So, my crazy sister is going on a bus to DC on 9/11 to protest

[DevonRex]

taxes. She says she's all about states' rights now. And that she doesn't really want a civil war because people would die. The way she went on and on about it made it obvious that she would be fine with it if there were a civil war. She's really happy about the states that have passed sovereignty resolutions. She wonders if South Carolina will be the first to secede this time, too. And she said that of course she's worried that health care reform will mean putting our seniors to death.

She's so far gone that obviously there's nothing I can say to change her mind - what little there is left of it. I may have to tell her that I don't want to hear this stuff anymore. She knows full well that I'm a liberal democrat but she keeps pushing these discussions quite deliberately. If I tell her to knock it off she might not speak to me again.

What would you do?

[Wickerman]

1. You might one time ask her how much revenue SC brings in from the Fed

and if they would like to give that up.

[DevonRex]

5. I think I will email her with some stats and ask her just that.

The reply won't be coherent but at least I will have tried.

[ladjf]

2. I believe that she is either crazy, dumb or just playing around about

the tax issue.

And you might suggest that she familiarize herself with the devastation caused by the Civil War. I wouldn't think that anyone would want to try something like that again.

[Renew Deal]

3. You should ask her if the bus will use only privately funded roads.

:shrug:

[VWolf]

4. Tell her to knock it off

Let the chips fall where they may.

[DevonRex]

13. I have tried so hard to keep the peace but at some point there's

no use if the other person refuses to do the same thing. I have stood up to her for her hatred of gays but mostly I've let the other stuff slide. I think the talk of civil war might just be my breaking point.

[VWolf]

18. Ah, hatred of gays too?

What a warm, lovely person she must be.
:sarcasm:

[DevonRex]

37. What's awful in addition to her ideas, is that she used to be a warm

loving person. Ever since Bush was selected she has been a nut. It's just horrible to find out that a person who you've always loved has turned into a hateful crazy bigot.

[cleveramerican]

6. tell how horribly wrong she is

politely with a smile.

you should probably include the phrase"tinfoil hats"

[MADem]

7. States' Rights, eh? So she'll be happy when all of the states endorse gay marriage, then?

And legalize pot? It's the feds that are raining on those parades, now, isn't it?

After all, she's FOR states' rights, now, isn't she?

Throw that at her, and watch her head explode. Then shake your head sadly, and simply walk away from political discussions with her.

She's an idiot, but she's your sister. You only have one family. Try to avoid political talk in the future.

[DevonRex]

9. Ooh boy. She's a Dobson follower, maybe even worse than HE is.

That's one issue that I will NOT let her get away with, though. I don't tolerate bigotry, especially from so-called born agains.

[Thrill]

31. Well you know how it is. I'm for states rights except for when it comes to them damn gays

Republicans are such Hypocrites

[DevonRex]

41. Yes they are. nt

[global1]

8. What Group Is Organizing This Protest Effort & Is It National In Scope?......

Why is it that a protest like this will get support and will probably get media attention - but we can't organize to get health reform or end a war?

[DevonRex]

10. I don't know what group it is. I'm afraid to google it. No telling what

other batshit crazy things I'd wind up seeing.

[wicket]

20. It's the damn tea baggers`

:eyes:

[Bolo Boffin]

11. Volunteer to watch her kids that weekend.

I'm sure Organizing for America will have a couple of functions that would be kid-friendly. :D

I kid. The best thing to do is just pointedly change the subject every time she brings up politics, like to family or how her day went or reminiscing about being kids together. You know, stuff that shows you still care about her.

[mwb970]

12. It sounds hopeless.

I don't see how you can have anything to do with her. Is she a Birther too?

[DevonRex]

15. It is really, really difficult to have anything to do with her. So much hate

for democrats, for gays, for anybody who isn't like her. She hasn't said anything about the birther stuff, yet. But I'm sure she does with other family members.

[xxqqqzme]

14. I had to do that w/ my mother.

She simply would not stop w/ the o'lielly, limpballs, hammity, blasted email garbage. I finally had to block her cuz she would not stop. Things have been a bit tense. When I was there for my dad's memorial service, she started ranting about AL GORE!!!! Al Gore, as if he had some power to do anything. She hates Pelosi after believing the email that Pelosi was going to take away her pension fund.

[DevonRex]

17. I'm sorry you have to go through this too. Thank you for letting me

know I'm not alone.

[boomerbust]

16. Show your sister

The history of Fort Sumter.

[SPedigrees]

19. Just bring up federal programs and ask if she wishes to give them up.

Like social security, roads, bridges, schools, medicare, fire fighting departments, police services, unemployment benefits, and so on...

This is the single irrefutable argument for federally funded programs: citing federal programs that benefit us all, paid for by our federal income tax dollars.

[EC]

21. I'd tell her to stop it, that she

sounds like a crazy person...

[KingFlorez]

22. Stop talking to her

I know she's family and all, but if she's going to keep talking about the same tired things over and over again, it's better to not talk to her period.

[and-justice-for-all]

23. Well if states secede then they will no longer receive any federal funding

they would be solely on their own. So if civil war was going to happen, it would because of a state that seceded.

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[and-justice-for-all]

25. If you secede from the union you will no longer get Federal

Constitutional protect.

When you LEAVE the union, you are thereby removing yourself from receiving any federal assistance. The said seceded state will have its own constitution and be solely responsible for its citizens.

