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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 07:09 PM
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"There are few tribes more loathsome than the American right" (Guardian UK)
The Guardian (UK) - Simon Hoggart, August 15

There are few tribes more loathsome than the American right, and their vicious use of the shortcomings in the NHS to attack Barack Obama's attempts at health reform are a useful reminder.

I was thinking of this during a visit to my 91-year-old dad who is still in an NHS hospital after three weeks, recovering from a broken hip. He has had fantastic care, including a new metal hip, blood transfusions, different antibiotics to match every aspect of his condition; all administered by nurses who remain cheerful even when asked to perform tasks on men the lethal combination of pain and old age makes some in the ward exceedingly grumpy that I would not want to do for 1,000 a time. If he was in an American hospital he'd be using up half his life savings to get that standard of care, and few ordinary Americans could afford the insurance that would provide it. (This is because health insurers spend a large part of their income on PR against the "socialised medicine" and on sending pro forma letters explaining why your policy doesn't cover actual illness.) All over the US there are people whose lives are being destroyed for lack of proper health care provision, and there is no sight more odious than the rich, powerful and arrogant trying to keep it that way.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2009/aug/15/simon...
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 07:13 PM
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1. "And the few that are, live right here in merry old England".
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:03 PM
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33. What does BNP stand for?
Sounds like the David Duke of Great Brittain got himself elected.
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:20 PM
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34. BNP
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 02:34 PM by xxqqqzme
"...The British National Party (BNP) is a far-right and whites-only political party in the United Kingdom, formed as a splinter group of the British National Front by John Tyndall in 1982. The party's current chairman is Nick Griffin, himself a former national organiser of the National Front..."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party

The teabaggers, birthers, deathers and various RW rethugs would feel right at home w/ BNP, they even ban gays from being members!
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:27 PM
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36. Pretty accurate description
BNP are the British National Party; basically a neo-fascist group whose main theme is hating immigrants, but they have various other racial prejudices too. They play interesting games of trying to sound *just* respectable enough not to get banned.

Far right and disgusting.

Sometimes known as 'Bloody Nasty People'. I've been known to call then 'Bloody Nazi Pricks'.
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:36 PM
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53. And life once again imitates art.....
...V anyone?
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comrade snarky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:28 PM
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37. Not far off actually
The BNP is the British Nationalist Party.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party

They are a whites only party who want to end all non-white immigration and deport every non-white they can. Frankly with these people in charge "deport" would probably be a euphemism.

You may be thinking they sound like Nazis, well there's a reason for that. They renamed themselves the BNP in the 40s when their old name, The British Union of Fascists, became unpopular for some reason.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:01 PM
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59. LOL! Thanks to all for the answer. Snarky...
you, in particular, have entertained as well as informed. :rofl:
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 07:13 PM
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2. Simon Hoggart and I are
on the same page!
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:51 AM
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15. His columns were absolutely hilarious during the Thatcher and Major years.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 07:38 PM
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3. k&r
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 07:42 PM
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4. Their bigotry and ignorance blinds them.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 07:43 PM
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5. Good article & welcome back.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 09:44 PM
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6. The loathsome right are so loathsome on so many issues, their loathsomeness
on the health-reform issue is but a microcosm of the loathsomeness that permeates to the core of their souls. :P
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:56 AM
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26. They are the Illiterati. nt
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crazy_vanilla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 09:59 PM
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7. loathesome, what an appropriate word nt
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 10:41 PM
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8. Rec'd
"and there is no sight more odious than the rich, powerful and arrogant trying to keep it that way."

They don't even have to burn the calories to try themselves. All they have to do is get the uninformed, paranoid and confused amongst them to do the work for them which they are all too happy to do.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 11:22 PM
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9. The Ugly Americans
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:38 PM
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38. illustration here
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:29 PM
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45. "Sod off back to Jesustan"
:spray:
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tocqueville Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:37 PM
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47. sounds like BlackAdder nt
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-15-09 11:40 PM
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10. One argument I have heard used against the NHS in England
and Canada, is that the better doctors leave there for the USA to make more money because they cannot make enough in their home countries. I don't know if this is true or not?

I do know that my GP is from England. I believe she married an American and know she attended the local University to obtain her education. When I first went to her, she was new at her practice and her husband (now her ex) was very conservative and a bush fan. Her now boyfriend is a liberal democrat, and she seems much more happy about this change. She does not like the current health system in the USA and has became very angry when I could not get the care I needed because of lack of funding. When I first started going to the clinic, she told me not to worry about the bills they sent me because she knew I had no money to pay them. She said to just come to the appointments and she would try to help me get better. When we found out I had cancer, it was I who comforted her and assured her that I would be okay. :hug: We have had an eventful five years. Recently I thought she was going back to England and I informed her that she was just going to have to take me with her. ;) She said the US was her home now and she was not leaving it.

