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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 01:56 PM
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Cheney crawls out from under his rock as newly released memos confirm he's a liar (updated)
Edited on Tue Aug-25-09 02:26 PM by ProSense

Cheney Emerges From Undisclosed Location

by BarbinMD

Dick Cheney has crawled out from under whatever rock serves as his latest undisclosed location:

Former Vice President Dick Cheney said in a statement Tuesday that the Obama administration's decision to name a prosecutor to look into Bush-era interrogations of suspected terrorists should foster "doubts about this administration’s ability to be responsible for our nation’s security."

"The people involved deserve our gratitude," Cheney said. "They do not deserve to be the targets of political investigations or prosecutions."

Leaving aside his standard fear-mongering tactic, we can all appreciate why Cheney would oppose any criminal investigations into the use of torture techniques while he was in office -- after all, the smoking gun would have his fingerprints all over it.


Big Surprise: Torture Memos Belie Cheney's Claims

By Zachary Roth - August 25, 2009

It's hardly news that Dick Cheney isn't likely to win any prizes for honesty any time soon. But yesterday offered yet another exhibit in the case.

During the debate over torture this spring, Cheney claimed that CIA memos, which he had asked to be declassified, would prove that torture proved effective in obtaining actionable intelligence.

Well, yesterday, those memos were released, along with the CIA inspector general's report. And, surprise surprise, they don't begin to show what Cheney said they did.

The memos, from 2004 and 2005, do say that some detainees, particularly Khaled Sheikh Mohammed, gave up useful information during debriefing sessions. But nowhere do they suggest that that information was gleaned through torture.

Indeed, as Spencer Ackerman of the Washington Independent shows, most of the evidence suggests they came through traditional interrogation techniques. As Spencer puts it: "Cheney's public account of these documents have conflated the difference between information acquired from detainees, which the documents present, and information acquired from detainees through the enhanced interrogation program, which they don't."

It's no wonder that in his response to the memos' release, Cheney is reduced to playing silly semantic games that a reasonably intelligent junior high-schooler could see through. "The documents released Monday," said Cheney in a statement, "clearly demonstrate that the individuals subjected to Enhanced Interrogation Techniques provided the bulk of intelligence we gained about al Qaeda." That's true, but it's totally different from Cheney's earlier claim -- that the documents would show it was the EITs themselves that elicited the information.

Human rights organizations are making similar points. Gitanjali Gutierrez of the Center for Constitutional Rights said the documents "don't make the case for torture, they only show that the CIA is able to tailor documents to justify its actions after the fact." And Tom Parker of Amnesty International added that the memos "are hardly the slam dunk we had been led to expect. There is little or no supporting evidence in either memo to give substance to the specific claims about impending attacks made by Khalid Shaik Mohammed in highly coercive circumstances."

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Updated to add:

Morning Joe Defends Bush/Torture. The GOP is scared, and for good reason

So, the GOP will cry, lie, twist the truth, demonize, play the victim, call it a witch hunt, call us fascists, whatever. It is nothing we haven't seen before, so we should not be surprised.

But they are scared, very scared, and for good reason.

If they were not afraid, that would be a reason for concern.

But they are not. Already the Right Wing Noise Machine is on the defensive. That is great for us, as Democrats and as believers in the Rule of Law, but it doesn't mean our job is done. Not by a long shot.

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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 02:03 PM
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1. What a pompous ass.
Lord Vader says, "The people involved deserve our gratitude." And guess what, he's one of the people involved. How dare we ask questions about just what it is we're supposed to be grateful for. We're supposed to just be grateful and leave it at that.

All hail Cheney!

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 02:20 PM
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2. Basic Philosophical Principle: The Ends does not Justify the Means
The Pubs delve into deep goo when trying to explain their actions bordering criminal acts....

Pubs, get a life....its hopeless to clean this one up...

Torture is UnLawful and against all Humanity...

If we allow Torture....when will it end?

When the enemies capture us and torture our own people?

The Investigation to expose the Truth must be initiated soon...
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 02:34 PM
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3. Cheney has already been convicted in the world court of popular opinion.
He's right up there with Kim Jong Il and Ahmadinejad as one of the most reviled leaders alive and still free to roam.

Now it's just a matter of legally dismantling what's left of Darth Vadar's crumbling throne.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 03:09 PM
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4. That lying sack of shit is a fucking disgrace to the U.S. n/t
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 03:10 PM
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5. ask not who the memos indict . . .
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 03:13 PM
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6. He's going down, and he knows it.
Fuck you DICK.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 05:41 PM
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7. Probably the most effective torture would had involve Cheney's presence at interrogation
with them threatening to have Cheney have a heart attack and fall on the prisoner.

I'm sure that would scared the hell out of anyone.
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