply #6
26. More like Conrad gave himself a list of things to take out
This is his bill more than Baucus's.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:05 PM
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7. Thanks grant for putting this is such
eloquent perspective.

Does baucus think his collegues and the American People are as stupid as he is greedy?..and stupid?
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 01:51 PM
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11. The best 3 million that the lobbyists ever spent.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:03 PM
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12. Unless there's blowback.
I am hoping for lots of messy blowback on Baucus and his buyers.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:09 PM
Response to Reply #11
29. maybe not - Howard on countdown said that it couldn't have been written
by the lobbyists - it was too generous.


This bill died faster than ant going under the tread of a Sherman tank.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:32 AM
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51. i thought it was Potter who said that.

big wet kiss to the insurance industry.

he said something about not just accommodating, but *anticipating* their needs.

what a total whore, i wish he (baucus) could be thrown out of the senate. :grr:
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:35 PM
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13. Max is like the nerdy kid
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 02:39 PM by JBoy
who showed up at a party with a primo bag of weed that he snarfed from his older brother, and manages to "hang out" with all the cool jocks while they smoke his dope. In the end, he gets sent on his way with the back of his tighty-whiteys up over his head and an empty zip-lock baggie.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:31 PM
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24. lol that's funny
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:30 PM
Response to Reply #13
34. What a great analogy...Corporate whore Max...
.. $3 million is pocket cxhange for the Insurance Companies. I wonder if got kissed before he bent over?
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zeemike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:46 PM
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14. It is the poison pill the Rethugs have been looking for.
And Max has given it to them.
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:07 PM
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15. My jaw dropped when I heard "no Republican support"
I thought the whole POINT of Baucus pissing off public option supporters was so he get Repub support.

Boy, is he looking like a fool by BOTH parties now.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:59 PM
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27. Yeah that was a shocker - couldn't see that coming

Except for Grassley saying that a couple of months ago lol
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NecklyTyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:09 AM
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60. He is looking like a fool to both parties, but he is looking like a tool for the insurance companies
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #15
74. If there is a silver lining to what Baucus has wrought, this bit of >REALITY< is it.
There is NO BILL, I repeat, NO BILL, that will garner Republican support. They want to kill any attempt by Democrats to pass Health Care Reform as a purely political/partisan tactic.
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:10 PM
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16. Well Said, Sir!
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:19 PM
Response to Reply #16
20. Always a pleasure, Sir.
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Telalim Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:19 PM
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17. President Obama should muzzle him
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 04:14 PM by Telalim
Baucus is from a backwater state trying to force us to buy health insurance that we can't afford. Of course the insurance companies love him. Why doesn't President Obama shut him up. The President should be in charge of the bills, not some old geezer.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:37 PM
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18. "some white ole geezer" "from a backwater state" ??

what an auspicous entry into the world of DU
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:23 AM
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70. Yes - it WAS "auspicious" - I wish MORE DU'rs had that poster's BALLS!!!
We need MORE of him!!!
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #17
25. Muzzle him? He's DOMINATED the debate so far
He's had his chance and has failed spectacularly.

He may have salvaged his re-election campaign by satisfying the insurance companies, but politically, he's a loser.
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NBachers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:11 AM
Response to Reply #17
45. Yeah! Way to jump into the Deep End. Welcome to DU!
It's such a pleasure to see a first post like that!
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #17
76. Hey, I'm no Baucus fan, but I take issue with the "backwater state" reference.
I would not use that reference for ANY state in the Union, including wherever you hail from. We are all in this together, sink or swim.
Fifty lashes with a wet noodle and a Montana consciousness-raising session for you!

Here are some things to get you started on the latter:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montana

http://mt.gov /

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeannette_Rankin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Mansfield

http://www.native-languages.org/montana.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_M._Johnson

http://www.nps.gov/glac/index.htm

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Panhandle Dem Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 03:50 PM
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19. Negotiation or Sex Act??????
What the hell. These negotiations are more like a sex act. We're getting bent over and talked into positions you won't see on the most depraved porn sites. Worst of all, those that represent us are smiling as if they like it. Then, after we've had it put to us like a cheap hooker the insurance industry walks away with bigger profits. Talk about getting pimped out.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:57 PM
Response to Reply #19
23. well you have mixed the metaphor so that Baucus is the pimp, sex worker and
bending over for penetration.

I am not saying that your wrong though . . .
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Cowpunk Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 04:56 PM
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22. It's not about Republicans. It never was.
This bill's purpose is to appease corporate whore Democrats like my own Ben Nelson.

