I'm fearing Obama's not another FDR, but another Carter

[tinrobot]

Jimmy Carter came into office after a disastrous GOP administration. Like Obama, he was an outsider who came out of nowhere, and beat some very formidable Democrats to win the nomination and presidency.

While in office Carter did a lot of good things, but he was generally seen as ineffective -- to the point where he was challenged from the left by Kennedy in 1980.

Personally, I liked Carter. But at this point in our nations history, we need an FDR.

[Captain Hilts]

1. FDR's reforms dispersed economic power, Obama's reinforced existing power structures. nt

[mix]

2. Well put. nt

[Drunken Irishman]

5. Well said if you believe in bullshit.

Seriously, this notion that FDR advanced the liberal cause at every turn without much flaw needs to fucking end.

You people sound like Republicans who canonize Reagan. FDR had his faults and it does an injustice to everyone if we IGNORE them.

Jesus.

[Captain Hilts]

9. Who said it wasn't flawed? Who said that either was right or wrong for these circumstances?

Obama's approach is just not like FDR's.

Different times. Different potential solutions.

[mix]

10. Who sounds like a Republican?

Denigrating the legacy of FDR, who of course was not without his faults, is part of the right-wing playbook.

You are a fool.

[Drunken Irishman]

18. Get a fucking clue.

I'm talking about his liberal legacy, you moron. FDR was despised by a big chunk of the left.

Why?

Because they felt he didn't do enough to advance their causes. He was too moderate in his dealings. Go read up on the history of that era and get back to me.

Roosevelt isn't the great liberal leader everyone thinks he was. He was a good leader, a great president, but also a pragmatic one.

Bye, though!

[mix]

25. Roosevelt was precisely that: a great "liberal" leader.

You are confusing leftists and liberals.

Leftists at the time were more concerned with revolutionary change and of course did not support Roosevelt's New Deal because this offered the working classes another alternative, mainly a liberal democratic one, as opposed to communism or socialism.

Your knowledge of history in the 1930s is simply wrong.

The point of the #1 post was the Roosevelt's reforms sought to lessen the concentrations of wealth in this country, which they did.

[Hieronymus]

68. The "economic royalists" as FDR called those who controlled the wealth.

[Hieronymus]

67. Much like Obama supporters who can find no fault with Obama.

[rug]

80. Obama has his faults and it does an injustice to everyone if we ignore them.

Jesus.

[Drunken Irishman]

4. And yet, many on the left formed a revolt back in the 30s!

Because they, like today, thought Pres. Roosevelt wasn't doing enough and was too tied to the corporate arm of the United States.

It's really sad how DUers have tunnel vision when it comes to history. They don't even know much about the guy they often hold up as their liberal beacon.

In fact, I feel confident in saying if DU were around back in the 30s and 40s, many here would have HATED Roosevelt because he wasn't nearly as liberal as some of you actually try to lead us to believe.

[Captain Hilts]

11. Yes, he should have done more. Indeed. nt

[mix]

29. fail, again nt

[Jim Sagle]

35. Actual AMERICAN liberals liked him. Reds and pinks, not so much.

[andym]

39. One darling of the anti-corporatists in the 30's was Huey Long n/t

[provis99]

70. Huey Long would have made a great president.

He would have lined up all the crooked businessmen and right-wing nutcases against the wall and shot them.

[Teaser]

48. The great DU whinasaurs don't know dick about history

.

[mix]

57. School us then, please. nt

[Teaser]

85. so you're a whinasaur?

not sure why you would want that appelation, but to each their own...

[mix]

89. Another apologist who can't make an argument.

[rurallib]

7. That is it exactly!

[Honeycombe8]

88. Obama is like Kennedy and Roosevelt. "The torch has been passed."

We're coming out of the worst economic crisis our country has seen in almost 100 years.

Ted Kennedy believed that Obama had the right stuff, and Kennedy knew a thing or two about what it takes to play the political game. Ted Kennedy believed Obama was like his brother, Robert.

There is always something to disagree with, and agree with. Which you choose says more about you than the policy.

I happen to agree with most of the economic policies, but not all. Mistakes were made. How could mistakes not be made...we were trekking on new territory.

Maybe one day he'll become perfect like you. But I doubt it. He's human. But he'll be regarded historically as a great leader. There is no doubt that he has the right stuff.

