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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:16 PM
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I wonder who "suggested" that Biden take the train home to Delaware, after
Edited on Sat May-02-09 06:17 PM by Hieronymus
his disastrous comments. Surely, he hasn't been doing that since be became VP. Yes, I know he used to, regularly.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:18 PM
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1. It's natural to do so on a Friday. I don't see his comments as that big a deal.
then again, I don't work in the 'hospitality' industry.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:26 PM
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4. LOL, Biden did EXACTLY what he said he'd tell his family NOT to do ... travel in
confined spaces.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:20 PM
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2. Rahm probably made him. It serves JB right--it'll teach him to watch his mouth.
It was only a matter of time before he stuck a foot in it. He is a chatty laddie, after all.

I'm glad it was a small thing, not a big thing. Not "disastrous" in a big way. Fixable.

He'll be on guard in future, at least in the near term!
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1corona4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:32 PM
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10. Yeah?
Did you see this?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/05/02/2558895.h...

:sarcasm: Yeah, Joe was so off base.....NOT.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:35 PM
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wellstone dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:24 PM
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3. It was me. Now I'm off to help them pick the next SCOTUS.
I am little Ms. Helpful.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:31 PM
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9. ...
:rofl:
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:48 AM
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53. LOL.
All in a days work. :rofl:
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:26 PM
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5. Biden should have worn a doctor's mask on the train just to screw with people.
Kidding.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:28 PM
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7. Yes, since medical experts have called those masks useless against viruses.
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ErinBerin84 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:30 PM
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8. yep. I remember when people were wearing masks during the SARS craze.
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:46 PM
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14. They're not completely worthless
They keep a person from absentmindedly touching their nose or mouth, which are two of the portals of entry for viruses (the third being the eyes).
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:56 PM
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15. You should inform medical authorities that they are wrong.
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Cirque du So-What Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 07:08 PM
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16. Who am I - a mere mortal - to advise demigods?
Ordinary doctors are typically insufferable enough as it is, so imagine the immense egos of those upon whom the title of 'expert' is conferred.

I'm no medical expert, but common sense tells us that keeping your dirty fingers off your face is always a good thing - never more so than during a flu outbreak.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 02:54 AM
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51. The main benefit of masks is to prevent an infected person from spreading the virus.
It also depends on the mask; a painters mask is much more effective because it seals better.

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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 10:41 AM
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59. Surgical-type masks seal just fine.
Most people just don't know how to wear them.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:55 PM
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55. They aren't usless
That is why nurses wear N95 masks in the hospital when dealing with infectious patients. The surgical masks are pretty useless as they don't filter such small particles.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:26 PM
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6. His mother broke hip recently.
Prolly going to visit.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:39 PM
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12. Didn't he take the train home to Delaware regularly before he became VP?
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 06:44 PM
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13. Yes, but like I said before, I'll bet he hasn't since becoming VP ...
he must have had a huge secret service contingent on the train with him, making it impractical. It was to let the world see him travel in a confined space, even though he said he wouldn't.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:02 PM
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21. No...I've seen him interviewed..
and while the train ride is not as it was, he can continue to use it, as he is less restricted than the President.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 08:01 PM
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17. You are wrong. He has been taking the train home on the weekends since he became VP.
Edited on Sat May-02-09 08:01 PM by Jennicut
He did not want to give up riding on Amtrak completely. He even talks about it to Gloria Borger of CNN during an interview a few weeks ago. I remember him talking about it. Here is part of the transcipt of the interview from CNN:

BIDEN: What surprised me the most is the degree of security that surrounds the vice president. I never anticipated that. I've been around a long, long time and I always kid them. I say, well, nobody cares very much about a vice president. There's not much to worry about.

But that's -- that's the thing that surprised me the most about it. I was very familiar, after all these years in Washington, with the way that the White House functions. But I never realized that I wouldn't be able to drive an automobile.

BORGER: Living in the bubble. You're this working class kid from Scranton, Pennsylvania in...