"Bipartisanship" is a ruse to cover their Republican light asses.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #22
52. i agree that "Bipartisanship" is a ruse. nt
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:34 PM
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28. What I want to understand is, why is a finance committee,
and the insurance co. are blocking the working class from access to medical treatment? Remove both these entities and move in the health care people and the citizens who are going to be accessing medical services, and make it more user friendly.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:41 PM
Response to Reply #28
31. Apparently, it costs money so it must clear Finance
I don't get it either, but that's the way it is.
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:33 PM
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30. Max Baucus IS a Punk
A Corporate Punk !
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:15 PM
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32. Republicans will call every Democrat a socialist anyway. So let's have a strong Public Option bill!
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 09:15 PM by LaPera
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #32
47. That's a fact. nt
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:15 PM
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33. You know it really pisses me off that the news doesn't cover channel 24 news.
Yesterday I witnessed a confident panel and group of Democrats
talking about the features of HR3200 and all that it offers
and why it is so important!  We have to do it.  No question
about it, was the agreement in the room and it warmed my
heart.

Today I hear Lamar Alexander (R) lie through his teeth to any
consituents watching about how the word "savings" 
in the bill really means cuts, and how the seniors will be
cut out of medicare advantage.

I don't think you can run a government when both parties are
not listening and reasoning on the same information given to
both.  
I really think it is a disservice to the people of America to
be lied to and frightened. 
I don't want to pay for salaries of those in Congress that
are not doing their real job, which is not politics, but
governing.
Running the government on facts, not lies. 

I am appalled and I can see why we are in such a panic.  I
notice that I get close to be enraged.  And I am aware they
are lying because I just saw an entire committee working on
the bill with panels, one after the other who have really
good information that support the public option.

I am about ready to stop reading this crap anymore.  Even
Kucinich is sending out outdated information or information
skewed for angst.
Do they do this to get us to donate?  And when we do what do
they do with that money?  They get salaries, but what do they
do with donations?  
I think this governing thing needs some professional
consultants to come in and clean up the people's house so it
can be efficient and effective.  

This political crap is tearing us apart and making us
unreasonable. 
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:26 AM
Response to Reply #33
62. It's because the Powers that Be are out of Growing Season
There is a cold wet winter ahead, and the fast growing weeds of the Corrupt Capitalists are at the end of their life, spreading seeds of dicontent for next spring.


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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #62
73. How can we destroy their seeds and inhibit growth?
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #73
77. Excellent question.
As a farmer, I am out in nature all the time. I can see the change occuring in the seasons simply by watching what sprouts. Right now, the Winter Annuals are starting to grow, getting ready for the cooler weather. The weeds are dying out and are receiving competition by the new growth.

Plants run on an Annual cycle, and are easy to observe, but Mankind has it's own, distinct cycle. We are seeing the beginings of Population Overshoot. The Global climate is changing, and the majority of the people are taking notice that the leaders in charge, who "Ought to Know Better" aren't taking any actions. This is the trigger, if you will, for the next crop of Society.

Using the farming analogy, the easiest way to prevent the weeds from returning is to overwhelm them with beneficial species, that deprive the weeds seeds from germinating in the first place, or have serious competition if they do, thus reducing population of the weeds. Another aspect is that the beneficial species changes the soil structure and fertility in such a way that the Weeds just aren't that willing to grow. If the energy and resources are present, we can manually remove the weeds before they seed, and recyle their matter for reuse on better things, like food..

Our political system is intent on creating ground suitable for weeds. This is obvious in the lack of real education, the shutting of libraries, demonization of Unions, disregard for the Rule of Law, Corruption, and Lack of Accountability. The media plays a big part in this.

We need to acknowledge that we have an infestation of fast growing, invasive noxious weeds in the Government, and take steps to make the climate less welcoming to them. On the far, at the right time, during the Dicot stage of weed germination, I sometimes use a flame gun to reduce the population, and use the sterile seedbed approach. Start fresh, without the previous remnants of generations of weeds.

Other times I just use plain water, which many weeds cannot handle at all, simply because it gives them too much competition. A third approach is transformation, by planting a cover crop that removes their preferred growth environment.

All of these strategies are applicable to out current situation. We just have to promote a good species while starving the bad species. None of this happens overnight. Things take time to Grow, just like Concrete takes time to cure, just like paint requires time to dry. There is no instantaneous switch.

Obama has abandoned the Wholistic systems view of our problems, and has bought into the "Miracle Gro" cure for the sick crop, while ignoring the weeds infesting the garden. In fact, he can't even recognize the weeds, because he hired most of them for his Cabinet. He still believes in this so called Economy, which is a complete Fraud, and is allowing the Fraudsters to continue to run the show. He has not done any serious Weeding at all, and its just not going to work in the short term.
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earcandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 12:42 AM
Response to Reply #77
80. Wow! I am gonna post this to my website. Thanks for the analogy. Works, as frightening as it is..
Must be because I am reading Poland's book Omnivore's
Dilemma... 
I am in the chapter where he is reasoning the right to kill
animals for food, for the better good of all. 
Difficult.  I hate thinking some of us are not equal and
worth losing.  I would rather think we could all be brought
us to speed with some education and tools and not promote
growth.  