Greening up America as it has never been done before. Not fast, but more than anyone else has ever done, and done while we're going through a horrible economic crisis. Getting us out of an economic crisis in a matter of months...not fast, but more than many others could have done. Signing a bill guaranteeing women equal pay. Setting aside thousands of acres of protected wilderness. Stem cell research.

And now, within a few short months of his taking the reigns, and in the midst of an historical economic crisis, he's tackling the health care system....the most complex, hard to deal with, most emotional matter that our country can face. Something that touches each and every one of us. Something that no leader has been able to effectively tackle so far.

So...there's no rose garden, figuratively speaking, in the White House. But who promised you one? We have a great leader who is accomplishing quite a lot in a short period of time. I'm disappointed he hasn't come out strong for a public option. I'm not hopeful about it, either. But it ain't over 'til it's over.

[GreenEyedLefty]

3. Less than 8 months, and you think this?

Jesus, talk about throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

[tinrobot]

8. Look at FDR's first six months

Then look at Obama's.

I hope my fears are unfounded, but I'm suspecting they're not.

[QC]

41. I believe today's talking point is the one about turning a big ship around,

not the "it's only been ___ months" one.

Please update your records accordingly.

Thank you.

[GreenEyedLefty]

42. Sorry, I'm slow on the uptake today.

[Thrill]

6. He might be. We'll see. I'm one of the biggest Obama supporters

but I've seen some serious red flags on his willingness to be a strong tough leader. Your concern is legit.

My reasons for saying this. Unwilling to take a strong stance on a huge issue like Healthcare. Not willing to get tough on his on party members of Congress, Pushing the Torture stuff off on Holder, to appear like he has nothing to do with it. Continuing Bush's stupid wars.

He appears like a guy who is not willing to take a stand. He tries to have it both ways. Not good in my opinion.

[Jennicut]

13. Obama is not supposed to prosecute for torture, however.

Bush used the DOJ in a horrible, political way. Holder is supposed to be independent.

[Drunken Irishman]

14. Oh bullshit.

It's not legit and you know it.

Nothing is legit 8 months into his fucking president.

I'm done. I'm done with you. I'm done with DU. You're all a bunch of pathetic assholes.

I wish McCain would have won because he's the exact kind of president you lame-brain twits deserve. You deserve him because you don't fucking get it. You never have. The left has got to be the dumbest collection of idiots in the known political universe and they never understand WHY they lose power.

It's because they have to have it THEIR way or NO fucking way. Obama saves the economy - he's like Carter!

Obama progresses healthcare talks and gets us closer than any fucking president in American history - he's Bush's third term!

Obama nominates a progressive to the Supreme Court, fixes our problems overseas, restores confidence in the country again - he's a FAILURE.

FUCK YOU ALL. You want to know who the failures are? It's you dumbasses who feel the need to whine about every goddamn thing. You're all a bunch of pathetic pieces of shit who can't see when you need to pull back and when to apply pressure. The left rides Obama worse than anything I've ever seen and when he comes up short, they're ready to fucking toss him off the cliff - EIGHT GODDAMN MONTHS INTO HIS FUCKING PRESIDENCY.

No president in American history has had as many fucks breathing down his neck as Obama.

Then we lose and we get Republicans into power and we wonder why the fuck they do it.

THIS IS WHY.

It's because the left has to fracture and whine and worry and moan and bitch and cry and become disjointed EIGHT GODDAMN MONTHS INTO THE PRESIDENCY OF A FIRST TERM PRESIDENT!

Legit claim my ass, Thrill. Fuck your legit claim and fuck anyone who feels the need to slam Carter or Obama or write off his presidency eight months in.

No wonder the American people have turned on the fucking left in this country. I'm left and I'm embarrassed to be associated with all of you. You people are embarrassing and a laughing stock and you don't even know it or don't even seem to care.

Well keep acting like this. Keep frothing at the mouth, because it'll only set liberalism back a few more decades. Look like the nuts that you all are and then dance the fucking jig when, in four years, we have President Palin because you people got angry because Obama couldn't walk on fucking water in his first term and decided to stay home.

Fuck it.

I'm done.

[Thrill]

21. Calm down. I haven't given up on Obama. But I'm just saying

there are somethings we're seeing that all of us should be worried about.

Lets be realistic. On these big issues, he's come off as looking weak.

