My Problems with *Katy Abram*....

[vaberella]

I'm tempted to call her a paid shill or utterly misguided freak of nature.

It deals with her interview on Hardball. She says that she doesn't know much about how much money her husbands business makes and basically he provides for her and that's all that matters. Well in order to discuss with a clear head, wouldn't you want to know how this affects you? But what's interesting is that she's fully aware of their health care plan and deductibles and all that jazz.

Now I'll buy, that she's aware because she says she's a stay at home mom and as such it would be her role as the *little lady* (I say this condescendingly because of her comment about how all that matters is that her husband takes care of finances.) and takes care of the children and so is directly involved with what is going on with that. But if she's aware of that and she's talking about our health care yet she doesn't seem to get that it also directly relates to her income.

I think she's very dumb in that she's only looking at 1/3 of the situation and not the whole debate. I thought O'Donnell did a great job informing her of her lack of knowledge cause I fear that Tweety would have been rather soft on her and the way he rolls----she'd have left with not a bit of knowledge.

Also, she stood by her position that the forefathers didn't want "certain things" I felt like asking her Blacks weren't citizens...Does she believe that Blacks have no rights? But then I'd have taken the discussion to another realm. So the talk on social security and medicare was good.

In regards to her shill like appearance...I notice that many Republicans push relatively young, stay-at-home moms, who seem rather innocent-like and who push the Constitution and all that stuff but at the same time seem to be supportive entirely of the right-wing talking points---mainly invoking the Constitution and the forefathers.


Maybe I'm just getting sensitive to all this shit...actually I know I'm way to hypersensitive to this because it's all with a racist undertone or overtone (depending on outlook)---even in the case of the Constitution---I'm like...yeah when the Constitution was written I was denied rights by being Black and being female---maybe she should keep quite since the Constitution wasn't that cool for White women either---worse for me but not good for her either. Added to that most of these people are pushed by Republicans also. ~sigh~

Edited for spelling and grammar. I might have more so excuse them.

[PretzelWarrior]

1. so who were the lucky 4?

[jenmito]

6. ...

:rofl:

[vaberella]

15. I get the feeling she was talking about "four" rather than "fore." n/t

[theaveng]

55. WHAT DEM. PARTY FOUNDER, JEFFERSON WOULD SAY

"The right of our fellow citizens to represent to the public functionaries their opinion on proceedings interesting to them is unquestionably a constitutional right, often useful, sometimes necessary, and will always be respectfully acknowledged by me." --Thomas Jefferson to the New Haven Committee, 1801. ME 10:269

I don't think we should be criticizing and ripping-apart Miss Abram.
Yeah okay so she's a stay-at-home mom, and a typical product of the government schools.
So what?
Does that justify us Democrats ripping her apart? In my opinion - no.

[gratuitous]

56. Wow, are you a medium?

Tearing a quote, shorn of context, out of a career of voluminous writing, hardly qualifies as "what . . . Jefferson would say." And how do you know that Ms. Abrams went to "government schools"?

"Ripping her apart" has nothing to do with her expressing her opinion, but everything to do with that opinion's know-nothing basis. Uninformed opinion-spouting is hardly what Jefferson was talking about in your little excerpt.

Something smells here, and it isn't freedom.

[lapfog_1]

2. She was complaining about the amount of taxes that their small business pays

Now, if that is employee payroll tax, workman's comp, etc... tough noogies. That's the cost of doing business.

If, on the other hand, she is complaining about the taxes her husband (and possibly her) pay on their salary...
then they have a really stupid accountant. It's relatively easy (and legal) for them to pay only 15% on every dollar they collectively suck out of their business. Just like Warren Buffett.

[AspenRose]

3. An embarrassment

FWIW, I'm a stay at home mom too....and *I'm* the one who does the finances.

[vaberella]

18. That's how I'm aware of it.

My mum had to do the finances too as a stay at home mum. This was why I was condescending to her situation, because for her to say she doesn't know but her husband takes care of the financial details---blew my mind. I figured all stay at home mums focus a lot on budget...since they are in control of the whole household. She's an idiot.

[Mz Pip]

4. Oh the things that we take for granted

that aren't in the original Constitution put forth by our forefathers.. Like women voting. :eyes: I wonder if she'd like to give up that as well.

We do live in stasis. Our society evolves, hopefully for the betterment of all. I would like to believe that we are better off now then we were back in the late 1700s.

[WinkyDink]

She seemed to me to be a brain-washed, under-thumb naif.

[radiclib]

5. I apologize for being a jerk, but

It's 'forefathers', and there were more than four of 'em. Your points are well taken, though.
:hi:

[vaberella]

13. I made an excuse about my spelling errors...I'm all over the place with it . Thanks.

[Dennis Donovan]

7. Four Fathers? Are you riffing on my post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6289281&mesg_id=6289318

My guess is/was that she couldn't even name FOUR of the founding fathers!

