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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 04:42 PM
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14 yr old Abeer's rapist/murderer just found guilty
Edited on Thu May-07-09 05:14 PM by uppityperson
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20090507/NEWS01/90507027/1008/Pfc.+Steven+Green+guilty+on+all+counts
After deliberating over the course of two days, a federal court jury today convicted former Army Pvt. Steven Green of capital murder for killing an Iraqi family in their home 20 miles south Baghdad in March 2006. The jury, which also convicted Green, 24, of aggravated sexual abuse, obstruction of justice and using a firearm during a crime of violence, will return on Monday to begin hearing evidence on whether Green should be executed for the crimes.

Green stared straight ahead as guilty verdicts were announced on all 16 charges, including 12 on which he could be sentenced to death. An office administrator in the federal public defender’s office patted Green on the shoulder, trying to console him, then she broke down into tears. Prosecutors and defense attorneys said they could not comment on the verdict because the case is still pending. Green’s brother, Doug Green, watched from the back of the courtroom as the verdicts were announced but said he was too shaken by them to comment.

Green was the first former soldier to face the death penalty in a civilian tr ial, according to legal authorities. He was tried in federal court because he had been discharged from the Army before his role was discovered in what has been called one of the worst atrocities committed by U.S. soldiers in Iraq. He was tried in Paducah because it was the closest court to Fort Campbell, from which Green’s Airborne Division unit was deployed.

Green was charged with 12 capital o ffenses – four counts of premeditated murder, four counts of felony murder – for killing the family members during the rape – and four counts of using a firearm in a crime resulting in death. Green was convicted of raping 14-year-old Abeer Al-Janabi and of killing her and her sister Hadeel, 6, and her parents, Fakhyrira and Kassem....




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmudiyah_killings


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30628635
An ex-soldier charged with raping and killing a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and slaying her family was found guilty by a federal jury on Thursday, making him eligible for the death penalty.

Steven Dale Green, 23, of Midland, Texas, faced more than a dozen charges, including sexual assault and four counts of murder, stemming from the March 2006 attack in Iraq's so-called "Triangle of Death." After he shot the girl in the face several times, Green then used kerosene to set fire to her body, said Assistant U.S. Attorney Brian Skaret earlier in the trial. "They left behind the carnage of all carnage," Skaret said of Green and other soldiers accused in the attack on March 12, 2006.

The verdict followed more than 10 hours of jury deliberations after a trial that began April 27. The defense had asked jurors to consider the extraordinary circumstances that had confronted the soldiers while serving in Iraq. Green, who pleaded not guilty, was tried in a civilian court because he was discharged from the Army before being charged.

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Talk turned to having sex with Iraqi women, when one soldier mentioned the al-Janabi family, who lived nearby, Skaret said. Soldiers then went to the home where, according to prosecutors, Green pulled the father, mother, and daughters ages 6 and 14 into another room, then pushed the 14-year-old out. Skaret said Green used a shotgun to kill the three in the room and told the soldiers that the family was dead. He then raped the girl and shot her, according to Skaret. As the girl lay helpless, "Steven Green went over to the wall and picked up a gun and he shot her in the face again and again," Skaret said. .....
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 04:56 PM
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1. So sad...so tragic...
I don't know this Pfc. Green, but wonder if he had the mindset of someone who would do this dastardly act if he hadn't been sent to Iraq. I wonder if something over there made him "snap."

And the poor girl and her family. So many deaths for no reason other than some neo-con hegemonists decided to lie us into war for more power and wealth.

As a result of the actions of Bush and Cheney, these real humans might still be alive and enjoying life planning their day and future. Yet, they all were put into an inhuman situation by inhumans.

I don't think the real evil of this incident has been entirely held to account.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 05:00 PM
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2. He was enlisted because was in trouble with the law.
They knew he was trouble. Then he told his sergeant the next day what he did. And it was ignored. Then he was sent home for "personality disorder", discharged back to civilian population.

It was covered up until a couple other military people were kidnapped and murdered in retaliation.

War is not an excuse for atrocities. I wish this would go higher and higher and higher. The sergeant got an less-than-honorable discharge for his part in the cover up.