By the way, welcome back Jackeen. You have been missed.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:37 AM
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14. Howard Dean said doctors in the US are paid less than other countries
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:55 AM
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16. Of course not. Quite the reverse.The best doctors here have a more than ample sufficiency,
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 07:55 AM by Joe Chi Minh
and venality is not their prime motivation at all. It's an unwarranted insult to the profession to suggest otherwise.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:51 PM
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56. Ahem, I think many of us know at least one doctor who his venal.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 08:09 AM
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17. Why don't you ask your doctor?
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 08:10 AM by JHB
Granted she can only speak for her own motivations and perhaps a few other Brit expat doctors she may know, but it should be a perspective worth hearing.

SICKO! also touched on this to debunk it: in the time the had for it they only followed one doctor home to show off his place. He lived in a nice place with plenty of room and owned a fairly expensive car. My father was a dentist, a number of his friends were other dentists and doctors, so growing up I saw the insides of their houses at various get-togethers, though I should note that this was before McMansions started popping up. The doctor shown lived in more of a townhouse or apartment than the suburban houses I'd seen, but the insides were pretty comparable in terms of space and "nice things".

If that doctor was anywhere near representative, any who come here because "they cannot make enough money" are the ones who can never make "enough" money anywhere, because "enough" is never enough.
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:14 AM
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18. I have my moments of closeness to her as far as my treatment
but I am not that close to her. I over step my boundaries with her at times, but I would not insult her with this question. I honestly believe she cares about people and is doing her best to help them. I think I made it clear that I did not put her into a catagory of being one who came here/became a doctor for the money. She is truly a caring person.

I was just stating something I had heard and not giving a personal opinion. I believe why doctors come is as varied as why other people come here. Do some come here hoping to make more money? Probably. Just as some other tradesmen do. There is greed among all the groups.
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:56 AM
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25. Sorry, I didn't mean you should imply anything about her motives...
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 11:56 AM by JHB
...just that with an ongoing national health care debate, she'd have a more-informed-than-usual perspective. Especially in terms of sorting out actual criticisms of the NHS vs. the BS that's being flung about over here to foul the debate. Nothing you'd have to be particularly close to her to ask, just seeking an informed opinion from a professional who's seen both systems in action.
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DissedByBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:25 PM
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58. One question to ask
How much are their malpractice insurance premiums?

In this country we have doctors packing up and leaving states because premiums are sky-high. I'll have to look it up, but I remember one female obstetrician who was paying over $100,000 a year just in malpractice insurance. Couple that with her trying to pay off her college loans and all the general costs of running a small clinic she wasn't making much in the end, much less than that British doctor in Sicko. She moved to a lower-cost state.

The AMA calls about 20 states "crisis" states for medical malpractice insurance.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:59 AM
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21. Nonsense argument, and you rightly call it out
I survey and interview doctors for a living, and RARELY run into a British or Canadian doctor. Lots and lots of Indians and Russians, but Brits and Canadians? Hardly ever.

The only exception is dermatologists, many of whom are eager to be rid of their troublesome psoriasis and acne patients so they can jetison insurance and do nothing but inject botox and restyln into vain people who pay out of pocket. I HAVE noticed some Canadian transplants among the dermatologists. Yes, there are many good and caring dermatologists, but if I had to pick a specialty that was particularly grasping and money-grubbing, it would be Derms. Some of them actually have no problem admitting out loud how much they hate their psoriasis patients for taking up time they could be using on profitable cosmetic surgery. So yes, maybe Derms from the Great White North are coming down here to milk our rich and our vain. But PCPs and other specialists - no.

Another thing I've noticed is that primary care docs, the ones in the trenches, have gone from mocking health care reform to saying it can't come soon enough. Oddly enough, it's the ones deep in the Red States that are most looking forward to it. Appalachian docs are heartsick over how many in their communities are going without healthcare and are suffering. Texas docs are dealing with a 25% uninsured population.