[tinrobot]

34. Exactly.

[dionysus]

27. WHOA, have a beer and chill! not everyone here is soiling themselves over all this.

[108]

30. Well said

I like the conviction of people like Wiener and Kucinich, but does anyone believe for a second that these men could be elected as President? If you guys keep it up, we are going to have a Republican president in 2012, with a base who demands him reverse everything Obama's done

[mix]

31. Your personality based politics are puerile.

This country is in the midst of several crises. Of course, people want solutions, things are bad.

I want my President to do the right thing and solve these matters asap, before the rot gets worse, and when I feel he is not doing what is needed for the people of this country, I will ALWAYS speak out.

That's democracy, live with it.

[tranche]

37. mix finds your politics peurile! He just wants Obama to make it better now now now!

Or else he's going to speak out!

Whiners is right...

[mix]

38. I'm glad you are happy with how things are.

I work with underprivileged students who do not have the proper resources for an education. Many come to school hungry. I have seen one political party after another prolong this injustice and it troubles me that the man I voted for is continuing these policies. Not to mention Bush's oil wars.

What you consider "whining" is in fact aggrieved people speaking out for what is right. Or have you forgotten what it means to live in a democracy and to be a progressive?

[BlooInBloo]

52. And it's all Obama's fault. What an asshole he is.

[mix]

53. Arne Duncan is indeed Obama's fault.

So is the continuation of Bush's wars. Poor schools mean one thing: more cannon fodder.

Apologists for the administration have the problem, not progressives who disagree with Obama. Progressive critics on this board, who argue in good faith and most do, have a larger perspective on politics than apologists such as yourself. For me, I see Obama as a member of a failing political class that includes both Republicans and Democrats. Compare the American political class of the 1930s and 40s with ours today to appreciate how inferior our present leaders are. They halted the Great Depression and defeated Nazism. Today's political class enriches corporations and Wall Street while fighting wars on behalf of Big Oil.

Apologists for the administration who lash out against any criticism of Obama either are comfortable with the status quo, as long as it has an attractive face, or can't face the reality that Obama is actually prolonging many of the failed policies of the last 8 years in education and national security above all.

I am willing to wait for the HCR speech to see if Obama does the right thing, but doubt he will.

The arguments and excuses of the apologists are falling apart before everyone's eyes.

[olegramps]

81. I think that you fail to recognize that he inherited a damn mess.

I would have advised him to not attempt to pass legislation on health care reform within the first year. He inherited one of the most disastrous situations and should have concentrated on trying to resolve the economic issues while reminding the American people daily just WHO was responsible for our nation being on the brink of bankruptcy. The health care reform is extremely important but in my estimation, which you can take with a grain of salt, he opened up a topic that played directly into the hands of his enemies who are my enemies; every Republican that breaths. I just don't think that the Obama administration realized just what assholes the Republicans are. He should have concentrated on educating the public on what is wrong with our present system firstly. What has happened is this administration has allowed itself to be put in the defensive position of trying to refute outright lies. I wrote my senators and representative prior to this push advising them they had better get all the facts before the American public before the health care industry launches their campaign to discredit reform or they could lose the debate.

No, I am not crediting myself with being smart. This was developed out of discussions with other people with whom I had worked to elect Obama. The Republicans are little more than rapid dogs seething with racism to the depths of their rotten souls. They should be treated just like you would treated like any mangy curr. They would throw their own mother under the bus for a buck. Nothing but heartless bastards without any sense of decency. Greed is the God they worship and adore.

[lame54]

84. He asked our permission to deal with it...

and we granted it

and now his spokespeople are telling us to STFU

[mix]

91. No, I have not failed to recognize the crises he inherited.

In fact, for any thinking American progressive the urgency of our situation is what drives our criticisms and impatience with the Obama administration.

Why continue the same economic, educational and national security policies that have brought us to this point?

