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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 05:58 PM
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"What Happens if Obama Loses the Left?" (Or, It has only been five months, Part II)

What Happens if Obama Loses the Left?

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But the Issue-Left?

Oh, they are not happy at all!

And there are PLENTY of them.

There are the Financial Issue People, who...for some unknown reason....object to giving away hundreds of Billions of dollars to corporate interests and the bankers who crashed the economy.

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The Civil Liberties Issue people, people like Russ Feingold over continuing Bush's wiretapping program.

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The Environmental Issue People, who are pissed at his continuation of mountain top removal and the....in the face of the reality we are facing especially...weak efforts to address it.

The Environmental Issue People, who are pissed at his continuation of mountain top removal and the....in the face of the reality we are facing especially...weak efforts to address it.

The Anti-War Issue People, who are just seeing more of the same, escalation in Afghanistan with a VERY suspect new commander and now, perhaps, even waffling on getting out of Iraq on the timetable that Obama ran on. (and yes I know, he waffled then too)

The Human Rights Issues People....Torture. And again, actively fighting to let the past administration to get away with it. I can tell you that these people are VERY close to, in light of the Obama Administration to protect Bush and Cheney, STARTING to make noises about collusion and cover-up.

One or two more bad decisions, continued inaction by the DOJ and that WILL start, if what I am hearing is correct. Not to mention the apparent caving on Gitmo. Not to mention making Bagram INTO the new Gitmo.

The Equal Rights Issue people. Yeah....the Gays. The people who...for some reason....resent being equated to pedophiles, practioners of incest and bestiality. People who wonder why White Supremacists and Neo-nazis are welcomed into the Army, but Gays aren't.

Now some of you good folks on the Center-left are going to see this as me making a threat. I fully expect to see exactly the same defenses, the same excuses...and the same insults.....in the comments that issues people always see. From the people who mistake advocacy on important issues for whining. Fine, I have learned that just about nothing will change your mind so I won't take much time trying to convince you of this, but....

This is not a threat, it is the political reality. It is an observation of what is happening.

People, Issues people, are getting awfully damned tired of Obama pandering to the Right....

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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 06:05 PM
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1. eventually, the far right and the far left begin to resemble each other
sorry but it's true.
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108 Donating Member (106 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 06:49 PM
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8. very true
the tone of the far left is starting to remind me of the far right

certain groups are being way too impatient
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 09:25 PM
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22. Oh so true that meme from whoever wants Dems to purge progressives and make more room for
Edited on Tue Jun-16-09 09:25 PM by omega minimo
troublemakers
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quakerboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 02:50 AM
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35. I am hearing grumbles from the middle
They are the ones with whom we(democrats) have a limited time window. They are the ones who slammed home the Obama victory, and they are waiting to see some fruits of victory.

I believe that I am pretty far left, though there are those much further than I. I am stuck with Obama. In 3.5 years when its time to vote again, I am not going to have a "better" choice, despite any grumbling I do now.

But the gals at work who didn't really care who won our local Senate race until I sold them on the new guy, the democrat that I had met and vouched for. The gals who thought McCain seemed nice but old, they might just jump ship if they don't see something real from a Democratic majority and president. They want things they can see. Things like a real health care solution, and their children able to find jobs. Things like that. And if they don't see it, they will not be stuck next voting season.
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LooseWilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 06:56 PM
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11. That's fine. I can live with your condemnation.
How about addressing some issues of the left?... rather than sticking solely to the middle. Are you just too afraid of being perceived as being similar to the "far right"? Is Obama?

I still believe that Hillary lost the primary because she'd maneuvered herself so far into the center in preparation for the General election that she lost the left. Now Obama is... maneuvering himself firmly toward the center.

Apparently I'm not the only one who sees this as a possibility.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 08:34 PM
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17. Obama has moved to the right of the center
and he's going to lose the moderates who lean more to the left than anyone likes to admit.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 09:52 PM
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25. Huge difference - HRC was not the incumbent President
Edited on Tue Jun-16-09 09:53 PM by karynnj
I really do not see a left wing challenge as even remotely likely. If the economy gets better - and one thing could about being so low - is that it is incredibly likely that it will be much better than when he took office. He also will be running with a huge asset - Michelle Obama, who as people have really seen her, has become very popular.

