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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 09:40 PM
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You know who was upset about Obama saying the Cambridge police acted "stupidly"?
Those Americans that cling to religion and guns...


...you know... the teapartiers....


...you know... the red-staters that voted for McCain and will never vote for Obama, no matter what... ever.


...you know... the people I couldn't give two shits about anymore. The irrelevant redneck racist birthers who are disproportionately represented in places like Kentucky, Tennessee, and other appalachian places. (I know this, because I live in the "capital of Appalachia", Pittsburgh).


I don't care that these stars-and-bars-flying, NASCAR-watching, bible-clinging, gun-toting, illiterate racist pricks are upset that Obama said the police acted "stupidly".

You know why?

Because the police did act stupidly. And how do I know this?

Because the Cambridge police dropped the charges and issued an apology.




I'm a white guy who lives in Appalachia and I know these people. A lot of them are my relatives.
They'll be spouting off on right-wing radio for the next several days about how Obama "disrespected police officers everywhere".

No... he called out the Cambridge police for acting stupid... when they indeed acted stupid.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 09:42 PM
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1. I wonder if Obama ever had any run-ins with the Cambridge cops.
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 09:45 PM
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5. That's exactly what I said to my mother just now
He probably had a scuffle or two with them also.
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Lorax7844 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 01:11 PM
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46. but you know who loses with this distraction, ALL OF US!
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 10:00 PM
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18. Very high chance of that.
Love Cambridge. Harvard square is great for people-watching.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 09:42 PM
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2. The police will think twice before racial profiling
that goes for police all over the land. You have your orders. No racial profiling!
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 09:49 PM
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9. I don't believe this had anything to do with racial profiling.
The officer's actions (while they may have been inappropriate) were due to Gates' behavior, not his race.

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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 09:53 PM
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11. I don't know
that happens too much around this town
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 09:57 PM
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15. After he showed ID this issue should've been closed and it wasn't, after ID I would've been pissed 2
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 10:07 PM
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19. Here's how a lot of cops (justifiably) would have handled things:
Police respond to a complaint of a possible break-in. They approach the door and notice a mark that indicates a possible break-in (shoe print on the door). They knock and a man answers. They ask him to step outside and he refuses. They ask him for identification and he says he'll go get it...and closes the door and walks away.

The preceding is exactly what happened according to Gates' own statements. Starting from this point, the police would have been completely justified in forcing open the door and restraining Gates until ascertaining his identity. They didn't.

Yes, arresting him may have been inappropriate, but Gates' actions certainly were unwise, too.

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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 10:50 PM
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25. You're leaving out the part where Gates showed his ID and they arrested him AFTER he showed it to...
...them.

I do think that fact is germaine to the situation
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 10:54 PM
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27. Actually my point is moot because Gates' account was apparently not complete.
According to Gates' attorney, the officer DID follow Gates inside to retrieve his ID...which would make the whole "forcing the door and restraining Gates" thing kind of unnecessary.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 10:55 PM
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28. The uppity professor showed TWO IDs--and that still wasn't enough for the SGT.
A Harvard photo ID and a valid MA driver's license with a photo of the professor, his name, and the address of the house they were standing in imprinted thereon.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 10:00 PM
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17. If Gates were white, the officer would never have behaved in a way
resulting in Gates getting angry. The officer called in back-up from Cambridge and Harvard security after he saw Gates' ID!
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 10:31 PM
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23. I disagree,
By Gates' own statement, he refused to step outside when asked to and closed the door on the officer and walked away to get his ID.

In a situation where Gates could have been an intruder, I'd argue that the officer showed an unwise excess of restraint by not forcing the door open and restraining Gates before he could walk away.
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 11:00 PM
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31. thats fact
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 10:53 PM
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26. No, they weren't. nt
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 09:43 PM
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3. Don't fool yourself. There are some dumb ass Dems
who'll be saying the same thing.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 09:44 PM
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4. Those are the ones that voted for McCain....
...
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 09:45 PM
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6. Gates didn't say they acted 'stupidly,' I think.
Said he's glad they attended to questionable stuff going on at his house. SO, initially at least, they weren't 'stupid.' Just after they were offered his i.d., and THEN arrested him?
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 10:00 PM
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16. RIGHT!!! After showing them ID I'd be pissed to the point of wanting to sue also
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 09:46 PM
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7. such is true
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 09:47 PM
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8. Gates "acted stupidly" too.
Not supporting their decision to arrest Gates, but Gates (by his own admission) viewed this as a racial and/or authoritarian issue from the moment the police knocked on his door.

