BREAKING ON CNN-Dems. consider "nuclear option"/reconciliation!

[jenmito]

Looks like they may have finally gotten the message! They'll try through mid-Sept. but if it's not moving, they'll do it with 51. I guess they heard that the Repubs. who claimed that now they'd even reject CO-OPS! And one Repub. said that ANY plan the Dems. pass will be a trojan horse for a govt. takeover. :bounce:

Edited for clarity since they used both terms.

[DrToast]

1. Reconciliation or killing the Filibuster?

Let's just quit fucking around and kill the Filibuster.

[jenmito]

3. I don't know. They used the term "nuclear option" but then said they'd try to pass it

through reconciliation.

[DrToast]

5. Probably reconciliation

I don't know if they have the guts to end the filibuster.

[jenmito]

10. I agree. n/t

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

57. Reconciliation. (nt)

[Peacetrain]

2. Great minds Jen... great minds...

:bounce:

[jenmito]

4. Yup!

I just saw your thread. :fistbump:

[Peacetrain]

14. Hey I am running between threads..

Keep them both at the top

[jenmito]

16. OK! n/t

[Peacetrain]

34. I put this one on the board earlier this afternoon

:rofl:... I did not think it would come true so early.. now come on CONGRESS!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8596904

[femmocrat]

6. About time they rejected the bi-partisan fantasy.

YES WE CAN, DAMMIT!

[jesus_of_suburbia]

7. OH MY GOD! GO DEMS AND OBAMA! YAY!

[eleny]

8. Now they're cooking!

[Dinger]

45. Word

:headbang:

[Arkana]

9. Even threatening the nuclear option will send Republicans into a frothing rage.

And I, for one, am looking forward to Inhofe and DeMint and Gingrich and Boner and McConnell and all their other "leaders" going on TV and positively SPITTING with rage about it.

[Botany]

11. Now Inhofe is from Tulsa .....

[Cha]

12. Yay..The Pres was diplomatic and went

the correct route..but, Hay, if the repubs are going to act like whiney little bullies then they'll eat dust.

Thanks, jenmito:hi:

[jenmito]

13. Yup...

but just to be clear, Obama himself didn't say this. It was just reported by Ed Henry and Jessica Yellin.

:hi: Cha!

[Cha]

19. I didn't figure he was on..

word is though..and I already knew he suported it bc I took him at his word.

[jenmito]

20. I mean it wasn't reported that he or Gibbs said this...

but Dems. on the Hill (I think).

[Peacetrain]

22. This is going to be the news from top to bottom tomorrow.. I think even Fox is running it

[jenmito]

24. This is just what we NEEDED-a change of narrative. n/t

[Peacetrain]

25. Which is sorely needed right now..

[Cha]

26. And, the White House put

out a statement on Sunday so this is snowballing.

And, Thursday..

Cha --

President Obama is holding a live strategy meeting on Thursday at 2:30 p.m. Eastern Time for all Organizing for America supporters. I hope you can join us, online or by phone.

The President will update us on the fight to pass real health insurance reform -- what's happening in D.C. and what's happening around the country. He'll lay out our strategy and message going forward and answer questions from supporters like you. And we'll unveil the next actions we'll organize together.

This is a critical time in this President's administration, and in the history of our country. I hope you can join us.

Here are the details:

What: Organizing for America National Health Care Forum

When: Thursday, August 20th, 2:30 p.m. Eastern Time

RSVP and submit a question for the President.




The President wrote to us a few weeks ago to ask us to go the extra mile this month in the fight for health insurance reform. And so far, you've stepped up in a big way: Last week, an astounding 60,000 Organizing for America volunteers stopped by representatives' and senators' local offices. You told your health care stories to staffers and members of Congress -- of losing insurance after getting laid off, of being denied coverage upon finding out about a serious illness. And you thanked those supporting real health insurance reform for all the work they've done so far.

But these local office visits were only part of the story. The D.C. media has been trumpeting coverage of town halls disrupted by angry opposition to reform. But the reality on the ground is very different. Organizing for America supporters are showing up in huge numbers at these meetings all across the country -- outnumbering opponents of reform, often by overwhelming margins.

You've organized 11,906 local events in all 50 states -- from press conferences to community discussions -- since we launched our big campaign for reform in June. And you've made hundreds of thousands of calls to Congress.

Your work so far has been incredible. But the special interests and partisan attack groups who oppose reform will not let up, and they will tell whatever lies they can to spread fear. There's a lot more work for all of us to do. This Thursday's meeting is our chance to huddle as a team, get the latest information and talk about how we're going to achieve this victory. You don't want to miss it.

Click here to RSVP and submit a question for President Obama:

http://my.barackobama.com/forum

Hope you can make it,

David Plouffe

[jenmito]

30. Thanks for the info.!

Great! :hi:

[stevedeshazer]

15. If it's on CNN, it must be true.

Okay, then.

[dsamuels0078]

28. this is it

we democrats having to be willing to lose our jobs over healthcare , the liberal dems are and now potus

[PM Martin]

17. Obama, you have the mandate to govern.

Steamroll these bastards! CRUSH THEM! This is how it is done in the Parliamentary nations!