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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:04 AM
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22. If that were true than why do we rank #37 in the quality of our medical care?
I have two friends who are GPs here in America. One makes $63,000 a year, the other makes a little less, but she does offer free care to those who can't pay. In the UK both would be making considerably more. We pay our specialists more, but the ones who could prevent problems in the first place would be better off elsewhere.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:10 PM
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28. Family GPs make roughly the same in Canada and the US. Specialists
however make more in the US. Any Canadian doctor could get a position immediately in the US, however they aren't flocking to the US. Why would that be?
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canucksawbones Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:01 PM
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39. I am a Canadian doctor
and have had lots of offers to go to the US, haven't been interested as I think I'm well paid right where I am, not super-rich, but certainly very comfortable. I'm quite happy to pay the marginally higher taxes that I pay here (as compared to the U.S.) as I think that I have a responsibility to pay into the system what my wealth allows to insure that all Canadians are afforded access to good healthcare and other public services.

On the other hand specialists can make significantly more in the US, so are likely to hot foot it to the US. Unfortunately it is a sad truth that will continue until the US curtails specialty billing. (a friend of mine making 400000 canadian a year as an orthopod went to the US and is making well into 7 figures there, I don't think his wages are justifiable, but I can't blame him.)

I should note that in Canada we have a different perspective when it comes to malpractice and how that is insured. Awards here do not come with gigantic jury derived punitive punishment. A judge calculates the award based on cost of care and productive years of life lost. (In other words a patient can't profit from an award, he can only expect to be paid for his lost productivity and costs of future care etc. and possibly legal costs) We also have a single insurer that covers legal issues called the CMPA that provides legal advice, lawyers dedicated to our interests (who are kept on retainer by the CMPA), and pay out any financial awards to patients. I would note that in malpractice complaints in Canada, less than 20% end up with monetary awards to patients and of those less than 10% are ever heard in court...the remaining settled out of court (the CMPA has a number of types of malpractice issues that are considered "indefensible", the CMPA in these cases will simply negotiate an appropriate award that essentially saves both the patient and the CMPA time and money).

The above difference in the way legal awards are provided, and the fact that we have an essentially not for profit insurance system for physician malpractice means that we Canadian physicians have lower overhead than our American counterparts (We also deal with a single payer, meaning I don't have to fight with insurance companies to get paid, or get approval. I simply submit my day's billings over the computer each day and collect a paycheck every other week...nobody between the patient and myself, simple, efficient and low cost)

To sum up, I think Canadian physicians in general have less hassles to deal with, lower overhead and have less restrictions in how we can provide care for our patients. We may make less, but we keep a higher percentage of what we do make. For specialists there is a bigger financial incentive than GPs (whom have little financial incentive to move). This particular GP brings home over 100,000 canadian after all overhead and taxes have been paid, and I choose not to overwork (a GP could bring home over $200000 after overhead and taxes if he chose to work hard)

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LiberalLovinLug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:20 PM
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42. Good explanation
I was going to say much the same, but from a layman's perspective, so you've said it with better clarity and authority than I could.

Just to be honest about it, in that some disciplines of medical care they CAN make more money down South. Partly due to the big gap of the rich and poor, where some hospitals are staffed and equipped with the very best, and cater to the wealthy to pay for it.

But most doctors, even specialists, I think stay in Canada simply because it is their home country, and $100,000 (to use your example) is enough for them. Also what you mentioned about less paperwork, dealing with insurance companies etc..
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:24 PM
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52. Thanks for some facts, as you can see we get lots
distorted propaganda here from the healtcare industry and their enablers in Congress.

This post would make an excellent OP imo. The more the lies are challenged the better. As you can see we are flooded with propaganda from the healthcare industry and their enablers in Congress.

I think you made an excellent decision to stay where you are. Canada and other countries are looking more and more inviting to many Americans ~
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:38 PM
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54. If I understand you correctly about the malpractice situation,
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 06:41 PM by rebel with a cause
it would explain why health care is better in other countries. I have had several unhappy experiences with my specialist here in the USA. It seems they are so afraid of a malpractice suit that they are less than caring in certain situations.

I have found some of mine try to blame the patient when there is a problem in the outcome of their treatment plans. They make recommendations but the patient has to make the choice (ha) of what is done. Then if their 'recommendations' are wrong, they can always say it was the patient's choice/fault that things went wrong. It happened to me recently, and it blew me away because I didn't blame any of the specialist who were involved.

It turned out that I fought back and was correct with my diagnosis of the situation, which gave my GP a good laugh. But time could change all that, who knows. :shrug:
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morillon Donating Member (809 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:41 PM
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55. Sounds similar to what one of my doctors here told me.
He worked in Canada for a time and now practices in the United States. He's a specialist, so he'd fall into that category of making considerably more here than in Canada. When I told him I planned to move my whole family to Canada by 2010, he strongly encouraged me to do so and said we'd be happy there.