I wish "war is no excuse" would go higher and higher and higher.
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:32 PM
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14. Thank you. and I agree. n/t
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:55 PM
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16. I know military, a *lot* of them are psychopaths.
I know it's "not politically correct" to say it, but good percentage of the guys I have met and hung out with were bonified insane, they had bloodlust and wanted to kill, rape, torture. They'd watch war movies and wax nostalgic about their kills.

In fact, if they're not that way before they join up, they become that way after being exposed to that culture.

I am *not* saying all military people are like this, but in my experience it has been the majority, no doubt. You don't *joke* about raping and killing someone and then pretend as if it was a complete *joke*. There's always truth to ones twisted views.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 01:02 PM
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18. Majority of military people are "bonified insane"?
Perhaps you mean bonafide and while I agree, obviously if you read what I've written, that being in a war zone can seriously affect your mental health state, I disagree with "the majority" of people in the military being "bonified (sic) insane, they had bloodlust and wanted to kill, rape, torture. They'd watch war movies and wax nostalgic about their kills"
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 01:05 PM
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19. Have you spent any quality time with our military?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 10:57 PM
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26. Yes. Have you?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 11:07 PM
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30. Daily, thanks.
I do not have a high opinion of most of them. There are a few outstanding individuals, though.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 11:14 PM
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31. I also do not have a high opinion of most of them.There are a few outstanding individuals, though.
outstanding in a positive and a negative way. The majority though, I wouldn't say are "bonified insane" or even bona-fide insane. Not sure if you misspelled that, or if it was a pun in a thread about rape and murder
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 11:29 PM
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34. It was a mispelling, and yes, I consider them insane by any reasonable measure.
If you feel comfortable around these kinds of people then more power to you.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 02:12 AM
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36. Perhaps I am insane also, since did a brief military stint. Ah well, we all have prejudices. eom
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:27 PM
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13. I don't want to hear apologists at this point...n/t
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 05:04 PM
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3. Fucking piece of shit, send him and his buddies to Iraq for some Iraqi style punishment
American Imperialism at its worst! :puke:

RIP, al Janabi family, safe journey.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 05:15 PM
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5. article in OP was updated at site, so I did here also.
RIP indeed. May the 2 young brothers get something out of this.
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:51 PM
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15. Oh God. If he was in certain countries he would have been celebrated for being a rapist.
And the girls death would have been considered just. So please spare us the bullshit.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:58 PM
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17. In what countries would that be? Invaders rape and murder children/family, are "celebrated"?
In what countries do you mean?
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 01:06 PM
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20. Somalia for one.
Of course, you'll claim it's not a "country" and I should have said "territory" or some other bullshit. But that doesn't change the fact that a 13 year old was gang raped and then stoned to death for adultry while pleading to live. Watch the video, it's quite something.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 10:59 PM
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27. What. The. Fuck?
Somalia is a country, yes. And some video (which you do not provide a link to) does not prove to me that any invading force who raped a child and murdered her and her family would be "celebrated".
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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 11:26 PM
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32. Strawman, the comment was about rapists, not "rapist invaders."
Sorry that you failed to change the direction of my comments. If you would like to see said video I can link you, though you can easily find it on google with the information provided. I suggest you not watch the poor child being stoned to death as she pleads for her life and her rapists jump around like maniacs.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 01:39 AM
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35. No. Green is a rapist invader. That is who this topic is about.
If you wish to talk about stoning young women for having been raped, that is a different topic and does not have anything to do with Mr.Green's crimes.

You are sorry I failed to change the direction of your comments? I am sorry that you are trying to change the direction of this topic.

This topic is about Green's crimes. Your attempts to change it "If he was in certain countries he would have been celebrated for being a rapist" then claim "strawman" are disingenuous at best

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joshcryer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 11:26 PM
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33. dupe
Edited on Fri May-08-09 11:26 PM by joshcryer
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Sultana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 11:54 AM
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41. FUCK YOU!!!
An American and his buddies raping & killing an Muslim Iraqi girl her family = just in the eyes of Iraqis?

You fucking wish, they will seek REVENGE!!!

You are a pathetic fucker, I'll pray for you sorry ass.