[Uzybone]

50. great post

[kiva]

58. Promise?

[Bimmer]

59. Drunken Irishman...right on buddy

I have been reading this forum for a LONG time. Drunken Irishman hit it out of the ball park. WE NEED TO GET BEHIND President Obama and support him. We will no doubt disagree, but he is doing the best job with what he was dealt. The right is ATTACKING him and HIS POLICIES nonstop. This is how they do it. They are UNIFIED and we must not forget how terrible it was when W was running things. It saddens me to read this BULLSHIT complaining everyday on this board. He is working his ass off, and has been doing so since day 1. He is SO CLOSE to meaningful health reform (since LBJ) but all you hear is constant negativity from every angle. He's getting attacked from all sides. It has been 8 MONTHS. He has a big agenda and he will get it done. We have these right-wingnuts living in a Reagan fantasy land to this day...his ideology almost single handily brought this country down in Sept (Wall Street). The American people still HATE the GOP (see gallup)...they are waiting for results from this administration. Give him time. He is the most liberal President we have had in a generation. They are opposing EVERY SINGLE thing our President does. It is SAD and SICK. We need to support him, and his agenda. Things like this take time...


Like Drunken Irish said...think about President Palin. That should be enough to get any of you guys to wake the FUCK up.

[stklurker]

65. Spot on

You are correct.. and a large reason I dont post much.. Too much whiny kids who 'want my issue handled now, right now, or I am going to pout, stomp my feet, and take my stuff and go home'. Some of this stuff has been going on for YEARS and DECADES.. these issues, and the country will not change overnight.. but you have to keep pushing and pulling.. you will win ground.. you will lose ground.. but keep slowly moving in a direction, and concerted efforts and things will slowly go our way. I will frankly be surprised if we get the public option this time.. I know people are stomping their feet.. but quite honestly.. in my neighborhood, in my workplace, in my dealings.. I dont see the overwhelming public support it will take.. I try to talk it up, but people arent there yet.. We need to get them there.. but in the next month, I dont know. If not, what would get us part way.. chip away at it.. really, setup a base camp halfway up the mountain.. you dont just climb Everest, it takes weeks and weeks of up and down the mountain before you take the summit. Hell, we just got permission to setup base camp...

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

66. That was pure awesome. I feel the same way too, but I'm not going to let

the fuckwits here drag me down.

[AVID]

72. kudos to you for that - well put!

[kid a]

73. you said it like i think it! perfect!

[boppers]

74. Nice rant, DrunkenIrishman

Some folks seem to think constant complaining is a progressive value... while neglecting to note that the kings of complaining are the talk radio folks.

[phleshdef]

76. This deserves its own post. Its the most honest thing I've read here in ages.

And its the nail meeting the fucking head.

[suzie]

77. Nailed it!

[lame54]

83. bye...

see you tomorrow

[dsc]

87. He is no closer whatsoever that Clinton was in 1993 to passing health care

I am not saying it won't get done but Clinton got his plan through committee too, it was floor votes and the Senate Finance which tripped him up too.

[Balbus]

93. See ya.

Don't let the door hit ya, where the good lord split ya.

[FSogol]

12. Waaaaaa, Obama is not fixing EVERYTHING FAST ENOUGH for me. Waaaaaaa

[Proud Liberal Dem]

17. LOL

[Jennicut]

15. Way too soon...and the public was manipulated over the hostage crisis

that happened under Carter.

[WeDidIt]

16. Yep.

And he'll end up with one term if he blows HCR.

[Tippy]

19. How many petitions have you signed today?

How many phone calls? How many letters did you write? Do you know how many Redpublicans read DU? Anything you said can be used against Obama.....

[tinrobot]

23. They're calling him far worse...

I'm sure my little comment pales in comparison to some of the vicious lies that are being spread.

...and I do plenty, thank you.

[Tippy]

36. And I thank you....for all you do ...

All the negativity got to me....

[Bluerthanblue]

20. he's neither- which is far better

he's not like any other President we've had yet.

He's the first African-American President in our history.

He has come to office as the result of a groundswell of people powered effort.
He has inherited one of the most disastrous situations to ever face an incoming President, in an age where information, and mis-information is available at the click of a mouse.

This is not 1860, or 1930 or 1976-

This is now, and Obama is his own man-

I'm sick of people who bitch about how he isn't a ___________ as if the only way he can possibly succeed or satisfy is by following the path of past leaders to the satisfaction of keyboard history buffs.


There are many excellent characteristics to be found in past presidents- but Barack Obama is his own man. And I'm very glad I voted for him.

[Jennicut]

26. +1

Thank you! I am tired of the comparisons to other Presidents, for good and bad. Obama is Obama, he is his own person with his own personality. Criticize him all you want but he is not going to be a carbon copy of anyone else. Even Shrub was not a carbon copy of his own father. His father was a stupid conservative jerk too but they were far different in personality and how they dealt with Congress.

