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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:18 AM
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Snowe falls away. Reid says Dems prepared to use reconciliation as last resort.
Snowe falls away, leaving Senate Dems without GOP health support
By Alexander Bolton and Jeffrey Young - 09/15/09 08:10 PM ET

Senate Democrats are going to have to move forward on healthcare without a single Republican supporter after Sen. Olympia Snowe said Tuesday she could not back the Finance Committees bill.

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Democrats control 59 seats in the Senate. Without a single Republican vote, they would be forced to advance healthcare using a budgetary maneuver that requires only a simple majority.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Tuesday that Democrats are prepared to use budget reconciliation as a last resort.

Weve always had a place at the table for Republicans. Theres one there today. We hope it bears fruit, he said. If we cant get the 60 votes we need, then well have no alternative but to use reconciliation.

Axelrod told senators that passing healthcare reform would give them a boost in the 2010 midterm election, according to a person who attended the meeting.

Axelrod also said that polls showed that public disapproval over Democratic reform proposals which swelled in June and July leveled off during the month of August, despite the publicity attracted by conservative protests, said another source in the meeting.

Axelrods speech seemed aimed at Democratic centrists who are concerned about the failure to attract Snowe

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/58929-democrats-to-g...
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:22 AM
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1. Does that mean that Sen. Snowe is going to filibuster the Finance Committees bill?
If she had any taste, she could skip the filibuster and let it go to a vote. She does not have to vote for it if she is so "principled".
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BzaDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:40 AM
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3. I doubt it.
This is probably a negotiating tactic. She wants good policy, and reconciliation (due to procedural hurdles) will make the policy result much worse.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:24 PM
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14. She wants good policy but then wants it to cost the same as bad policy
:eyes:
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:06 PM
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17. abstain on the cloture vote? never thought of that.
functional equivalent of a vote for cloture but at least she has some cover.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:11 PM
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18. she never intended to vote for it. its all for show. she needs to go.
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MichellesBFF Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 06:35 AM
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2. And if they actually WANT to fillibuster?
Make them read the phone book, and pee in peanut butter jars!
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:02 AM
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4. Reality check: a filibuster is not "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington".
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/23/the-myth-of-th...


Reid's office has studied the history of the filibuster and analyzed what options are available. The resulting memo was provided to the Huffington Post and it concludes that a filibustering Senator "can be forced to sit on the floor to keep us from voting on that legislation for a finite period of time according to existing rules but he/she can't be forced to keep talking for an indefinite period of time."

Bob Dove, who worked as a Senate parliamentarian from 1966 until 2001, knows Senate rules as well as anyone on the planet. The Reid analysis, he says, is "exactly correct." To get an idea of what the scene would look like on the Senate floor if Democrats tried to force Republicans to talk out a filibuster, turn on C-SPAN on any given Saturday. Hear the classical music? See the blue carpet behind the "Quorum Call" logo? That would be the resulting scene if Democrats forced a filibuster and the GOP chose not to play along.

As both Reid's memo and Dove explain, only one Republican would need to monitor the Senate floor. If the majority party tried to move to a vote, he could simply say, "I suggest the absence of a quorum."
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The presiding officer would then be required to call the roll. When that finished, the Senator could again notice the absence of a quorum and start the process all over. At no point would the obstructing Republican be required to defend his position, read from the phone book or any of the other things people associate with the Hollywood version of a filibuster. "You cannot force senators to talk during a filibuster," says Dove. "Delay in the Senate is not difficult and, frankly, the only way to end it is through cloture."
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:06 AM
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5. Silent or not, it remains Republicans obstructing an up or down vote
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 07:07 AM by high density
And if it's only one of them sitting there, that's going to look awfully bad to an electorate that wants health reform and has a low opinion of Republicans to begin with.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:07 AM
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11. Don't bother - I've tried to explain this countless times.
You'll probably get shouted down by the end of the day, perhaps even called a corporatist or DLC axman.
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:11 PM
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13. Right, it seems many DUers preferred view of things is divorced from reality.
I posted this before also but there are those who prefer the quaint and Hollywoodized version of the Senate filibuster.
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last_texas_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:56 PM
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15. Is this something that changed with the changing of rules regarding the filibuster
Edited on Wed Sep-16-09 12:57 PM by last_texas_dem
in the 1970s? I know (or at least, have always assumed) that filibustering required standing on the floor and speaking and 67 votes to break during the civil rights era filibusters. When they lowered that number to 60 votes and began to allow the "threat of filibuster" filibusters that we have become familiar with, is that also when they began to allow the type of "silent" filibuster that you describe a few posts earlier?

ON EDIT: Never mind. I read the article and found my answer. :-)
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 12:59 PM
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16. Scope out the earlier link and see if it answers your question:
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:08 AM
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6. no no no. snowe MELTS away!
:groan:
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:51 AM
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10. My pretty ... eom
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:13 AM
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7. Do it already!
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:19 AM
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8. Reconcil to WHAT bill with WHICH terms?
Not that bullshit from Max that is nothing more than a HUGE bonus for the insurance companies, right?

Put the public option and other necessary terms back in prior to this... at least I am hoping this is what is going on.

PS: Fuck Snowe.
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tekisui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 07:46 AM
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9. DO IT!
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graywarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 08:14 AM
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12. DO IT!
Just god damn do it already!!!!
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-16-09 02:13 PM
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19. DO IT!
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