Defeating an incumbent President in the primaries rarely happens. Now, look at the Democrats and give me the name of even one, who you think both would and could win the nomination - even if things go badly. HRC really couldn't without looking tacky and she was placed by Biden as the hawk on Afghanistan. That also eliminate Biden. Kerry is too closely identified as an ally and he is too loyal to consider it. Bayh, Warner and Webb - all mentioned at one time or another are all to his right. I really think neither Gore or Dean want to be part of a brutal primary.

Now, it is true that in 1967, no one would have thought of Gene McCarthy - I think Obama is too close to the center of the Democratic party for there to be enough room on the left for a challenge. (Consider that there were no rumours of anyone challenging Clinton in 1996.)
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 10:46 PM
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30. And pray tell, when did the left ever support her?
She didn't pass their "purity" test. My guess is that neither will Obama when all is said and done.

:eyes:
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:01 AM
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37. this isn't about the "far" left
and casting the issue in that light is just another bullshit ploy to minimize.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 12:03 PM
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45. "Eventually?" Where ya been?
They're there.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 12:22 PM
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47. Sorry but we're opposites. Also, we hold less sway.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 12:50 PM
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48. Pigeonholing usually isn't very bright- and misses the dynamic
The process going on here- whether some choose to see it or not, has been called the politics of disappointment. As happened most recently in the mid 90's, it caused a whole lot of people to just stay home. Others joined up and grew a 3rd party to the point where even the State of Oregon was no longer reliably in the Democratic camp.



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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 01:39 PM
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49. Issues
It is about the issues. You must have missed the post entirely. On which of those issues: Gay marriage, environmentalism, economic progressivism are 'the left' so much like the right?

Let's throw a few more lefty issues out there (issues that oddly enough the overwhelming majority of the American people agree with:
-global warming
-Increased access to and ability to form unions
-access to healthcare
-increased funding for education
-civil liberties
-an end to the war and occupation of Iraq
-Increased protection from toxins and pollution
-Increased policing of corporatons, corporate crime, and increased oversight
-Bottom up fiscal policies that give government aid and support to those on the bottom that need it.


So tell me which of those policies that most liberals seem to support 'resemble the right wing'? And in what way is support for these issues, and demand for support of thsoe issues by our elected officials, an example of the left wing magically becoming like the right wing?

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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 06:07 PM
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2. He cruises to re-election like Clinton did in '96
:shrug:
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 09:53 PM
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26. Yep
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 10:36 PM
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29. This is the correct and final answer
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:42 AM
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38. pretty much
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JamesA1102 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 06:08 PM
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3. If he keeps the middle, no problem! nt
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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 06:12 PM
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4. "It will never even occur to you to blame Obama for not addressing the issues"
Too true!
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 06:42 PM
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5. Yeah, especially if
by the end of his first term, he's accomplished a lot more and laid a foundation for even more significant achievements in his next term.



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spoony Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 09:50 PM
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24. Then he'll be re-elected
and the scenario that quote is about will not come to pass. It could, however, already be applied in some circumstances.
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Thickasabrick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 06:45 PM
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6. Read the whole thing....it's got ponies!!! n/t
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 06:48 PM
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7. The part that I can't get used to is not only how we get screwed on
our issues, but eventually how the candidate who we helped elect turns on us and reams us for the entertainment of the middle and right. Clinton was a master at this, Obama is learning quickly.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 06:54 PM
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9. I've been seeing the same thing, in fact I told my wife
last week that both the far left and the far right are yelling about Obama. It's so ironic.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 06:55 PM
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10. The left should have their voices heard
They help keep our politicians honest. It's the hair-trigger outrage and the ones who aren't pragmatic at all that I take issue with. I consider myself on the left and an Obama supporter. They don't have to conflict.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 01:40 PM
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50. but yet they appear to so often.
I wonder why?
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 07:17 PM
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12. The People voted for Change--not more Conservative Policies.
Conservative Policies put us in the Ditch.