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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 04:28 PM
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47. revenge is a vessel with a hole in it, they will sink as well
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cbc5g Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 04:26 PM
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46. Nice, very democratic of you.
Edited on Sun May-10-09 04:26 PM by cbc5g
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 05:04 PM
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4. Lowering the recruitment standards was always a bad idea, and this illustrates why. n/t
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 11:40 PM
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6. High school student blogged the trial...
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-07-09 11:43 PM
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7. Execute them.
Pretty simple and straightforward. To the gallows, immediately.
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 02:11 AM
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9. I'll second that! eom
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:19 PM
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11. i dont.
Edited on Fri May-08-09 12:19 PM by iamthebandfanman
life in prison with people trying to rape you randomly should be sufficient.


death is an easy exist for someone who has no life to live anyway.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 06:17 PM
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22. Yeah, an IRAQI prison.
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 05:52 AM
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38. In the spirit of compromise...
would a bungee cord noose sway you to change your mind?
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 04:02 AM
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44. I'm against the death penalty in all cases, but...
If we're gonna do it, it should be done with a shotgun to the head. None of this lethal injection crap.
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 04:19 PM
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45. Effective but messy. The standard firing squad comprised of...
responsible citizens selected in the way juries are chosen
would likely be a better solution.
-----------------------------------

"If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them"
-- Karl Popper
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:23 AM
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8. Sigh.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 10:13 AM
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10. Er, how can anyone
be "shaken" by the verdicts? This guy is beyond evil. That poor, poor family.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 12:21 PM
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12. Iraqi relatives urge death for US rape soldier...& in another case (Haditha).....
http://www.reuters.com/article/middleeastCrisis/idUSL81008843
Relatives of an Iraqi girl who was raped and killed along with her family by a U.S. soldier urged that he be given the death penalty on Friday. Private 1st Class Steven Green was convicted in a Kentucky court on Thursday of raping Abeer Qassim Hamza al-Janabi, 14, and killing her and her family in Mahmudiya, 30 km (20 miles) south of Baghdad, in 2006. He faces a possible death sentence. Green, 24, was tried in federal court as a civilian for murder, rape and obstruction of justice charges since he was arrested after he was discharged from the U.S. Army later in 2006 for a "personality disorder."

"By all measures, this was a very criminal act. We are just waiting for the court to sentence him so he gets justice and the court can change the image of Americans," said Karim Janabi, the girl's uncle. The trial featured prosecution testimony by Green's former comrades in which they detailed the assault, one of several incidents involving American soldiers that enraged Iraqis. "So they decided this criminal was guilty, but we don't expect he'll be executed. Only if he's executed, will it mean American courts are just," said relative Yusuf Mohammed Janabi.

Public anger over cases in which U.S. soldiers have been accused of killing Iraqi civilians has been seen as one reason why Iraqi officials bargained hard for U.S. soldiers to be subject to Iraqi law for crimes committed while off-duty, under a bilateral security pact that took effect in January.

"When American troops came to Iraq, we thought they came to protect Iraqi people, then we saw acts like this," said Juwad Qadim Hussein, 40, a resident of Mahmudiya. "Some American troops help Iraqis, giving them medicine and aid; but clearly, others don't respect and kill Iraqi people." Relative Sawsen Najim al-Janabi said the courts took too long to convict him. "They should have decided he was guilty in the beginning because it's obviously a total crime," she said.

In a separate case, six out of eight Marines charged with the killing of 24 Iraqi civilians at Haditha in 2005 have had their charges dismissed by military judges and another was cleared, to the chagrin of Iraqis who feel justice failed them. The accused ring leader in that case still faces court martial.
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Aethertek Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 01:26 PM
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21. Slow Death
People that commit these atrocities should really suffer the way their victims did.
Kill him slow, kill him painfully, let him taste the fear & suffering before he passes.

No Peace
Kevin~
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 06:38 PM
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23. Does this make you better than the murdering rapist?
This is a result of war. Any war ever has had these exact same things happen. This is what war does and is. War is the biggest atrocity humans can commit against humans. But people keep getting all caught up in the jingoistic uber patriotic hogwash that they think is patriotic. It's all a manipulation by governments to get as much power as they can off the lives of the people they send to kill and the people who are killed. It's a big fucking insane manipulation of the populace who somehow just doesn't get that they're being used.
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Aethertek Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 10:24 PM
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25. Freeper Excuse
Same lame arguments that the freepers use on the other boards when I condemn them for their caviler attitude for the lives of innocents.

