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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:02 PM
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Clinton kept us safe for 8 years and then we were attacked in the first year of the Bush admin.
Dem. strategists should point this out saying BUSH made us less safe (by ignoring the Clinton admin.'s advice to make al Qaeda their top priority as well as ignoring the Aug. 6th PDB) and that's why we were hit on 9/11.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:03 PM
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1. CIA did 9/11
per Bush... :hi:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:19 PM
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2. I don't believe that. n/t
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:22 PM
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3. I do
those buildings could not have fallen exactly the same way............. :hi:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:25 PM
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4. You can't know that for a fact. And it would be THE best kept secret EVER.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:38 PM
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8. not really
they did do it
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:42 PM
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10. You didn't rebut anything I said. n/t
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:01 PM
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51. CIA
The only photographs, or film the FBI took on that day was across the street from the Pentagon, at the hotel, and gas station, why?, did they not go after the live coverage of the twin towers?
because their was NO 757 that crashed at the pentagon, not enough wreckage, and the whole was as big as a cruise missile.

why was dick cheney the only vp in history to be in charge of a military operation on the day of sept 11th, before it all happened?

why did both buildings collapse the same way?, why was there 'explosions' beforehand, that are caught on tape?, a big puff of smoke, on the ground, way before they collapse

why did bldg 7 collapse? it was never hit by an airplane.....

why was there hardly any wreckage of flight 93?

remember the usair 737 that crashed in pittsburgh, took a nosedive?, there was tons of wreckage...

:hi:

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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:24 PM
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52. Like the birthers, you believe in a conspiracy. Nothing will change your mind...
Edited on Wed Sep-02-09 07:34 PM by jenmito
but here's some reading for you: http://www.alternet.org/story/41601 / :hi:
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:26 PM
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53. So what happened to the people on the plane?
Are they alive somewhere? :rofl:
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vadawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 04:03 AM
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59. my one is all the people calling in about the aircraft that hit the pentagon
all the light stanctions that where taken down as well, to many people watched the aircraft come in and hit the pentagon for it to have been a cruise missile..
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 09:11 AM
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36. So the CIA was infiltrated and the plot put in place during Clinton's administration?
1. Many Clinton appointees were still in position on 911.

2. Takes a long time to plan such a complex plot and get all the pieces and people in the right places. Don't forget how many agencies had to be infiltrated to ensure the cover up went smoothly.


Do you think Clinton was in on it or was he simply oblivious to what was happening with-in his administration? To what degree should the President be expected to know what was going on? To what degree should he be held accountable?
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 12:06 PM
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39. The poster left this thread without giving ANY evidence to back up his claim. n/t
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 01:00 PM
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43. Self delete nt
Edited on Wed Sep-02-09 01:01 PM by hack89

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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:31 PM
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5. Sounds like more Iiberal distortion of the truth. You people are always..
...trying to change Histary.
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InvisibleTouch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:42 PM
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11. Er ... what "histary" is changed by stating this indisputable fact? n/t
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:45 PM
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13. My guess is he's being sarcastic. n/t
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:32 AM
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30. Of Course!
:)
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:15 PM
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17. self-dele
Edited on Tue Sep-01-09 09:16 PM by valerief
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bushisanidiot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:33 PM
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6. You're exactly right. Everyone knew Clinton was going after Bin Laden
but Bush came in and called the dogs off of Bin Laden, thus, enabling him to attack us with no one caring enough to pay attention to his activities.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:44 PM
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12. Thanks you. n/t
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 10:01 PM
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20. IT WAS MORE IMPORTANT TO THE NATION'S SECURITY TO COVER TITS ON STATUES, DAMMIT!!!!
Why can't anybody SEE that?

and go after INTERNET PORN...!!!
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:34 PM
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7. What about the first WTC attack?
Isn't that one of the rebuttals to your statement?

The big difference was that the Clinton admin caught, prosecuted, and convicted the terra-ists and didn't launch an illegal war (over it).

