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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:18 PM
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Dean, Carville Warn Specter: Shape Up or Face Primary Oppo!
Edited on Mon May-04-09 05:24 PM by Phx_Dem
Excellent. I'm not quite sure who Arlen thinks he is. I have no problem with him being an "independent thinker," but I think he's taken it to a new level by saying he won't support health care before a bill has even been presented nd then saying he won't be a loyal Democrat.

Fuck you, Arlen. You vote against health care and you're toast.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/04/dean-carville-...

Less than a week into his tenure as a Democrat and Sen. Arlen Specter is already stepping sharply on the toes of party elders. Key Democratic figures warned on Monday that their newly minted colleague, despite having the backing of the White House, could face a tough primary challenge should he continue to oppose key tenets of the party's agenda.

"I'm pleased that he saw the light and decided he would be a better fit for the Democratic Party and I think you have to allow for his political views to evolve," said former DNC chairman Howard Dean in an interview with the Huffington Post. "But he won't win the Democratic primary by taking the position that you should not have or a public option for health insurance... If he takes these kinds of views, of course there is going to be a Democratic primary."

"I'm not sure this is going to have a great ending," added Carville, who has worked extensively in Pennsylvania politics. "He could get primaried, you know... If Sestak runs, will have to fight."

The remarks come a day after Specter, appearing on Meet the Press, insisted that he had not pledged to be a "loyal Democrat" as a pre-requisite for switching party affiliations. He also restated his opposition to the Employee Free Choice Act, which he came out against while still a Republican, and said he would not support a public option for health care insurance as part of a reform package.

Specter's position on the former issue is shaping up to be the linchpin to whether the labor community would support him in a Democratic primary. And on Monday, a major official with the AFL-CIO warned that if the Senator didn't change his view on the legislation (perhaps, in the form of a compromise bill) he wouldn't get the union's support.

<SNIP>

And one more thing. If Specter is so opposed to a public health care option, because he's afraid it would hurt the private insurance companies, who offer such affordable plans and always have our best health interests at heart ( :puke:), then he should give up his public health care and buy into a private plan. What a dick.

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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:19 PM
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1. Specter also said his conversion doesn't mean he will support Obamas SCOTUS choice

Specter needs to go. Period.
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SamCooke Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:19 PM
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2. Does Pres. Obama hate Howard Dean? I can't help to love this man. Why isn't he ......
apart of the Obama Administration?
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:21 PM
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3. Dean's too mavericky for Obama

There's no other reason I can think of he's not part of the administration.
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SamCooke Donating Member (406 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:23 PM
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8. more than Hilary?
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Tempest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:32 PM
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14. Hillary mavericky?

Thanks for the laugh.

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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:26 PM
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10. No he doesn't hate Howard Dean.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:29 PM
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13. Dean put a kabosh on this recently. Besides, he's doing a great job outside the White House.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:55 PM
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20. Just because Dean isn't in Obama's admin
doesn't mean they don't like and respect each other. There are other ways to help our country now besides being an insider. I think this where Dean needs to be right now..obviously because he's there.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:21 PM
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4. Good. They're right. Rec'd. nt
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:21 PM
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5. Specter needs to see the light--SCOTUS, healthcare and Employee Free Choice...
...maybe he does know that his views need to evolve and that if he changes too quickly, he looks wishy-washy...I'll give Specter the benefit of the doubt...for the time being.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:22 PM
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6. I don't care for this Specter guy at all. He needs to have a strong
challenger in the primary if he doesn't shape up.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:23 PM
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7. dupe
Edited on Mon May-04-09 05:25 PM by firedupdem
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:25 PM
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9. Dean JUST SAID THIS on The Ed Show a few minutes ago
he said "Specter will be for healthcare reform or else he won't win the primary"
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:26 PM
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11. Who loves Dr. Dean? I do!!! n/t
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:53 PM
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19. I'm watching Ed for the first time. I like it!
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:28 PM
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12. I said from the beginning of the Specter switch thing that we got screwed by this. So, here are my
minimal expectations. Fine, Specter can vote on the final votes on bills anyway he wants.

But, when it comes to cloture, he has to vote to allow bills to proceed to a full senate vote. There, and that better not be too much to ask.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 06:37 PM
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24. Are you kidding? We own the man's ass now.
For the next year or so we've got the Sword of Damocles hanging over his head any time he gets too uppity.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 07:22 PM
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26. I hope you are right. So far, he isnt acting the part one would expect from what you describe
First act was to vote nay on Obama's budget. That is a pretty important vote and the signal it sends is not a good one.

But I am open to being proven wrong and really hope I am.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 07:12 PM
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25. He haven't gotten screwed because he's an addition to the Dems, not a replacement (yet).
But he'll be the one getting screwed if he votes against health care. Labor will probably campaign against him for voting against EFCA so if he votes against health care, Labor and the Dems wqill be against him and he won't be able to win. But we will win because a Demo opponent would beat him in a primary. Either way, we win.

If Specter hadn't switched parties, he'd be even more likely to vote no on both those bills anyway so we haven't lost anything by having him switch. The Republicans, OTH, have lost a great deal and have been humiliated by Specter's switch. That alone makes it worth it.







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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:38 PM
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15. And there's the stick.
If Arlen didn't see this coming, he's not as bright as he thinks he is.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:39 PM
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16. Arlen sounds senile..I hate
to say this but what other explaination is there? He already stated to P Obama via the phone that "I'm a loyal Democrat".. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph... No one has stated he should "rubber stamp" but what's the use in switching Parties if you don't agree with our Principles?

Other than thinking you can get away with something in the Pa Primaries?

Thank you, Dean and Carville(never thought I'd be thanking those two in one sentence!).
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:52 PM
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18. He's not senile.
He's a desperate, crafty politician. I think he's figured it all out and will be reelected. What I don't know is if this is a good thing for the Democratic caucus.
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:48 PM
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17. He's LIEberman II.
The only thing that will control him is the strong arm. Good for Carville and Dean.
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DrToast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:55 PM
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21. I wish. Lieberman hasn't broken ranks with Obama yet.*
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MoonRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:58 PM
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22. Maybe because he's up against the strong arm?
I think Obama knows what he's doing. He probably has Specter on a very short leash.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 05:59 PM
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23. kick the little turd out.
he's a hindrance. fuck arlen.
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 07:33 PM
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27. I don't think that Specter will be the dem candidate
in the next election. He is almost 80, and, if there is a viable Dem opponent, I highly doubt that Specter will win. I recently lived in PA for about 8 years, and, from what I saw, the people there are pretty savvy (Pittsburgh area).

He needs to retire. If he can't decide to do this for himself, I think the people of PA will decide this for him.

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