"Well thats what happens in war" "Collateral damage is legal according to the rules of war."
& all the rest of their putrid arguments.
That boy was sick before he got there, a waste of breathable air, just no one knew it yet.

War didn't make him a raping murderer it just gave him the opportunity.

"Lunatica" apropos nom de plume you got there.

No Peace

Kevin~

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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 09:12 AM
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39. lame and incoherent
Edited on Sat May-09-09 09:13 AM by lunatica
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 11:04 PM
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29. As the jury declared, "war is not an excuse". Just because it happens does not mean it is ok
Of course those who declare war should be held responsible, but so should those who do bs like this.

By the way, Green did not get "all caught up in the jingoistic uber patriotic hogwash that they think is patriotic" but was signed up rather than going to jail.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 09:16 AM
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40. I am NOT making excuses for Green!
Edited on Sat May-09-09 10:04 AM by lunatica
Where do I excuse him? Please repeat the words I wrote that say that the crimes he committed are excusable.

Saying "war is not an excuse" is to imply that there's something noble or honorable about war. That's my gripe. The idiocy, the insanity of thinking that war is even an excuse in itself. It's nothing more than an atrocity machine. What about all the other children and families and women and girls who are raped and murdered during war? Is this one family somehow more deserving of justice than others?

If you don't get my point then I can't explain it any better.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 03:31 PM
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42. Thank you for clarifying. I agree. No this family is no mre deserving, but they
also are no less deserving. I wish they would go after the superiors, up to those who declare invading Iraq was any sort of decent idea in the first place.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-15-09 02:21 PM
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49. I agree they should be held responsible
'I was just obeying orders' is no excuse.

I don't think, however, that they should be tortured, as the other poster was suggesting. Maybe that was rhetoric; but if one accepts the torture of one, one accepts torture as a possibility for all.

The criminal certainly deserves severe punishment within the law.
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asteroid2003QQ47 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 02:41 AM
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43.  Pro Patria. To a degree, all in a war mongering empire live under . . .
the crushing weight of a slab of ("Pro Patria") granite.
You say it very well, lunatica.
-------------------------------
pro patria:

"See what I have brought?" he asked us.

He opened the case and showed us the scarlet lining and the golden wreath. The wreath was made of artificial laurel leaves, and the whole was sprayed with radiator paint.

The wreath was spanned by a cream-colored silk ribbon on which was printed, "Pro Patria."

Minton now recited a poem from Edgar Lee Masters' the Spoon River Anthology, a poem that must have been incomprehensible to the San Lorenzans in the audience – and to H. Lowe Crosby and his Hazel, too, for that matter, and to Angela and Frank.
I was the first fruits of the battle of Missionary Ridge.
When I felt the bullet enter my heart
I wished I had staid at home and gone to jail
For stealing the hogs of Curl Trenary,
Instead of running away and joining the army.
Rather a thousand times the county jail
Than to lie under this marble figure with wings,
And this granite pedestal
Bearing the words, "Pro Patria."
What do they mean, anyway?

"What do they mean, anyway?" echoed Ambassador Horlick Minton. "they mean, 'For one's country.'" And he threw away another line. "Any country at all," he murmured.

"This wreath I bring is a gift from the people of one country to the people of another. Never mind which countries. Think of people...

"And children murdered in war...
"And any country at all.
"Think of peace.
"Think of brotherly love.
"Think of plenty.
"Think of what a paradise this world would be if men were kind and wise.
"As stupid and vicious as men are, this is a lovely day," said Ambassador Horlick Minton.

Cat's Cradle, Vonnegut.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 11:02 PM
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28. Verdict is "war is not an excuse to commit atrocities"
They didn't try to prove he did it, but that there were mitigating circumstances, trying to put it in "context". I am glad the jury saw through that
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-09-09 05:43 AM
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37. Haven't we subscribed to this truism since at least, oh, I don't know, 1945???
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 09:20 PM
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24. .
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 05:13 PM
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48. Is Holder going to be cool with a crime being punished?
I mean, we have testimony upon testimony about multiple rapes and murders at Abu Ghrahib and Eric and his boss just want to forget all about those rapes and murders. Is the problem that Green forgot to get a note from Cheney or what?
This is one. Many more are swept under that rug in the Oval Office. The one Bush designed and is still in place.
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