:rofl:

Kidding you, of course!:hi: Great post! Recommended!:thumbsup:

[vaberella]

9. I didn't see your post. Sorry. But yeah, she said that several times.

I'd love it if she did name Lincoln....I think Tweety would have asked her that question though, at least I know Katie Couric would.

[skygazer]

8. She also says they pay too much in taxes

If she doesn't know what their income is, how does she know it's too much? Because her husband tells her?


I don't know if she's a shill or simply a racist susceptible to all the scary scenarios that are out there now that we have a *gasp* black president. Which as far as I'm concerned is the real elephant in the room here and I wish more "journalists" would address that. Either way, she's a perfect example of the clueless, talking-point-spouting imbeciles cluttering the airwaves with their "spontaneous grassroots concerns." :eyes:

[fifthoffive]

51. When Larry O asked her

why she never got interested in politics before now, I thought he was subtly pointing out that the difference now is that the current POTUS is black.

Some of these people may not even have enough self-awareness to understand the root cause of their unease, but racism, or at least fear of the "other," is the most likely answer.

[jenmito]

10. She knew NOTHING without her talking points page to read from. She couldn't even say whether she's

for Medicare and Social Security or not!

[vaberella]

16. Yeah, she was like..."I don't want to say." WTF?!

How do you not "want to say" but you do say, "the systematic downfall of the nation." Well explain to me in detail what is the systematic downfall? If her parents are reaching that age for medicaid and social security then she tell her family to forfeit those two things because that's socialism. She's an utter buffoon, if she can't make her argument clear---and apparently she's all over the place with her reasoning.

[jenmito]

21. She clearly was just repeating Glenn Beck's talking points. She rambled on like

Sarah Palin, going on about how she stayed over her friend's house last night and they talked politics, blah blah blah.

[jenmito]

11. K&R for writing such a detailed account of the segment.

:hi:

[jenmito]

12. Here it is on youtube already:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzCoPh8DZ7M

[vaberella]

14. They moved fast. Ugh...hearing her again gets me annoyed.

She's anti cash-for-clunkers. That is to save the environment for her children...what's wrong with her. And the taxes...but she doesn't know her income. She's a fool.

[jenmito]

17. Yup. And she was soooo passionate yesterday when she doesn't have a clue what she's

talking about! She only repeats the RW code words and phrases-"forefathers," "we're losing our freedoms," "we need to follow the Constitution," "we're turning into a Socialist country," blah blah blah. Then she says today that she doesn't know whether to say yes or no when asked if she'd like to get rid of Medicare and Social Security. :eyes:

[vaberella]

19. Okay so she's a paid shill at this point. Wow. Just wow. n/t

[jenmito]

23. She MUST be. n/t

[burning rain]

42. She's shown that combination of ignorance & smug certitude...

that makes many of the stupider righties so dismally annoying.

[CBHagman]

48. Oy, hiding behind symbols.

In my experience the weaker and more muddled the speaker, the more likely he/she is to start pulling out symbols -- babies! Veterans! The Founding Fathers! -- in order to hide the fact that he/she doesn't have the least clue.

[Cass]

24. I missed both runs of Hardball today so thank you for that video!

I am shocked at what I just saw. She was so uninformed and clueless it was painful to watch.

:wow:

[jenmito]

25. No problem...

so was I. She was like a school kid who had a test and didn't study. Or worse.

[me b zola]

49. Tea baggers and industry shills have taken over the comment section

[Uzybone]

20. it is like a cult

repeating talking points without thinking for one millisecond about what it means.

[BlooInBloo]

22. My only problem: she is actually the average American.

[Cass]

26. She looked like a deer in the headlights when O'Donnell hit her between the eyes about

taking the country back to the original constitution and how the medicare and social security programs are socialism.

I was embarrassed for her - it was painful to watch. Even though O'Donnell exposed her as an uninformed airhead he treated her very nicely so the wingers can't whine that he was mean to poor little Katie.

[Saturday]

27. Katy the plumber. nt

[TheKentuckian]

28. Not a shill exactly but just a know nothing parrot of her husband and his buddy's

talking points from Ron Paul's site or whatever. She didn't have the dishonesty of a pro shill and in fact did not even have her ideology internalized in any real way. If she is a shill then they just picked her off the street to fit an image because she's not even indoctrinated yet.

[JI7]

29. she is ok with her Husband taking care of things , she would probably have been ok back then

since through her husband she would still have had many advantages that non whites didn't have.

she is a racist for sure. the interview disgusted me.

i was so angry i made a thread on this while watching her on hardball.

[Blue For You]

30. Shit, I thought they wanted to go back to the 1950s...

She's talking 1700s! Why doesn't she hook up with the Amish (although they're into the hedonistic 1800s)?

[seabeckind]

31. I think she knows pretty close what the income is

and it isn't the same as what they report to the IRS. Her body language when the question was asked said a whole lot. She knew very close the other family finances, why not the income?

