She never said "FAKE" e-mail CNN

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/15/60II/main643768.shtml

Somebody show me where she said fake.

"Killian's secretary, Marian Carr Knox, describes herself as Killian's "right hand" during much of the 1970s."

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"she believes the documents we obtained are not authentic."

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"She told Correspondent Dan Rather that she believes what the documents actually say is exactly as we reported."

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"Knox says she didn’t type these memos, but she says she did type ones that contained the same information."

“I know that I didn’t type them," says Knox. "However, the information in those is correct.”

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"Knox says the information in the four memos that CBS obtained is very familiar, but she doesn't believe the memos are authentic. She does, however, remember Killian being upset over Mr. Bush's failure to take a physical."

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“Did or did not Lt. Bush take a physical as ordered by Col. Killian,” Rather asks Knox.
“The last time, no he didn’t,” says Knox. “It was a big no-no to not follow orders. And I can’t remember anyone refusing to. Now for instance, with the physical, every officer knew that before his birthday he was supposed to have that flying physical. Once in a while they might be late, but there would be a good excuse for it and let the commander know and try to set up a date for a make-up. If they did not take that physical, they were off flying status until they did.”

Did Knox ever hear Killian talk about this, or did he write memos about Bush not taking the physical?

“He was upset about it. That was one of the reasons why he wrote a memo directing him to go take the physical,” says Knox. “I’m going to say this, but it seems to me that Bush felt that he was above reproach.”

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"But did Lt. Bush get into the National Guard on the basis of preferential treatment?

“I'm going to say that he did,” says Knox. “I feel that he did, because there were a lot other boys in there in the same way."

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"Knox says that Killian started what she calls a "cover-your-back" file -- a personal file where he stored the memos about the problems with Mr. Bush's performance, his failure to take a physical, and the pressure Killian felt from upstairs."

She addressed one memo, and a reference to retired Gen. Staudt pushing for a positive officer training report on Lt. Bush.

"’Staudt is pushing to sugar coat it.’ Does that sound like Col. Killian? Is that the way it felt,” Rather asked Knox.

“That's absolutely the way he felt about that," says Knox.

She also talked about another memo which she doesn’t believe is authentic -- but she says the facts behind it are very real.

“It's just like a personal journal,” says Knox. “You write things. It was more or less that.”

“These memos were not memos that you typed, and you don’t think they came directly out of his files,” Rather asked Knox.

“The information, yes,” says Knox. “It seems that somebody did see those memos, and then tried to reproduce and maybe changed them enough so that he wouldn’t get in trouble over it.”
Knox says the fact that then-Lt. Bush was repeatedly missing drills was not lost on his fellow pilots.

“They missed him. It was sort of gossip around there, and they'd snicker and so forth about what he was getting away with,” says Knox. “I guess there was even a resentment."

She told 60 Minutes again and again that she believed Lt. Bush refused a direct order to take a physical.

“Col. Killian’s son says that this isn’t true,” says Rather.

"He has no way of knowing whether that is true or not," says Knox.

Knox says that working in a senate campaign in 1972 became more important to Mr. Bush than flying for the Guard.

"I think it is plain and simple. Bush didn't think that he had to go by the rules that others did,” says Knox.

[Bleacher Creature]

1. I know it's late, but . . .

I'm not sure I'm following you on this one.

[nomatrix]

5. 86 yr. old Knox said

she doesn't believe they are authentic.

She never said FAKE. She doesn't know for a fact that Killian didn't type this memo for his own "cover his ass" records.

She said it didn't look like the one she typed, but the information is correct.


CNN is reported she called it a "fake". She didn't.

[nomatrix]

2. Please Mod's there has been TOO many threads

saying fake documents.

Unless people can read what she said, they will continue to rewrite what they thought she said.

I'm sure CBS won't mind.

[kestrel91316]

3. KEEP HAMMERING THIS POINT!

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4. Lou Dobbs tonight

CNN Jeanne Meserve on the "story".

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0409/20/ldt.00.html

"MESERVE: Within hours of the broadcast, questions about the documents' authenticity began to surface. For a week, Rather and his network stood by the story, though on September 15, they aired an interview with the former secretary of Jerry Killian, who called the documents fake. And CBS acknowledged for the first time there were legitimate questions.


DOBBS: Jeanne, to make certain documents are authentic seems to be rather straightforwardly obvious for anyone in our craft. The bottom line is here that, one, the documents were fake, and two, their principal source lied. Is that correct?

MESERVE: Well, that -- that's making some assumptions that I'm not quite willing to make here. We haven't heard from Mr. Burkett yet, to hear his version of the events and hear how things may have transpired. We aren't certain they're forgeries at this point in time, we're just not certain they're authentic, either. So there's still a lot of unanswered questions here, Lou."

I am about to email CNN to ask Meserve why she flip-flops her reports.

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7. My email to Lou Dobbs

Lou,
Re "Guarding" your show September 20th; Jeanne Meserve reported the CBS story of the Killian memo's.

Her quote "They aired an interview with the former secretary of Jerry Killian, who called the documents fake."

I have reviewed Ms. Knox interview, and she never used the word "fake."

I challenge Jeanne to go back and review the words Ms. Knox used. If you find she said "fake" I apologize for my error.

On the other had, when Lou caught your error, you should have immediately corrected your quote.

Lou, great work. Your show continues to keep it real.

[NYC]

6. Write to CBS about this.

They have been receiving a lot of negative emails. Remind them that Ms. Carr Knox did NOT call the memoes "fake". (I heard her interview with my own ears.)

[email protected]

[nomatrix]

8. Just did. I wish every one would

We are smart enough to know, after the past four years, the meaning of the word "FAKE"!

[SoCalDemocrat]

9. I don't care if she said "fake" or not

How is she qualified to tell whether those 35 year old documents are authentic or not? Is she a forensics expert? How many memo's has she typed? Could she possibly remember the details of them all? The only testimony she can give is to whether or not she remembers typing them.

Also, CBS did not say they were fake. CBS said they could not authenticate them. That means they could be authentic, or they could be forged, there's no way to discern.

[WoodyD]

10. He's still an AWOL asshole

Her testimony is actually pretty damning. She may not have typed these particular documents, but she can testify that the *information* they contain is accurate. That's what matters, and that's what's getting lost in all the crapola about typefaces and superscripts. She plainly says "Yes, this is what happened and everyone knew about it." And it all fits in with what everyone else says about Dubya -- he was a rich, spoiled brat who didn't have to play by the rules, and supported other kids going off to die as long as he didn't have to go with them.

I just wish the press would get off the documents and get after the FACTS.