I will kiss the ground the day we drive across the border in our moving truck. :-)
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:12 PM
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29. "Enough" would be defined as?? THAT is the crux, methinks.
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rebel with a cause Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:11 PM
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51. "Enough" would be defined by the person in question.
Enough for me would be a pittance compared to what "enough" would be to those who are more affluent. :shrug:
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 01:17 PM
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30. British doctors make pretty good money these days; I don't think many leave for this reason.
At any rate, it sounds as though you have a great doctor. Best wishes for your health!
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 01:57 AM
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11. It's not just us.
The whole world hates them.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:05 AM
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23. Yes, they represent less than .01% of the world population,
yet we can't do anything except watch in horror as they literally kill other Americans.

Eventually we will band together and there will be no place that is safe for them. I hope I live to see it.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:39 AM
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12. Welcome to our world. Sorry y'all got dragged in.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:24 PM
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44. Everybody's gettin' into the act
I got an email from New Zealand today.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:12 AM
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13. Good article.
Thx!

K*R :)
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 09:46 AM
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19. continue finding the other perspectives n/t
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 10:23 AM
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20. This line is perfect: "All over the US there are people whose lives are being destroyed for lack of
proper health care provision, and there is no sight more odious than the rich, powerful and arrogant trying to keep it that way."
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 12:07 PM
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27. That one says it for me. nt
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Mosaic Donating Member (851 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:54 AM
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24. The Tribe
The one that wages wars for oil, war profits, and hatred in general. The one that uses corporate media to control the population, the one that wants to deny millions health care. The one that hates a black president because he's different from them. They are indeed loathsome. Thanks for the article from those who can see clearly.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 01:19 PM
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31. k&r!!!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 01:50 PM
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32. Where would we be without the Guardian? Without a progressive newspaper. nt
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DontTreadOnMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 02:27 PM
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35. Food for thought
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 02:31 PM by DontTreadOnMe
I know a few doctors personally. I live in the NYC area. Doctors salaries are usually HIGHER is more remote areas, away from big cities -- especially for specialists.

A doctor can usually make more money in a rural area than in a big city. There are exceptions, obviously an "in-demand" specialist are employed in big city major hospitals...
but if you ask those specialists, they usually also have a private office out in the burbs where they make "most" their salary.

Hospitals in remote areas offer higher salaries to recruit talent.

Most doctors make great salaries, so they can choose to live and raise their families based on personal choices, even if it is "lower" salary than the remote areas.
So working in NYC might give you a $400-500K salary, moving to Maine might get you $600K. And the cost of living og Maine vs. NYC is huge, yet some people still prefer to be in the NYC area.

I have a few friends that have gone through bidding wars from remote hospitals to recruit them. Radiologists and MRI technicians are in high demand in remote hospitals.

My point of this post is that most doctors cater to the highest bidder. Wealthier regions get the better doctors. But there is a point where these professional are making SO much salary, that
they will not go live in very remote areas, at any salary. Supply and demand - at the cost of the poor.
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Kievan Rus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:07 PM
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40. American right = the Klan, but without the sheets
I think a lot of the Obama-hatred amongst the far-right in America has one simple explanation: racism. They hate the way things are because we have a black President. The racism at a lot of these townhall protests, and among the birther movement, is obvious, shocking, and sad at the same time.
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:59 PM
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49. But Obama is half white
so they must hate him for only half the time, and they only have to wear half of a sheet.
Loathsome is right. The soft headed, armed and dangerous morans who take their marching orders from Herr Beck and Herr Limbaugh are a threat to domestic tranquility and it doesn't get much more anti American and anti Constitution.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 03:49 PM
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41. Loathsome Tribe. Great moniker for them. nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:23 PM
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43. Keep in mind this right wing influence isn't only on health care here . . .
Edited on Sun Aug-16-09 04:23 PM by defendandprotect
it also keeps our MIC/warmongering in place --

and if we don't succeed in getting single payer they eventually

knock out our SS and Medicare. Bush came close.

Bill Clinton knocked out a good part of the New Deal --

After us, won't be difficult to knock out those nations which have any

programs left!!

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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:35 PM
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46. I wonder if I could seek medical asylum in the U.K.
I also need a hip and I'm only 60 . . . and uninsured. My current wait time: forever.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 04:48 PM
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48. K & R
:thumbsup:
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Still Blue in PDX Donating Member (633 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 06:06 PM
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50. I e-mailed this to my mother-in-law.
Here's hoping that puts an end to her constant barrage of repug talking points.

Odious -- what a lovely descriptive word that is.
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Blue_Tires Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 07:24 PM
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57. kick for truth
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