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invictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:18 AM
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We are going to get "co-ops" instead of a public health insurance option.
'"I'm doing all I can to get a bipartisan solution, and right now the so-called public option is being transformed into a private alternative," Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Montana, said as he left a closed-door meeting on the issue. "It may not work. If so, we'll have to find something else. But right now it looks like it has a decent chance of working."'

"The nonprofit co-ops, based on the model of electricity, agricultural and other cooperatives in rural states, would be run and paid for by its members, although an initial infusion of federal funds might be needed to get them off the ground, senators said."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/06/11/health.care.deba...

This is "change" I cannot believe in.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:18 AM
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1. In other words, I die, you die, everybody dies. n/t
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:21 AM
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2. It's a bullshit bitter plan that would take whatever money you have leftover
at the end of the month & give it to some managed health care corporation.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:23 AM
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3. Par for the course
I am really beginning to despise these assholes.
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safeinOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:24 AM
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4. Is there a country that does it that way
as an example of how great it works and how happy the people are with it? If not, screw it. There are lots of countries that are good examples. Just take the one or two that the population is the most happy with and copy the damn thing.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 11:43 AM
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18. Germany, but theirs is well designed
Edited on Thu Jun-11-09 11:43 AM by Teaser
This one doesn't sound nearly so well put together thus far.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:25 AM
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5. You don't know that-it's one idea being floated that will hopefully
be shot down.
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:48 AM
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6. and Baucus didn't campaign on change. I doubt anyone in Congress did.
This nonsense about "this isn't change" or "this isn't change I can believe in" that is all the rage on DU is so damn lame now because it should only apply to one person. When Obama starts saying he doesn't want a public option anymore then fire away with the change form responses, until then shove it you know where for safe keeping.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 11:03 AM
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10. Didn't you know that Baucus and Obama are the same person???
LOL.
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:51 AM
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7. If it was one national co-op, it might work
But they're talking about each state having a co-op, which is ridiculous.
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Sensible321 Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:52 AM
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8. And I wonder who will get to "Underwrite" these co-ops?
American General? AIG?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 11:03 AM
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9. Like Germany has? nt
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 11:20 AM
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11. We're going to have to get a plan out of another committee than one with Baucus.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 11:21 AM
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12. I called his office this morning and voiced my DISPLEASURE
at his attitude. Everyone else should do the same.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 11:35 AM
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13. I'm a fan of co-ops in general
What makes this idea such a poison pill for you?
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 11:38 AM
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15. Baucus has made himself into a poison pill. It's obvious that he's not working in our nation's best
interests.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 11:43 AM
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17. If the pukes support them then they aren't co-ops like you are thinking
of. They are just bad options no one could use that would maintain the status quo.
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Sensible321 Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 12:35 PM
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24. It Boils Down to Risk Pools
The smaller the pool, the more unfair the system is. I worked at an office where some of the employees were older people (+55). We looked into healthcare costs and found that, because of the age of some of the employees, we would all pay a fortune in premiums. Fortunately, we lived close to Mexico, so we traveled there for our dental care - sure as hell couldn't afford $1000 for a root canal and $400 for a crown (vs. $175 and $75 (porcelain), respectively). That was 10+ years ago and my Mexican root canal and crowns are still going strong.

Unless the co-ops were huge, the costs would vary widely. The best co-op would be a nationwide co-op - I'll support that! It's called "Medicare For All."
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 11:37 AM
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14. Fuck you, Baucus. We need to contact every
Senator, Congressperson who is against a public option, and demand that they surrender their own public health care coverage. If it's not good enough for us, then it's not good enough for them either! Who the fuck do these assholes think they are?

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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 11:40 AM
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16. Do you always give up so easy?
my god, Pelosi just declared this dead on arrival.

And yet, your despairing post is all like "Woe is me, We is lost".

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 11:44 AM
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19. It's the new trend. DU:Eeyore.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 12:17 PM
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20. Why do people continue to trifle with this private/public bullshit third-way approach
Single payer now. The capitalistic model has NO BENEFIT to the insurance industry for primary care, period. This is what happens when you try and make a reform that makes everyone under the sun happy.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 12:19 PM
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21. Are you familiar with how congress works?
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 12:23 PM
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23. No, I slepts through politics 101
:)

Good luck with that.
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JimWis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 12:22 PM
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22. I hear that President Obama is going to be in Green Bay, Wis
today to have a town hall meeting about health. I think he will be getting an ear full. The last town hall meeting I saw him at, where the subject was anything they wanted to ask about, the first question out of the chute was health and single payer. I would like to see it, if it is on anywhere.
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