We must make the Democrats stop digging deeper--we want out of the
ditch.

Every word out of the GOP Mouths clearly indicate they are convinced
theirs is the way the truth and the light. They will not change.

The Democrats can at times look foolish bending over backward to
appease the Group that ran our country into the Ground.

Bipartisan with a Dumb Policy is the same dumb policy.
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choie Donating Member (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 08:01 PM
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13. Agreed
It's just incredible - had any repug - or possibly any OTHER democrat - compromised as Obama has, DUers would be yelling from the mountains. But, Obama worship has blinded some people to the point at which they are willing to forgive him anything.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 05:47 PM
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60. Well, put!
:thumbsup:
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 08:05 PM
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14. 0 - 6
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 10:03 PM
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28. Damn !
thats a whitewash....nuh!
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 08:08 PM
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15. The way it looks right now, Obama is losing the "middle"
His resurrection of Ronald Reagan's trickle-down economics philosophy -- in Obama's case, forking over more trillions to the banks -- is having the predicted effect: things are getting worse, not better. People are wising up to the corporate politicians.
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styersc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 08:18 PM
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16. You've hit it on the head. Obama's alienating the middle.
Although associated with the left, common sense reform re: gays in the military, gay marriage, transparency (White House log), Guantanomo and torture photos are common sense reforms that the middle has come to feel progressive about. Obama could have retained his appreciation from the left without opposition from the middle. Instead, Obama is screwing with the base while souring the middle. Makes no sense at all.

Why do this when we need to be strongly united going into 2010?
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:17 AM
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43. That's news to this guy in the middle...
...who he's not even CLOSE to alienating.
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bbgrunt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 01:49 AM
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33. well, without a strong middle class, there will be no
political middle either. Either we do something about trade agreements and unions and outsourcing and insourcing, or there is no middle to hold.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 01:41 PM
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51. sorry but there are no trillions being forked over
Where do you people get this stuff?
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 02:22 PM
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55. What planet did you just beam in from?
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 03:08 PM
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58. from planet "Knowis Factus",
The 1 trillion dollar numbers is insurance on private/public buyups. Not loans


Heres the wiki on the program.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public-Private_Investment_...
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 05:50 PM
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62. Hahahahaha
"knowis factus"... nice one.
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:23 PM
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63. That may be more wishful thinking then fact
Obama's job approval rating is still quite high.
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jeanpalmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 08:34 PM
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18. He's approaching this the wrong way
He's trying to suck up to the right wing, whereas he should be catering to the people who voted for him. He has alienated a lot of them. He should have spent the first two years doing the things that his supporters elected him to do, like get out of the wars, DADT, health care, get rid of the tortures and prosecute them, stop the spying, help the homeless and jobless. Then in the next two years, after the heavy lifting was over, tack toward the middle. If he had done that, his base would be fired up. Instead, he has alienated many of his supporters.

His problem is he is listening to the wrong people -- the image makers who want him to suck up to the right wing. Like Axelrod and Emmanuel. It's going to cost him bigtime. Because good-willed people are fed up with the lyig bullshit.
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 09:25 PM
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23. You're right. He really threw away his first two years in office.
Looking back on it now, it all seems such a shame.

Well, see ya around. I'm going back to 2009. I'll tell everyone hi for you.

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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:09 AM
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42. Exactly right.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 05:49 PM
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61. Yes, I got a real sinking feeling when I saw who his advisors were
:scared:
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 08:53 PM
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19. His accomplishments will speak for themselves. Plus many of the positions you cite are moderate.
Edited on Tue Jun-16-09 08:54 PM by Dr Fate
"The Left"- or people who are anti-war, pro public healthcare, etc, are no longer some sandals & pony-tailed minority-these are moderate postions.

So as others pointed out, I think really depends on how moderates (not conservatives, mind you) feel about DEMS come election time...

His accomplishments will speak for themselves- I think he has time to get some great things done...
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 09:12 PM
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20. Insufficient awareness that Obama cannot wave a magic wand to make Congress work again, immediately.
Edited on Tue Jun-16-09 09:18 PM by MarjorieG
And in the middle of some very real messes. How would you stimulate the economy in a way not boom and bust with financial mirage, yet little industry to build on. Little climate change law for people to invest in new businesses there with confidence. I try to wrap my head around how much the banks, Congress, and more, are self-serving and short-term thinking in this time of many meltdowns.