[Botany]

18. 70% + of the people in the United States want reform w/ a public option ....

.... are we going to let the fringe egged on by the blood suckers in health care insurance industry stop
what is good for all of us?

[PM Martin]

29. With a plurality of 3 seats in the 1972 election.

Trudeau pushed forward to get what he wanted.

The Democratic party has 60% in each chamber and still cannot pass the desired reforms.
:eyes: This is embarrassing to say the least.

[buddysmellgood]

21. Well no shit. After 8 years of being locked out, they thought rapublicans would

bargain in good faith. LOL! Wake the F UP! Take the gloves off already.

[dsamuels0078]

23. repub lies

if you take away the repub lies 72% of americans support public option

[tritsofme]

27. What would a bill passed through reconciliation look like?

A provision that does not meet reconciliation's deficit reduction requirements needs 60 votes to overcome an objection.

[dsamuels0078]

31. plan

i bet this was the plan all along with conserv dems on board

[Cha]

32. I wouldn't

doubt it.

[Scarsdale Vibe]

35. If the public option saves costs then it would stay in, right?

Almost everything else that's not related to the deficit could be passed fairly easily I think. Pre-existing conditions, no rescission, no lifetime limits and cap on out of pocket costs would be difficult for the even the Republicans to demonize.

[tritsofme]

40. There may be some short term deficit increases that make it vulnerable to the Byrd Rule

Reconciliation requires deficit reduction over the short term.

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[dsamuels0078]

36. care

you can't deal with folks that hate medicare

[NYC_SKP]

38. Ooops. You can't reply to Grovelbot until you have at least 5 posts!

Just kidding. :P

Welcome to DU!

:hi:

[NYC_SKP]

39. doh.

wrong place. kick anyway.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

37. I wanna see those heads explode

Bring em ON!!!

:popcorn: :popcorn:

[NYC_SKP]

41. I strongly and enthusiastically support the "Trojan Horse Option"!!!

:evilgrin:

[ShadowLiberal]

42. Great, but the problem is that reconcilation is risky, some liberal dems have said it won't work

I can't remember who said it anymore, other than it was a fairly liberal democrat, who has previously said several months ago that reconciliation to get health care through won't work, because it'll 'come out like Swiss cheese' with all of the complex rules of reconciliation to strike out parts of it.

[dsamuels0078]

44. obama

expect obama to be in the mid 40's

[Ian David]

49. You lost. Nobody cares what you think anymore. You are powerless now. Kusu o taberu na!

Baka kuso atama, oh Baka!

[mzmolly]

43. Bill Clinton influence perhaps?

I thought that Obama would come away from the Clinton meeting on "North Korea" either re-energized to fight for a public option, or pushing us toward a compromise. I'm thinking they discussed more than North Korea tonight? :D

[Dinger]

46. Is There A Link?

Great news, but I can't find a link yet.

[jefferson_dem]

48. There are several stories out there suggesting the Dems are fed up and set to "go it alone"

NYT - http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/19/health/policy/19repubs.html?r=1&p

[Sebastian Doyle]

47. If they're going to go nuclear on the pukes, go for single payer.

Since bipartisanSHIT is out the window, no point in the compromises. Even the one we could live with. Just do what is BEST for the country. And get HR 676 scored by the CBO so there is no excuse NOT to do it.

[autorank]

50. There will be an inevitible shift to a government option now or later

The bill needs to be passed with a public option. If it's not adequate, demand will force its expansion and
that will be good. If there's no public option, then there will be one next time.

This is suicide by the Republicans, more political suicide, because events are over taking their position of
doing nothing on health care.

[jenmito]

55. I agree...

Even the polls show when the facts of a plan w/ public option are explained to people, they FAVOR it. It's the RW lies people don't like (but right now they believe).

[autorank]

58. And for the regular doctors

There is no oversight of their practice with a Medicare type plan. The insurance companies are obsessed with
bothering private practitioners, screwing them etc. Many are "out of plan" by choice in the more prosperous
areas. Medicare has a very low fraud rate, not because of meddling, but because the penalties are very serious
(HCA settled a fraud case for $1.7 bil.!). Top special doctors are concerned but something will be worked out.

It's "the end" for private insurance if there's public option. It's time!

[JCMach1]

51. Rahm needs to strong-arm the senate dems to vote for cloture or get out of the caucus

Let them vote against the bill if they MUST, but by God make the bastards vote for cloture!

[falcon97]

52. Absolutely.

Although now I'm worried with Nate Silver's analysis that there may only be 43 votes for the public option. Eek.

[paparush]

53. I'm beginning to believe that Obama gave the Rethugs enough rope to hang themselves

I'm hoping that his plan all along was for the Repugs to go on the record saying they will not support any healthcare reform and once that was in the public record, Obama and the Dems would go about the business of governing for the people.

[dsamuels0078]

54. mj

Did Morning Joe cover the nuke option

[jenmito]

56. I see there's a thread about the WH "walking this back." Don't believe it-they're just SAYING

they still want this to be bi-partisan so the Repubs. can't attack them on this.