I admit, I am a hopeless visionary of evolutionary change. 
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:54 PM
Response to Original message
35. Poor Max.
I thought my life sucked.

K&R.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:53 AM
Response to Reply #35
56. Right now Max Baucus wishes Kanye West would jump on stage and grab the mic
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colsohlibgal Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 09:57 PM
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36. Money Well Spent
The Insurance Companies sure got bang for their big bucks with this stooge, he must be delusional to think that this was going to float at all. I can't believe that Baucus could use the word affordable when describing this joke of a plan, this pipe dream for his benefactors.

Old Max is certainly a front runner for biggest democratic (in his case in name only) whore in the Senate.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 10:34 PM
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37. It was
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 10:35 PM by ProSense
triangulating at its worst.

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:04 PM
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38. Rec #100!!! Get rid of that idiot!!!
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:07 PM
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39. Sheer genius. repukes get all they want and don't even have to vote.
Before you jump on me. I know that it's sheer corruption and not genius.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:11 PM
Response to Reply #39
41. Well its backfired because now the only people that matter are the Progressive Caucus

If they stand firm we will have a public option or no bill at all.


Had there been some Republican Senators there would have been pressure to compromise.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #41
42. I still say we, even the Progressive Caucus, are compromising with no one.
They gave up single payer in exchange for nothing.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:45 AM
Response to Reply #42
53. the Public Option is a wedge

1) Public Option for uninsured and small businesses

2) Expand Public Option for all

3) Single Payer state by state

4) Single Payer for the country.


Canada didn't swtich to single payer all at once.


The folks that put initiated the public option are single payer advocates who understand that it is unlikely to get the country to switch to single payer all at one time.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:29 AM
Response to Reply #53
63. Nope, I want Universal Healthcare for All
We've paid enough to the MIC all these years to have financed it 10 times over.

Time for a little payback for all that waste, and 3 trillion dollars that went AWOL on the DOD.

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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:01 PM
Response to Reply #63
78. What you want and what is achievable are two completely different things


All of the advanced societies that passed single payer did so with a Parlimentary system where executive and legislative power are concentrated into a single coalition led by a single strong executive.

Those in Congress who favor of single payer did not push it for the very reason that in a system that divides power between the executive and the legislative parts of government and then divides the power of the legislative into two and then requires a supermajority to pass legislation that passing this legislation to convert the entire system in one bill is not going to happen.


The folks who designed the Public Option are all single payer advocates.

Even Canada did not pass single payer for the entire country at once.

Your position is without any realistic foundation given the political structures in this country.
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Grinchie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #78
79. I disagree. You are listening to Propaganda.
We were able to gather the will to create the Nuclear Bomb, and then drop it on Japan, Twice.

We were able to creat a stockpile of necler weapons that would destroy the surface of the eart 200 times over, and then frighten the world for decades on Mutual Assured Destruction.

We bailed out the Banks, which are still nothing more than a Ponzi scheme for Trillions of dollars.

I think, given the BS we've put up with, Universal Halth Care is not only doable, but the only option.

Of course, the U.S. is broke, and the Corporations are holding all the cards, and Obama sold out to the DLC.

You are repeating propaganda and Opinion Shaping soundbites from the DLC Propaganda machine. But, you are consistent in your belief that somehow this administration is different from the last. Unfortunately, you are mistaken.

I have definate boundaries. Obama has violated those boundaries, much to the dismay of many others on the left. The Health Care Debacle is just another giveaway to the DLC Corporatists, and you are buying the propaganda.

We as a nation can do anything. We have no other duty than to demand excellence, not some shoddy unusable widget.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-18-09 02:17 AM
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81. all of the actions you refer to are the result of executive action

Your understanding of how power is divided by the constitution specifically to make radical political change more difficult borders on that of a junior high student.

We have a power structure that is structurally divided, the legislative body then being divided again with the nondemocratic house having supermajority requirements.

The proof of that is that the people who have worked the longest and hardest for single payer have not embraced your view.

They have taken the Public Option approach then expanding to state by state single payer.


If you haven't convinced them, and you cannot even convince a majority at DU that an abrupt change to single payer for the entire country in one step is viable then by what conceivable standard of logic do you think that you can convince a working majority in the country?
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:11 PM
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40. K&R n/t
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angrychair Donating Member (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 11:47 PM
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43. Worthless!!!
All this time and all this hype and it isn't worth the paper it's written on. It'll cost me more than I pay now and I pay a lot. Taking 13% of our paychecks right off the top that goes straight to the insurance industry's pockets!! That isn't even the worst part...its gets darker from there. Who's side his he one?!? Screw you Max!
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:23 AM
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48. It can't become law, no way. nt
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:02 AM
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44. K and R, and you have two OP's on the front page now...
greedy bastid!