Sorry, but have seen too many cycles of the Dems, left, never happy, ever.

sp
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 09:21 PM
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21. I do not consider being in one of the above group being far left. I am in
Edited on Tue Jun-16-09 09:24 PM by MasonJar
all of them. I expected and demand Obama to do what he said he'd do, bring about substantial change in all the above, not mimic the Bush administration, which I utterally despised with my whole being. Where is the improvement, much less change? Not in transparency (just today the White House refused to give out lists of visitors, just like Bush/Cheney) Not in the environment (even Bush did not remove the wolf from the Endangered Species List) and mountain top removal affects real people with homes and lives. Not in Constitutional treatment of prisoners (just ask those who are now in for continued indefinite detention without benefit of court, lawyers and trial.) Not in reducing war (Afghanistan is expanding.) Not in following the Geneva Convention and other treaties we have signed (which say that countries are obligated to pursue and punish war crimes and torturers.) Not in equal rights (since gays/lesbians are quite evidently still second class citizens.) Not in health care reform (where failed policies, like public/private options side by side, and big money corporation donors are the key to Obama reform.) Single payer is the only viable answer and Obama knows it. Certainly not in the economy (where Wall Street rules by virtue of Obama's own selection of economic advisors.) Not in the approach to legal and court hearings (Don Seigelman is still hanging on the ledge, because after all that would involve the Bushies and Rove, but at least three GOPers, who were actually guilty, have been freed.) Have I missed anything? Which of the above makes me a left winger in the mode of the right wingers? I agree with the original poster. And I add: Obama had the chance to really make the history books. He followed a disaster and had so many avenues open to him to really improve the country. He has selected his avenue, and it is not one which will put him up there with FDR or LBJ. Obama is blowing a magnificent chance, and I for one cannot fathom why. I guess he just fabricated agendas for the election and is basically a DLC/Centrist in reality. But that is not good enough for me. I wanted and expected more. DIDN'T YOU?
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 10:02 PM
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27. It's not like the Right has the solution
Edited on Tue Jun-16-09 10:05 PM by Hutzpa
now is it(?) and a third party is not going to show up overnight with the answers
either irrespective of what critics and supporters alike might wants us to believe.

Obama is a far better candidate for us lefty than Bill Clinton, you have to understand that
people on the left show more patience than those on the center.

This mess the President inherited did not happen overnight, it took 40 years for us to get
to this point and it is not going to change habits that people have become accustomed to
by having an individual who insists on changing the way things are done in Washington.

Who knows, maybe these are the same people who are crying now about how Obama is not doing
enough for DOMA, DADT, Gitmo, Afghanistan War, Iran, Environmental etc....

Just so you know, a 40 years old man is a man with grand kids, do you realize how long that
is, this systematic nit picking of a new President is unwise and IMO is shrouded with
cynicism.

I don't see anyone of these so called critics coming up with an idea that is different from
what the President is trying to achieve instead all I see is whining and moaning from right
wingers and their enablers (blue dog Democrats). All I see is them working against everything
and anything he tries to do differently.

I have the common sense as a Lefty to know that majority of the people whining now against
everything Obama does are the same people who where for the same crappola Bush was doing, you
don't have to be a brain surgeon to figure things out yourself.

Most of us on the Left are not too wise enough to understand the games being played by the
Republicans, which is to come out and challenge every word that the President utters and then
stoke up the issues behind close doors on the very same issues they don't believe in, who would
have thought you would see Republicans coming out in support of the Iranians, the very same people
they were advocating Israel and the United States to bomb into smithereens, does that make any
sense....I doubt that very much.

So...to me, IMHO this is just another 'FAUX OUTRAGE'

The faster us on the left can learn, the better it will be for our future.

As for the Right.....I COULD GIVE A FLYING FUCK as to what they think, especially with all
the hate they have been spewing lately, if anyone on the left thinks the Right can do a better job,
then they must have had their heads buried far deeper into their rectum.