:hi:







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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:41 PM
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9. No, unless it's been discovered that CLINTON ignored advice and PDBs and other intel.
I never heard any of that.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 02:48 PM
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46. Didn't that happen less
than a month into Clinton's term? And this NYer remembers the police work that got the perps in jail for that - I'm still waiting for Osama's head on a platter.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:54 PM
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14. Oklahoma City bombing?
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 10:11 PM
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21. OKC? MIHOP. Waco and Ruby Ridge, too!
:hide:
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 10:49 PM
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24. Yeah.
We shouldn't make it a point of if we get attacked or not. Terror attacks happen, like shit. The stick we should measure by, and I believe Clinton did a pretty good job on this, is our reaction to a terror attack.

This is simple minded rw thinking.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:04 AM
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28. Waco and Ruby Ridge were not "terrorist attacks", unless you mean by the ATF?
Edited on Wed Sep-02-09 07:04 AM by WinkyDink
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 02:13 PM
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45. Ruby Ridge happened in April of 1992..... BEFORE CLINTON WAS PRESIDENT

I get so sick of people tying Ruby Ridge to the Clinton Administration. It happened on Poppy's watch.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 01:16 AM
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26. True, but...
did someone hand Clinton a memo saying a specific militant group was going to target the Murrah Building? That's the salient point here.

Also, while the OC bombing was the worse terrorism on US soil up to that point, the casualty numbers for September 11th were almost 20 times higher than the OC bombing, the entire nation watched it unfold in real time, AND 9/11 spawned a war that has killed tens of thousands of Americans, Iraqis and Afghanis. Not to suggest the people directly affected by OC weren't traumatized, or that it wasn't a terrorist strike, but you really cannot compare the two in terms of situation or scale.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:35 AM
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31. True but...
That is not what the op said. Is it?
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 10:19 AM
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38. If you're being legalistic, yes.
But if you read for content and not merely to take each word literally, overall, I still stand by my original reply to you. Here's the part of the OP that's the main talking point: "BUSH made us less safe (by ignoring the Clinton admin.'s advice to make al Qaeda their top priority as well as ignoring the Aug. 6th PDB)." No attacks vs. devastating attacks. You're really just being nit-picky; 90% of Americans aren't going to remember OC when talking about terrorism b/c 9/11 completely overshadowed it.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:02 AM
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32. Every attack on Clintons watch....
and trust me, I am no Clintonista, was followed with an arrest and conviction. What monkeyboy gave us was two unending wars and NO arrest OR convictions. The perpetrator of 911 is still on the loose (assuming he's not dead).Monkeyboy failed at that just like he failed at EVERYTHING he did in life.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:27 AM
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33. True, and if the poster made that point, I would have simply agreed.
But, again, that wasn't the point of my brief response. If you read what came after that post, you'll see we are in agreement.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:28 AM
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34. That is a classic Goal Post Move
:nuke:

The subject is "kept us safe", which I believe any reasonable person would interpret as meaning "prevented harm from occurring".
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 08:54 PM
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15. Hi, Jen....
...I just love Darth Cheney talking about how they kept us safe. What? He slept through 911?