:toast:
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:28 AM
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50. lol well that makes up for the normal crap I put out here

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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:41 AM
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54. Expected after Obama's speech. No PO. No real reform. No change. Bush II.
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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:46 AM
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55. What a disingenuous bastard
and gigantic time waster. Anybody on the board from Montana? What are his chances of getting steamrolled out of office. You know, I bet if he does lose next time, he'll switch parties and run for something as a repub. JERK!

Oh yes, K&R
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liberation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:10 AM
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58. He just got re-elected...
... he has 6 more long years to try to earn the GOP validation he so desperately craves.


What a colossal idiot...
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 02:59 AM
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57. Or did WE just get Punk'd?
I don't see ol Max losing anything except his senate seat on this deal, and that only to take up a lucrative lobbying position. So who really got punk'd here?
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fasttense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 03:56 AM
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59. This bill penalizes me because I can't afford the overpriced, useless
crap that is called Health Care Insurance. I mean really, do the health insurance corporations really pay for anything? They certainly take your money, but the minute you get sick, they find an excuse to drop you. And don't get a real illness like cancer, because despite taking your money for years, they suddenly don't know you.

It's a waste of money to buy Health Insurance in America but Baucus Will Not Give Me A Choice. I don't have health insurance because it is useless. Now Baucus wants to take 13% of my paycheck to pay for what exactly? If I don't sign up for fake health insurance, he'll give me a big fat fine. What kind of choice is that?
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NecklyTyler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 04:10 AM
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61. K&R
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 06:22 AM
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64. Max Baucus: "I'm such a shitty senator."
yet more eerie prescience from these folks..

I'm Such A Shitty Senator

By Sen. Max Baucus (D-MT)
May 2, 2001 | Issue 3716

I've been "serving" the great state of Montana in the U.S. Senate since 1978. You'll notice I put "serving" in quotes, because, let's face it, I suck. My wife has been pleading with me not to say this publicly, insisting that it's not true, that I'm a capable and dedicated public servant, blah, blah, blah. Bless her dear heart, but she's just being nice. Because, folks, I am telling you, I am hands-down the shittiest senator in the history of the Senate. The worst.

The other day, I was in my office, thumbing through some old pieces of legislation I'd either authored or co-sponsored. The whole time, I was thinking, "Christ, what a hack I am." Take my 1993 masterwork, S.915, the Semiconductor Investment Act. Section 2a of the bill states, "IN GENERALSection 168(e)(3)(A) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 (relating to three-year property) is amended by striking 'and' at the end of clause (i), by striking the period at the end of clause (ii), and by inserting at the end the following: '(iii) any semiconductor manufacturing equipment.'"

more at the link:

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33420
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 06:32 AM
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65. Don't you think it is more telling that liberals opposition to Baucus' strategy made it probable
that NO DEMOCRAT stood next to him or co-signed the bill he offered.

I think he signed his own defeat in a primary challenge. There is no excuse for his behavior. $12,000 out of a paycheck of 400% of poverty ($32, 500 for singles/ $66425 for couples)? What kind of shit is that? If you can't pay your housing, utilities, and food costs with what you have, TOO BAD!

He is like no Democrat I've ever seen.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 06:42 AM
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66. Max BoinkedUs.
I guess we shouldn't say anything at all about this guy...since there is nothing good to be said.
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BREMPRO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:25 AM
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67. the sad thing is that even giving up the public option to appease the repukes
they STILL aren't supporting it!! so what was the point of negotiating with the R's if they constantly move the bar just out of reach and are only using health care to play politics? why not craft a bill that actually makes sense, will save money, create better outcome, and will work instead of turning it into a watered down giveaway to the ins. industry? OH that's right $3,000,000 in campaign contributions. i forgot.



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Bozita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:35 AM
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68. Max Faucus - Yes he did!
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 08:50 AM
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69. PURE posturing for the hometown cowboys and the millionaires who pay his bills
At the end of the day, Baucus will have little influence on this process. But, he will have pleased his millions-of-dollars-donors.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 09:27 AM
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71. How "ironic" that the guy who receives the MOST $$ from the insurance industry
is in charge of the Senate's version of Health Insurance Reform.

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-17-09 12:25 PM
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75. my favorite pic of ole max (PHOTO)
Edited on Thu Sep-17-09 12:26 PM by populistdriven


Senator Max Baucus (D-MT) speaks with reporters on Capitol Hill February 6, 2009 in Washington, DC. According to reports, Senators have reached an agreement on the economic stimulus package worth about $780 billion.
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