Patience my friends, patience....
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-16-09 10:47 PM
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31. I'm a liberal leftie..
.. and Obama never had me.

I only voted for him because McCain was
worse. Palin was really scary... and
McCain was all over the place from one
day to the next, and the Republican
party is held hostage by the extreme
right.

That Obama governs from the right of
center says something about the state
of our nation today.. in the thrall
of corporate kleptocrats.
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 12:45 AM
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32. They are losing me.
I hate republicans, even the "light" DLC version.
They are no more Democrats than Arlen Specter.
I can call myself a stick of celery but I am still not a vegetable.
Same with the false flag Democrats, DLC, Blue Dog or arlen Specter - Just Republicans in drag to get elected.
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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 02:07 AM
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34. He has 90% or greater approval
with Dems so he'd not losing a damn thing, other than very loud 10% minority who think they're more important than they are
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:52 AM
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40. Actually that shows that some of the left..
Edited on Wed Jun-17-09 10:53 AM by mvd
(of which I don't think the actual political positions are a problem) is still trying to work with Obama. More than 10% of the public identifies as liberal (in polls at least around 25%), and if positions would be explained, I believe it would be more.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 01:44 PM
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52. some people still registered as Dems are the old "racist era" Dems
They should be considered in this calculation.
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Proud Liberal Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 09:44 AM
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36. Judging from a lot of the posts here, Obama appears to have already lost the Left
All that seems to be missing at this point are torches and pitchforks, tar and feathers, and, of course, Articles of Impeachment.
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SidneyCarton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:46 AM
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39. Say hello to President Romney/Palin/Huckabee, etc...
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:54 AM
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41. The positions named in the OP are actually quite mainstream, hardly radical left.
In many ways the American public is way ahead of the White House.
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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:32 AM
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44. Hopefully, Obama will bring in a WHOLE LOT more Arlen Specter Democrats!
God knows that several of them post on GD :P! :silly:
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 12:05 PM
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46. One Republican Party is not enough--we must have two of them! n.t
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 01:44 PM
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53. He's not losing the left. He's losing some on the FAR LEFT.
Edited on Wed Jun-17-09 01:45 PM by Phx_Dem
I guess he'll just have to gain more support from centrists and moderates in both parties.
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Political Tiger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 01:59 PM
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54. Actually, I don't think he ever had the support of the far left.
They've been declaring him a failure long before he was ever sworn in.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 02:59 PM
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57. Yup- the true fringe or "far left" probably votes 3rd party.
Edited on Wed Jun-17-09 03:03 PM by Dr Fate
Just like the far-right DLCers who supported Joe Lieberman's 3rd party run- same difference.

The strategy for conservative DEMS for the past 8 years is to characterize anything that conservatives disagree with as "far left" or fringe. Sometimes even moderate and popular postions are characterized as "far left" on DU.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 02:56 PM
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56. Ending the Iraq war & effective healthcare reform are not "far left" postions.
They are moderate positions. Even civil rights for gay folks is becoming more and more mainstream all the time.

We agree that Obama needs to the maintain support of centrists & moderates. Centrists & moderates actually support many of the postions that Republicans and DLC types have incorrectly characterized as "far left", etc.

Sure- Obama can do w/o a truly fringe left- but the true fringe types tend to vote 3rd party, or not at all.

The danger is that anything Obama cant get done will simply be characterized as "far left, fringe stuff" when it might be the sensible thing that is actually supported by moderates, although not by conservatives....

Yelling "far left" to disgruntled moderates and swing voters wont have the same effect that it is supposed to have on a DEM message board. Maybe it will never get to that, I hope.

Just my take.

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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 04:33 PM
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59. If he doesn't get his shit together, he may lose the next Dem primary.Way too centrist for my tastes
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:21 PM
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64. Obama's job approval amongst Dems is close to 90%
http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama-dems...

If one considers that some of the 12% or so of Democrats who disapprove of the way President Obama is doing his job are conservative or moderate Democrats, the percentage of liberal Democrats who disapprove is very, very small.
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