Are Woolsey, Grijalva and Waters any match against Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Baucus?

[Enrique]

you might say, let's wait to see what Obama says, let's wait for this, let's wait for that.

Well, Woolsey, Grijalva and Waters aren't waiting. They're facing the reality that what they see as meaningful reform will be compromised away, and they're speaking out, even making threats.

I do understand when people say we need to support Obama. I agree, we do need to support our democratic president.

But isn't that true of our progressive leaders as well? Don't they need support as well?

[Jennicut]

1. The only real prick in that group is Baucus and the conservadems like him.

And probably Reid for his horrible leadership.

[Enrique]

3. none of them are pricks

but they are in opposition to the progressives on this.

[Jennicut]

5. Baucus is in opposition. Obama is the negotiator...trying to bring the two bills together.

I want a public option too. We shall see. Obama has never been an opponent of the public option, it was HIS campaign idea to begin with. And Pelosi has never opposed it either.

[Cha]

9. baucus is a$$hole then..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8636511#8637564

[Enrique]

10. yeah, it's easy to be against Baucus

but not so easy to be against Obama.

That's what I mean by the progressive caucus has their work cut out for them. Obama can do whatever he wants and progressive voters will cut him slack.

[Cha]

11. You make no sense.. President Obama wants this

for us..fucking baucus DOES NOT. The Progressives are helping President Obama and us:think:

[Enrique]

15. and Obama might side with Baucus in the end

along with Pelosi and Reid.

[NYC_SKP]

2. What, in a no-rules cage match, or...???

Don't underestimate Grivalva and Woolsey in a tag-team.

And when Maxine is angry there's really nowhere to run.

:P

[dolphindance]

4. Obama is NOT against Woolsey, Grijalva, or Waters. If they WIN, he won't veto their ideas.

I don't know where you are getting that notion from.

[Thrill]

6. Obama is trying to get something through the Senate

where there are 10 Democrats that are basically Republicans. Its not easy. Thats why he won't demand a public option

[Cha]

7. If only you could get a clue..

Woolsey, Grijalva and Waters are helping President Obama and us..and didn't I read Pelosi wants the PO, too?

President Obama has asked for our help to get this PO passed..have you helped or just written negative snarky hypothetical questions?

[ProSense]

8. You lumped Pelosi in with Baucus?

Nuts.

[Cha]

12. And, he's trying to lump the President in

with baucus..he's not making any sense at all.

I don't know why I fucking bother.

[rockymountaindem]

13. Yeah. She is strongly on our side on this matter

I've been quite impressed. I think all this talk about blue dogs is misplaced because they are only in the House, and Pelosi et. al. keep saying there *needs* to be a public option to pass the House. We've got it under control there. The real roadblock is in the Senate, and there are no "blue dogs" there, just conservative Democrats and questionable peeps like Sen. Baucus.

[CreekDog]

14. Woolsey and Grijalva will do what they say

they are not the ones equivocating.