:eyes:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:00 PM
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16. Hey, Hep...
I know. Me, too. I love watching him brag about how they kept us safe after the biggest attack on our soil.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:28 PM
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18. I wish I could rec this a hundred times!
:kick:
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 09:32 PM
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19. Thanks, intheflow!
:hi:
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 10:15 PM
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22. Cheney/Bush kept us safe for eight years...
*cough*..except for that one time..*cough*
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 10:25 PM
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23. Agree. I think they are afraid to say it, but it needs to be said
I do NOT believe the official 9/11 story, but whatever happened, we were not kept safe.
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GodlyDemocrat Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-01-09 10:57 PM
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25. We were attacked in the first year of Bill Clinton's administration too
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 12:24 PM
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42. I know. He kept us safe AFTER that. And that's what I'm talking about-just like the Repubs.
They don't COUNT 9/11, but 9/11 is the equivalent of an attack happening NOW-although the RWers would blame Obama saying another attack didn't happen on THEIR watch, we could say that Clinton kept us safe after al Qaeda's failed attack and we were safe until Bush's failure to keep us safe on 9/11.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 05:26 AM
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27. Not sure that sailors on the USS Cole or the folks
in the Embassies in Africa would agree. Possibly those folks in the Federal Building in Oklahoma would also disagree.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:05 AM
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29.  True. USS Cole = 10/12/00. WTC-1, 2/26/93. These things happen. Ask Europe. But to BOMB and
Edited on Wed Sep-02-09 07:16 AM by WinkyDink
INVADE a sovereign nation that was UNINVOLVED, resulting in the deaths and maiming of untold hundreds of thousands and the looting of our civilization's, not just one nation's, treasured artifacts, as a response is the province only of the CRIMINAL FAMILY known as BUSH.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 06:36 PM
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50. The OPs point was Americans being attacked
Invading a soverign nation that was uninvolved is an American pastime. Was it ok for LBJ to attack Vietnam resulting in the deaths and maiming of untold millions.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:49 PM
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55.  Who is arguing pro-LBJ here? And BTW, the USS Cole was an American ship.
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 05:31 AM
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60. That is what the USS stands for
it means United States Ship
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 12:20 PM
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40. I was talking about the Repub. standard of being kept safe "on our soil."
And I forgot about the OKC bombing, but the REPUBS. are talking about al Qaeda, so I think my post still stands (kind of). :)
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:29 AM
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35. K&U - This is a classic "Group Narcissism" thread that ignores the harm that DID occur...
...during Clinton's two terms.

:nuke:
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 09:13 AM
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37. Bush spent 8 months looking for a way to attack Iraq.
9/11 gave them everything they needed.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 12:23 PM
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41. The bombing of the WTC took place under Clinton's watch
While we can't blame Clinton for any negligence or responsibility for WTC bombing as we can Bush on 9-11, we can certainly point out that Clinton appointed an Opus Dei incompetent to lead the FBI, and that it was Louis Freeh's FBI that ignored the warnings of field agents about suspicious Middle Eastern men taking flying lessons, that failed to translate pages of Ramzi Yousef terrorist plans which included crashing planes into buildings and national landmarks.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 01:28 PM
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44. The explosive charge came within a few centimeters of bringing the tower down
It was a very lucky break.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 02:57 PM
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47. 911 was an inside job. Wake up! nt
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 07:38 PM
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54. I thought you were being sarcastic, but you weren't judging by this post:
Edited on Wed Sep-02-09 07:39 PM by jenmito
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-03-09 03:41 AM
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58. I don't joke about 911. So I'll repost what I said in that thread you reference here:
"Over the years, there's been a lot of info posted here on DU on what we're not supposed to know.

Stuff about the BFEE, the North American Union, the Bilderbergs, 9/11 MIHOP/LIHOP, etc.

Some people around here are paying attention to it, and some who think Obama's a rock star are not.

You would think that ever since Nixon and Vietnam, people would be highly suspicious and cynical about politicians, government and the corporations that control them.

Instead people still buy into the smarmy, smooth talking, snake oil salesman lies being fed them 24/7 by politicians and the corporate media."

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Better BeLIEve Bull Donating Member (27 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 03:10 PM
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48. but the Bushies blame it on Bill
couldn't have been their ineptitude, could it??
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 03:14 PM
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49. They sure do...
I don't remember Bill blaming GHWB, though. He should've...if only he knew what GWB would do in the future.

p.s. Welcome to DU! Love your nic. :D
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:00 PM
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56. Republicans will point to the first attack on the Twin Towers and then his failure to get Bin Laden
I personally don't think either Clinton (and granted more) Bush were at all competent on this issue during their offices.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-02-09 08:04 PM
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57. I was talking about AFTER the first attack on the WTC since the Bush admin. counts their
8 years of keeping us safe start after 9/11.
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