[DrZeeLit]

26. Many of us have lost relatives over this election. I suppose that's the "civil" war:

we are being civil.
They are not.

I received such hateful emails from my brother that I sent one line and never opened another email.
The line:

You have ceased to be anyone I would want to know or be related to.

And somehow he got to my mother and changed the whole situation so that she thought I sent the uncivilized emails.
She is 83 and sits in her house and watches Fox News all day. Every time I come for a visit, she tries to explain how they are "fair and balanced."
She became angry at me for telling her that my brother sent the emails. She does not believe me, and she basically kicked me out of the family with one of those "you're out of the will" lines.


I've had to think long and hard about this and I've come to the conclusion that sometimes your soul is worth more than being related to someone.

I am very much at peace. All the dissonance has left the building. Thank goodness.

[DevonRex]

38. That is EXACTLY it. I feel like I'm losing a bit of my soul every time

I let her ramble on like that. At first I thought it was better to keep the peace, especially since I'm the only democrat in the family. If I opened my mouth to give an opposing view I'd have 20 people shouting me down. So I just never discussed politics with them.

But now it's gotten to the point that the ideas being tossed around are just plain evil and I can't ignore it any longer. The really awful stuff started with her hatred of gays. I didn't let that go without telling her what I thought. I couldn't have lived with myself if I had.

But now it's obvious that it's not just the religious nuts she listens to, but the political nuts too. I mean secession? :eyes:

[Hekate]

27. Woohoo! One by one the states are legalizing pot and gay marriage! Love them states' rights!

As for your sister: No more federal money for her state! No US Army, no federal contracts, no federal highway subsidies ....

Hekate

[DevonRex]

34. Funny how in the case of gay marriage, they want a federal amendment banning it.

The hypocrisy is mind numbing.

The saddest part for me is knowing that members of my own family are basically mean spirited, even evil, bigots. Not wanting to take care of the poor and sick is evil, IMO, as is not wanting people to marry for some stupid reason.

[TheKentuckian]

28. Why are the nuttiest states the ones that need the most help?

The idiots fail to realize that they'd wither on the vine without the military bases and the hefty amount of buckage siphoned off from the people they spew off about.

Except for barely Texas all the Red States are on the receiving end, if they got their ways they'd live in a wasteland.

I feel for the OP though. All of us that have a Rush listening sibling, parent, or loved one are cut off from our families either by having to pretend much or even most of what is important to us away to deal with them or there has been a split that actually cuts off communication. I'm optimistic that mine will retire soon thereby get out of the police culture and slowly return to rational.

[Politicalboi]

29. Ask her

Who is going to come to their rescue if they get taken over by Mexico's Army? Is she willing to shoot people in the streets. Is she willing to fight for her property, food, and gas? And all these stupid middle to lower income people protesting taxes for the rich is just laughable. I have a brother who is rich and does complain, but these assholes protesting for their bosses, and millionaires is funny. My brother isn't going to protest, he just complains to me. He watches Faux Noise everyday. And he's a birther too. He's counting the days LOL!

[Thrill]

30. You need to remind her, Obama gave the biggest middle class tax cut in history

What the hell is she protesting?

[DevonRex]

35. I did ask her that back in May. She and my other 2 sisters said...

"Future taxes." I repeated it, shook my head and walked away.

[PatSeg]

32. She won't respond to reason or facts

Probably too far gone. As hard as it might be, I'd cut off communication with her, at least for a while. I find it interesting that she repeatedly forces the issue knowing how you feel. Maybe she wants confrontation.

[DevonRex]

36. I have sadly come to that realization, too. She is too far gone.

And I think it's time for me to stop letting her spew her filthy ideas into my ear. I'm losing a bit of myself each time it happens.

[PatSeg]

39. That is truly sad

Obviously it is unhealthy for you and certainly isn't serving her. Perhaps she needs and maybe even expects you to finally put your foot down and say "enough". There is no way of knowing where that would lead, but you may have to do it for your own sanity.

[DevonRex]

40. Thank you. Your words mean a lot to me.

:hug:

[PatSeg]

43. You're welcome

It's not like we're talking about a casual friend or acquaintance. It is always harder when it is family.

[LaPera]

33. Some links...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/27/health-insurance-horror-s_n_245410.html

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090727/OPINION01/907270318/1002/OPINION/Insurance+companies+are+profiting+off+people+s+health

And tell her there's thousands of other links focusing the same things

[D-Lee]

42. Deepest sympathies; I'm sure it's very hard! n/t

[Veruca Salt]

44. This is what i've been doing with one of my relatives who is being a jackass:

"That's nice dear, when your at your teabagging party could you pick me up some vanilla chai?"

I'm dead serious. It throws my relative into a fit every time.

[rug]

45. Tell her she's a hypocrite if the bus takes the Interstate.

[rucky]

46. Ask her who she thinks should die.

[zulchzulu]

47. Ask your stupid, batshit sister if she has diarrhea..

Taxes pay to make our water clean.

Then ask the dumbfuck asshat if she supports the fire department, the police department, good roads... yep, those evil taxes.

As for the teabag moolyaks, nearly all of them are on Social Security or Medicare. Goverment run stuff that taxes pay for.

If she is a fucking freeloader who wants us to pay for her shit, she should admit it. At least then she would be being honest.