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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 02:20 PM
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Is It Possible To Be An Anti-War Activist, And Still Support President Obama's Decisions?
My friend Dick Kazan does not think so, and is speaking out. As someone who has held 100's of 1 man candlelight vigils protesting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan (you can read the summary of each weekly vigil, here - http://candlelightvigils.blogspot.com ), he is upset and disappointed with the choices President Obama has made in regard to the expansion of our military positions in Afghanistan and Pakistan, as well as the continued occupation in Iraq. Here is his latest column, and he appreciates your comments, both positive and negative.

George W. Bush Was Right!

Apparently, George W. Bush was right in suspending the legal rights of "terrorists," torturing them, showing no pictures of that torture and setting up military tribunals instead of court trials. Few were ever tried, the rest were just held indefinitely with no charges. And Mr. Bush fought wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.

He also gave out huge piles of cash as bailouts to giant corporations at the expense of the vast number of hard working Americans.

That Mr. Bush was right is my impression from President Obama's actions. Despite his campaign promises to the contrary and his pledges of "change" and "transparency," Mr. Obama is following in Mr. Bush's footsteps.

Alleged "terrorists" will still have their legal rights suspended. Some may face military tribunals in which their rights will be severely limited while others will simply be held indefinitely. President Obama retains the option of sending suspects to other nations for questioning, for as Mr. Bush said, "America doesn't torture."

As for the wars, instead of getting out of Iraq, Mr. Obama is following the Bush plan, including the continued use of up to 180,000 mercenaries. And when he finally does draw down the U.S. soldiers, he plans to send them to Afghanistan and Pakistan to fight as he rapidly escalates those wars.

As for Mr. Bush's giant corporate bailouts at the expense of working class America it continues on a grander scale under Mr. Obama. And as with Mr. Bush, no corporate titans are held accountable for their recklessness nor is there any transparency as to how the taxpayer's bailout money is being used.

As for Mr. Obama not releasing the torture pictures despite his promise to do so, that makes good sense. Those torture pictures would serve as graphic evidence the U.S. violated its own Constitution and The Geneva Convention as well as the United Nations charter the U.S. helped to write.

Mr. Obama would then be compelled by law and by world opinion to put the perpetrators on trial. And those perpetrators include President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney among others and may include House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. After all, in America nobody is above the law.

It's best to sweep it under the carpet and let people forget it. The risk is that some principled pesky reporters will get those pictures and publish them. That would be a form of what happened with Watergate.

If all of this offends you, you could raise your voice and compel Mr. Obama to live up to his promises and to enforce the law. In America, you are in charge, not those who in your silence seized your rights. Desperately, the world looks to you to restore a compassionate and peaceful America, and one that acts with fiscal integrity before it bankrupts us all.


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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 02:23 PM
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1. I guess each person as usual has to decide for themselves - no rule book available....
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HelenWheels Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 02:40 PM
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2. As an anti-war protester
since before the war, I must say I am disappointed in many of Obama's decisions.
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winter999 Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 02:41 PM
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3. All I can say is you were blind if you didn't see this coming.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 02:42 PM
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4. Yes.
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damntexdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 02:58 PM
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5. Yes. Anti-war activists have never had an official anti-war pope to rule what they must believe.
I have been an anti-war activist since the 1960s; but I supported Clinton on Bosnia and Kosovo -- well not completely: I thought he went in too late and with too little.

More recently, I did not support Bush on Afghanistan, not because I denied the U.S. should go in (I was a strong advocate for smashing the Taliban) but because I did not trust what Bush would do -- a position strongly supported by Bush's record. I tentatively support Obama on Afghanistan/Pakistan; but I don't know how far or how long.

I strongly opposed the invasion of Iraq and demanded that the troops be brought home. With Obama, I am willing to give reluctant support to a slow withdrawal; but only if timelines are adhered to.

Where I am most critical of Obama is on torture and the failure to support efforts to investigate war crimes and to indict where justified. I am very disappointed with Obama's "pragmatism" about that.

In other words, not all anti-war activists are pacifists. I am not, and have not been since the mid to late 1960s.
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 04:06 PM
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6. Thank you for your comments...
I will pass them along to the author.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 04:09 PM
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7. I don't think a person can be a real anti-war activist...
and promote this bullshit "Bush 2.0" business.

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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 04:20 PM
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8. I marched against the War in Iraq a few times, and was active in writing to the media
against going there throughout.

I believe that Barack Obama was also against going into Iraq.

As far as Afghanistan, I didn't understand how going to war against a country
was going to help us with the terrorists, but I wasn't against it per se.....
although my elected Rep Barbara Lee certainly spoke for me.

Far as the tribunals, I was against the way they were ran under Bush,
but I believe that the changes that Obama wants to make to them are major,
not tweaking or tinkering.....as those who want to see Obama's base mad at him are suggesting.

As for Obama's strategy on Afhghanistan and Pakistan, it is too early to make an informed determination as to whether it is the right approach. I will say that I don't believe that
suddently pulling out of there and coming home at this point is the answer.
The place, after 7 years of chaotic undoing, is quite volatile....and does need some work....as
7 years of Bush unstabilized that area of the world...totally!
Does Obama have the right answer?
I'm not yet sure.....but I don't believe that he is pro-war or anything close thereto, and that is
what is important to me right now, that his intent is not to democratize Afghanistan nor to control that country.
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No DUplicitous DUpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 04:51 PM
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10. Thank you for your comments, FrenchieCat....

The problem is, the killings and death continue on both sides, and for what?

There has got to be a better way proceed. As there is nothing to "win" with continued military action.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 05:22 PM
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11. Perhaps because I am a realist, I understand what Obama is dealing with......
and it ain't a Utopic choice of staying or leaving.

I wish life was that easy...and I'm sure he does too.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 04:29 PM
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9. Obviously, he was the best candidate, but despite his considerable
Edited on Fri May-15-09 04:29 PM by Vidar
talents, he doesn't seem to be changing very much.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 05:23 PM
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12. No.
It also is not possible to be pro-labor and continue supporting him. It also is not possible to be anti-torture and keep supporting him. It also is not possible to believe in the Constitution and civil liberties and keep supporting him.
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