If she has such a thorn with taxes, I'd be willing to bet they do some fudging. Especially if her husband's an employer.

on edit: She isn't a paid shill...she sounds exactly like every other right-wing small business person...they'd be so much more successful if they could just get rid of that minimum wage.

[seabeckind]

32. And after some thought

I didn't see the whole interview and I don't know all the particulars but if her husband runs a small business, they are probably very concerned that the healthcare bill will hit them for some additional costs to cover their employees.

Am I assuming correctly? If so, was the question asked -- does she have a dog in the fight?

That is one of the big concerns I'm hearing from the little bidness guys. They say it's the usual right wing talking point reasons but it's really about money for them.

[seabeckind]

33. Just watched the utube -- thanks.

Yep, they make over the $250. Typical right wing greedy -- everybody else should take care of everybody else and they are just fine on their own.

So what's her hubby's bidness? Independent insurance?

[madamesilverspurs]

34. Wow, and all this time I thought that

Stepford was a fictional place.

[Third Doctor]

35. she doesn't know what she's talking about

She said that she did't want this country to be a socialist country like Russia. Ummm Russia under the present regime is pretty capitalistic so she's about 20 years behind and thinking about the Soviet Union that does not exist anymore. She also looked askance when O'Donnel told her that medicare is a socialized single payer program and did she want her parents to lose it? She's not a shill, she's just fucking ignorant.

[Jennicut]

36. As a relatively young stay at home Mom myself she disgusts me

I know exactly how much my husband makes a year...I am the one that does the taxes! Ridiculous that she does not know that. Its like a facepalm moment. She is easily manipulated as her husband was a conservative and simply told her to be one too. I wonder what would have happened to her if she decided not to become one for her hubby. :scared:

[opihimoimoi]

37. A PUB TOOL she is

[Rectangle]

38. The Founding Fathers were OK with slavery --Should we bring

that back too??:shrug:

[trayfoot]

39. She did not impress me at all......................

I think her recent popularity is due to the fact that she is "cute", and that she is the stereotypical "little woman". She seemed entirely ignorant of the situation concerning healthcare. I'm glad Lawrence tagged her with wanting to repeal Social Security and Medicare, since the Constitution did not specifically mention those two programs. Having taught the U.S. Government for over 3 decades, I am shocked to see the stupidity and ignorance of people where the Constitution is concerned. It is apparent that MOST of these right wingers have never read/studied the document. They just like to "USE" it as a buzzword. These people are PATHETIC!

[gauguin57]

40. I keep wondering what healthcare reform has to do with the Constitution, anyway.

She wants the country the way the founding fathers created it ... in the Constitution. But what -- in any of the discussions of any of the possible aspects of healthcare reform -- defies the Constitution? Has Katy explained that? What in the hell is she talking about, and why is anyone giving her the time of day?

I keep wondering why these news shows keep putting people on the air who have no idea what they're talking about? Because the shows feel "ordinary Americans should have their say"? Well then ... give the air time to "ordinary Americans" who have some idea of WHAT THE FUCK THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT!!

[trayfoot]

41. AMEN!

[BlueIdaho]

43. I hear Katy puts out... nt.

[vaberella]

44. Channeling a John Hughes (RIP) teen flick?!

:P

[BlueIdaho]

46. Think if it as an homage... nt.

[NatBurner]

45. this part perplexed me as well:

"But what's interesting is that she's fully aware of their health care plan and deductibles and all that jazz."

she claims not to know whether hubby dear makes over 250k or not (i'd wager on 'not'), yet she can give detailed info on how much they payed on health care

right

i think she damn well knows how much the mister clears in a year- she just didn't want o'donnell to hit her with the (well-known) fact that obama doesn't intend to raise taxes on ppl making less than a quarter mil

i won't even comment on the rest of her piss-poor palinesque performance (excuse the alliteration; i wasn't even trying lol)

lawrence was too easy on her, imo

[depakid]

47. Perhaps the question might be why she's on hardball at all

What- other than a nonsensical rant has she done to deserve it?

[PA Democrat]

50. She's outraged by TARP and Cash for Clunkers, but war? Meh!

According to Katy Kool-Aid she hasn't really been paying attention to wars because it's like we're always involved in some war. 9-11 didn't awaken Katy Kool-Aid's interest in politics, neither did the war in Afghanistan or the invasion of Iraq based upon lies.

When O'Donnell asked her about Medicare and Social Security her faced scrunched up in an agonizing display of her mental efforts, but she just COULDN'T come up with anything to say Zip, nada. It was beyond her mental capacity. No wonder she is a Glen Beck fan. She's a moron.

[fifthoffive]

53. And TARP was passed

under Boosh.

[PA Democrat]

54. Thank you. I should have mentioned that.

[fifthoffive]

52. She thinks the people

should take care of the poor, not the government. Heck, the most efficient way for someone to help the poor is to pay taxes to the government to support programs that can help millions rather than just that one family from your church who fell on hard times.