Gates made this situation a lot more difficult than it had to be...and the police reacted to that inappropriately (using Gates' own statements as the sole evidence).

http://www.theroot.com/views/skip-gates-speaks?page=0,0
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 09:50 PM
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10. Aw please. Get off it. The man was in his own damn home.
Enough with the bullshit.

All he did was ask for the motherfucker's name.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 09:56 PM
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13. True, but the police didn't know that. They were responding to a complaint of a possible break-in.
As I said, (even solely using Gates' version of events) BOTH parties acted inappropriately.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 10:57 PM
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29. They DID know it. They knew it as soon as he showed them TWO IDs. nt
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countingbluecars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 09:57 PM
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14. Are you a black man?
I'm betting he has good reason to view this as a racial issue.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 10:10 PM
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20. I posted this above...I'll post it again.
Police respond to a complaint of a possible break-in. They approach the door and notice a mark that indicates a possible break-in (shoe print on the door). They knock and a man answers. They ask him to step outside and he refuses. They ask him for identification and he says he'll go get it...and closes the door and walks away.

The preceding is exactly what happened according to Gates' own statements. Starting from this point, the police would have been completely justified in forcing open the door and restraining Gates until ascertaining his identity. They didn't.

Gates' actions were suspicious and his accusations of racism no doubt pissed the cop off. I don't support the decision to arrest him, but the request for ID was valid (not racially motivated) and the arrest was because Gates was being an ass (not racially motivated).
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 10:58 PM
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30. Because burglars are typically elderly men using canes. Please. nt
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AuntPatsy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 10:12 PM
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22. I dont agree,
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 01:29 PM
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47. SO THE FUCK WHAT?!?
The cop is there in the official capacity, once his obligation to duty is met then he is obligated to get the fuck outta Dodge. I fail to see why Gates' demeanor or lack of courtesy is relevant. All I see is a public employee who like his brothers and sisters fails to understand his place or the behavior of a public servant entrusted with peacekeeping.
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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 09:55 PM
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12. Bingo.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 10:11 PM
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21. Do not forget the ones who said Michelle was "angry"
and wondered why she didn't love America.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 10:42 PM
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24. I bet glen beck, lou dobbs,
limpdick, hannity, etc, etc, etc..are shitting brickloads right now.

Fuck 'em if they handle the truth.
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mrbarber Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 01:07 PM
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44. And don't forget MercutioATC..
Who thinks Gates was in the wrong.
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angee_is_mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 11:01 PM
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32. Don't forget Bitter Americans
who are upset with Uppity Negroes.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 11:03 PM
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33. I think Obama was unjustified. nt.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 11:13 PM
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34. Why?
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 11:19 PM
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35. Because he is the President. Upon further review,
I think that I was wrong and that race played a significant role in this. However, tact is tact.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 11:20 PM
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36. tact is tact..... but truth is truth

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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 11:22 PM
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37. And red is red.
Edited on Wed Jul-22-09 11:24 PM by Hosnon
Do you go around telling nothing but the truth, consequences be damned? Obama certainly doesn't, because he's smarter than that.

Edit: And, by the way, good job missing the olive branch.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 11:25 PM
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38. I happen to think Obama showed great restraint in his answer...
...it was professorial, with the exception of the word "stupidly".

we just disagree, that's all. Didn't miss any "olive branch"... I'm not fighting with you.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 11:27 PM
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39. Right. His response was good, except for "stupidity". What was the original question? nt.
Edited on Wed Jul-22-09 11:27 PM by Hosnon
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 11:31 PM
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40. Questioner asked him for his reaction to Gates arrest.....
...so he gave his reaction.
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Hosnon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 11:32 PM
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41. No, I meant your original question. Which was: "Why?"
To my assertion that his calling the actions "stupid" was unjustified...with which you agreed.
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mrbarber Donating Member (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 01:10 PM
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45. The actions of the officer were stupid enough...
That not only were all files dropped, but an apology was issued.

An apology. You know, an admittance of incorrect behavior. Behavior that could be classified as "stupid", seeing as how much time and manpower went into handling this case.

And keep the olive branch. I'm not interested in your apologist attitudes and your hand wringing for "tact". Truth is truth. Don't like it, go bury your head in the sand.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-22-09 11:36 PM
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42. Rex_Goodheart
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 12:30 AM
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43. Yep!! lolol And DoctorNoEyes
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laureloak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 01:30 PM
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48. I'm not one of those guys yet I thought BO was totally uncool. nt
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