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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 02:55 PM
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The "advanced care planning" amend. was proposed by republicans
I didn't know that. Why aren't the dems pushing back on that saying "the 'killing old people' provision was introduced by Johnny Isakson (R-Ga) talk to him about it"?


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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 02:58 PM
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1. Are you kidding ~ Wow!
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 03:00 PM
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2. Do you have a link?
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 03:09 PM
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5. link
For the record, what's being proposed in Washington is not government-run health care. And for the record, the health care reform as a "secret plot to kill old people" conspiracy theory is based on the fact that health legislation being debated now would cover living wills. So, if you wanted a living will, the process of getting one would be covered. That provision was introduced into the health care debate by Republicans, including Senator Johnny Isakson of Georgia.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32315185/ns/msnbc_tv-rachel...
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 03:17 PM
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7. better link
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femmocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 03:00 PM
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3. Great idea, and refer to it as "The Isakson Amendment".
Let that coward come out and face his own mob!
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 03:08 PM
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4. Yep.. and our side lets Palin and that crew get away with it..because bashing Obama, Pelosi, Clinton
Dean, Rahm.. etc. gets us so much further?? I sometimes wonder why we need enemies when our friends are so willing to toss the party under the bus

Go figure :shrug:
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 03:21 PM
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9. Our side has let them get away with it largely because we were unaware.
I didn't know it until Rachel Maddow mentioned it last night. Now the knowlege is spreading. It will be turned back on them.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 04:48 PM
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16. Yep. And it never ceases, never, ever.
There's some consolation in knowing that I'm not the only one who sees this.

:hug:
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 05:11 PM
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18. I hear that
:hug:
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imnKOgnito Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 03:13 PM
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6. Kinda makes one wonder...
if that was the plan.
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FatDave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 03:19 PM
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8. I don't think they're capable of thinking that far ahead.
They've clearly been winging it since at least 2006.
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imnKOgnito Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 03:24 PM
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10. I never underestimate the ability of Republicans
to be completely shameless sleezebags. It's something they've mastered and an ability they won't lose any time soon.
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 03:47 PM
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13. Welcome to DU!
:hi:
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imnKOgnito Donating Member (132 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 04:17 PM
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15. Even as a Seahawks fan...
I give thanks for the warm welcome. ;-)
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 03:28 PM
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11. This doesn't sound right
The section being cited is from the the House bill.

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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 03:32 PM
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12. Yikes.

Hope the point can be clarified in this thread.
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 04:04 PM
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14. He may have put it into the Senate HELP bill
And then the House copied it, but I'm just speculating here.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 05:17 PM
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20. From the National Hospice and Palliative Care Org web site:
In the HELP Committee Proposal, Affordable Health Care Choices Act:

1. Allows for utilization of CLASS Independent Benefit Plan for advance care planning (Agreed to Isakson Amdt)

Within the establishment for a national voluntary insurance program for purchasing Community Living Assistance Services and Support (CLASS) available to individuals with functional limitations, program funds can be used for advance care planning.

(link above)

So it sounds like the Senate adopted an amendment which basically adopts the House version? Or at least the ACP portion of it?

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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 04:51 PM
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17. I heard one Dem Rep saying that on Tweety's show last week.
Edited on Sat Aug-08-09 04:52 PM by Phx_Dem
But Tweety is too busy stoking the flames to be concerned about using his (cough) "news" show to inform the ignorant masses about the facts.
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 05:14 PM
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19. Bet the ranch this was planned
They had the talking points printed up before this was even proposed. Repubs are sneaky. Remember Watergate.
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TTUBatfan2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 05:33 PM
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21. The links in this thread aren't good enough...
Anyone got an actual news source with this? I'm trying to discuss this issue at another forum and I'm sure I will be asked for a link.
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 09:20 PM
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22. I wonder if it was planted just to give the wingnuts ammo.
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Hansel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-08-09 10:41 PM
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23. I thought it was Earl Blumenauer of Oregon's bill
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