[Oregone]

22. Well, he is trying to finish what Carter started in Afghanistan

[mix]

32. good point nt

[Proud Liberal Dem]

24. Geez!! Isn't it just a little too early to tell?

People are saying that he's not "leading" enough on HCR. Well, that's true.....from a certain point of view- but his absence of "leadership" up to this point on the issue IMHO seems to have been part of his strategy NOT ineptness, inexperience, or anything other than part of his overall strategy and I think that it is working and will result in a good solid bill for him to sign. I think some patience and a willingness to see how everything plays out is in order before we start seriously discussing the Obama/FDR/Carter comparisons IMHO.

[thereismore]

28. Give him a few more days will you? nt

[GivePeaceAchance]

33. He doesn't have to be another Carter we have the means of overcoming most things if we stay focused

on what we want. In Carter's time there wasn't the means to organize spread the truth like there is today, sure it maybe slow and painful but we can move mountains with communication tools we have now and the truth on our side. What made FDR who he was, was a huge support from the people who'd been left to starve for several years by a Republican administration and knew how bad it could get. If a better future is what people sincerely want it's going to be a continuous struggle to make that a reality, it all depends how much folks want it really. The spreading of broadband and people starting refurbishing projects to hand out PCs to low income families this will and have ripple effects down the line, don't be disheartened as the changes slowly take effect.

[emulatorloo]

40. I fear Justin Timberlake is no Michael Jackson. And Kris Allen is no Justin Timberlake. Obama?

Well he has a big speech scheduled in front of congress and I am damned interested to hear what he has to say.

In the meantime I am going to call my reps and senators and the White House and again express my support for the public option.

[ItNerd4life]

43. Sadly, there could be some truth to what you say.

Under Carter inflation jumped from 6% to 13%, interest rates were as high as 18%.

Many economists are concerned that with Obama's spending spree and no controls on government monies, we could easily slide into a time of inflation skyrocketing. If that happens, Obama is toast. He needs to curb spending and get the budget under control.

It's really scary that the government can't tell us where all the 'bailout' money went. That's not a good sign.

But, most people don't want to hear things like this, especially those that never lived through the Carter years.

[kestrel91316]

44. Better another Carter than another Bush, or Reagan, or Nixon.

He is his own man, and will carve out his own unique place in history. Don't shove him into a mold.

[Awsi Dooger]

45. That was my father's instinct last year

He likes Obama but preferred Hillary because he thought Obama had too many Carter tendencies.

Specifically, during every debate with Hillary my dad would scream when Obama launched a rambling both ways analysis. He said that's exactly what got Carter in trouble, an appearance of not taking a stand.

I concede I haven't been paying utmost attention. A Democrat in office is too comforting to fret every daily media frenzy. But I do wish Obama would say something memorable and decisive, stuck in the national vocabulary. That alone would blunt anything the GOP could manage for months.

[Raine]

46. I LOVE Obama

I just wish he would realize these people are our enemies, we won and SCREW THEM!

[saltpoint]

47. FDR my ass. I think we need nothing less than The Avengers, by which

I mean both the Marvel crew of champions and the elegant, state-of-the-art television series from the UK.

Somebody make the calls. Let's get this done.

[Avalux]

49. Congrats. You are the winner of the GOP propoganda award!

That's exactly what they want you to think about Obama.

[freddie mertz]

79. Nonsense. What is Republican is following leaders no matter what they do.

nt

[graywarrior]

51. Can we wait this fucking thing out. please?

Jesus H.

[freddie mertz]

54. Why insult Carter?

Obama seems to be coming apart more spectacularly than any of us could have feared.

Hope it stops soon.

[Sugarcoated]

60. See post #49

This is RW propaganda and your a close second.

[freddie mertz]

78. Nonsense. That seems to be what you guys always claim.

Carter was a good president.

[olegramps]

82. Is that really your hope?

[depakid]

55. That's pretty much how it looks at this point...

Unfortunate, but not really unexpected.

[Butch350]

56. These are not the times of FDR.

The Psychology and the mind set of the people are not the same today as then. And, FDR WAS WHITE.

[mix]

61. Unfortunately, the times of FDR and the present are very very similar.

The wealthiest 10 percent of Americans now have a larger share of total income than they ever have in records going back nearly a century — an even larger amount than during the Roaring Twenties, the last time the US saw such similar disparities in wealth.

In recent years, the fact that differences between rich and poor are the greatest they’ve been since the Great Depression has become a popular talking point among liberal-leaning economists.

But an updated study (PDF) from University of California-Berkeley economist Emanuel Saez shows that, in 2007, the wealth disparity grew to its highest number on record, based on US tax data going back to 1917.

According to Saez’s study, which Nobel prize-winning economist Paul Krugman drew attention to at his New York Times blog, the top 10 percent of earners in America now receive nearly 50 percent of all the income earned in the United States, a higher percentage than they did during the 1920s.
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/08/15/concentration-of...

[dflprincess]

62. I'd say he's more of a Clinton

pander to those who will never work with him in the hopes they will like him while throwing those who supported him under the bus.

Carter really didn't try to do that. In fact, his biggest mistake may have been trying to convince us we were all in this together and might have to sacrifice to deal with the energy crisis of the 70s.

[QC]

64. Yeah, it was better to be Clinton's enemy than his friend, because

he would knock his friends into the dirt in his rush plant big, sloppy kisses on those who despised him. "If I submit to them just one more time," he seemed to think, "maybe then they will love me."

Obama seems to have an even worse case of it than Clinton did.

[liberalpragmatist]

63. No president managed to pass a universal health care bill

Not FDR. Not Truman. Not Kennedy. Not Johnson. Not Carter. Not Clinton.

For that matter, neither did Nixon, who made a major push, nor George H.W. Bush, who proposed a plan in 1991.

I will be upset if we don't get a public option, but the truth is that the public option was not floated in any of the reforms proposed by Carter, Nixon, or Clinton. It wasn't proposed by Gore in 2000 or by any of the 2004 presidential candidates, including Howard Dean.

Health care reform is extremely difficult in this country. Every single time it has been attempted it has failed.

That's why I find it weird that I see so many people saying they wish LBJ or FDR were president right now. Neither man even tried to get a universal health care bill through Congress because they knew it wouldn't pass.

This has come farther than any other health care reform effort in U.S. history. Never before has a comprehensive health care bill even passed a single Congressional committee.

I'm willing to wait and see what Obama proposes on Wednesday. And while I hope a public plan is one of the elements, I'm not going to ignore other important features of the bill either. It could well be a major accomplishment even without a public plan (depending on what else is included.

[Yavin4]

69. What, Obama Won't Put Japanese Americans Into Camps?

Or, allow violent Jim Crow racism and segregation to flourish across the South?

[Thothmes]

75. or authorize assassinations?

[provis99]

71. maybe we can dig up the body of Eugene Debs and run him in 2012.

his mouldering body would be a better candidate than these DLC shits that Emanuel pushes on us, who have been ruining the party.

[Honeycombe8]

86. You couldn't be more wrong. Notice how Carter doesn't like Obama?

How NONE of the other Presidents like Carter?

Carter stands alone as an ineffectual President. I think he's a good person and did a decent job, but not a very good job. He should not have run again for a second term against Reagan. Ego. He didn't have much of a chance of winning.

Notice how Ted Kennedy regarded Obama as being like his brother, Robert?

Notice how Ted Kennedy said that the torch had been passed?

Ted Kennedy had never said or implied that before. He had been around the block a time or two and knew a thing or two about politicians. I'm guessing he knew a little more than you or I about politicians and gumption and talent and smarts for the political game.

But even without Kennedy's telling us that Obama has the right stuff, I knew in my gut early on that he did. That doesn't mean that O will get the public option or exactly what he wants in the health care reform bill. He may not. Clinton didn't.

But to say Obama is like Carter is to show that you don't REALLY know much about Carter or Obama, and are not familiar with what Obama has accomplished so far, in a few short months during the worst economic crisis of our country in almost 100 years.

[marshall]

90. Carter's strengths shone brightly AFTER his term as president

Look on the bright side--whatever happens, we have decades of post-presidential service from Obama to look forward to.

[Deja Q]

92. It's a proven myth Obama is not the new FDR

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

[Balbus]

94. Even comparing to Carter, at this moment, is being generous.

[RBInMaine]

95. He does need to get CLEARER, TOUGHER, and on OFFENSE, but too early to compare to Carter.

[QC]

96. That's a very unfair thing to say.

Carter actually had some convictions and tried to accomplish some things for the people.

[gulliver]

97. "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."

Maybe Obama is familiar with FDR too?