BIDEN: Well, as you notice, I -- I get out of the bubble. I insist that I take the train home, but there's a lot of Secret Service that ride with me. I insist when I'm home I still go to the grocery store. I still do the things I used to do, but it's a lot more cumbersome. That's the part that surprised me.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0904/07/sitroom....

I do think he felt bad for making anyone panic over his comments and is probably trying to show that no one should freak out.
I think the MSM tries to make to big a deal of these "gotcha type" moments from all politicians.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 08:16 PM
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18. Oh yes
I remember that interview. I knew I'd heard he still rides Amtrak, but couldn't remember where I'd heard it.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 08:42 PM
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19. Some people shouldn't post stuff when no idea what they are talking about
Edited on Sat May-02-09 08:43 PM by Jennicut
Just my two cents.
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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 08:45 PM
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20. Well, a lot of that could be
the media ignores Biden unless he makes a "perceived" gaffe. Most people don't know how active he's been.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:09 PM
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25. Seems that every time I hear the media mention him, it's always
preceded by "gaffe-prone". Yes, the guy does make gaffes now and then, but to listen to the freakin' media, you'd think the man couldn't open his mouth without sticking his foot in it.

Me thinks he's really not as "gaffe-prone" as they want us to believe.

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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:18 PM
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27. And definitely not the only politician that makes gaffes.
But for some reason, it seems like the media listens to every word that Joe says just to catch him.

One of these days I hope he loses his temper and lets them have it :)
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:21 PM
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28. Ooooh, so do I!
Pity they don't go after Michele Bachman like they do Joe.

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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 01:56 AM
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50. Me thinks you are right
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:11 PM
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22. "disastrous"
Oy vey.

You have a low threshold for "disaster."

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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:05 PM
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23. He takes the train home alot since he's been VP.
Edited on Sat May-02-09 11:08 PM by jillan
On edit - see Jenn's post - #20.

His elderly mom still lives in DE and she has not been well.
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realchk Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:49 PM
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34. Me thinks????????
Maybe you should admit you don't think. How many times I have heard someone say Obama has responded to criticism by saying I won. He won because first of all, voters are desperate. And I might add poorly informed. We no longer have news, only entertainment networks with political agendas.

Much of that agenda is simply stirring the pot, agitating viewers, playing both sides of all issues, and boosting revenue. Obama rode the crest of public dissatisfaction without any real commitment to any course of action. Of course he didn't need to. He had the support of the anyone but bush crowd. I am reminded of bush and his wmds'. Every time I turned on the tube I expected to see dumb ass and dick face standing by what used to be a poorly constructed float in some small town parade. And claiming that at last they has found a wmd. Well, they didn't need to tell that lie because they had the automatic support of millions of stupids.

You are no different. You automatically defend this planet hating idiot. His behavior has been exactly what could be expected from someone from the ghetto who never in his life woke up with a dollar in his pocket. But now that he has a seemingly endless tax payer funded bank account he can make wall street richer, and the dictator will allow no discussion.
And indiscriminate people as yourself seem to automatically support Obama. I seriously doubt you could offer one area you disagree with him. That makes you a dope on a rope, a puppet on a string. Even you probably understand my drift. But you are a puppet.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:01 AM
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36. did you reply in the wrong spot? because I don't know why you're yelling at her with that. nt
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:04 AM
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37. Haha - I just read that and think I have come to the same conclusion -
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:05 AM
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39. I realized the phrase was used further down
I was having a serious :wtf: lack of reading comprehension there!
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 09:47 AM
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58. hey freeper, fuck off....
:hi:
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realchk Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:09 PM
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24. Biden speaks up
How unbelievably sad. The vice president of the United States of America doesn't have a right to an opinion. In fact, if someone in the new regime, that I now have concluded is nothing but a continuation of the anti American thinking of the last regime, disagrees with his comments, they not only will say they disagree with his opinion, they will actually correct the actual words he spoke, and say what he meant. Am I the only one that has noticed Dennis Kucinich doesn't say much anymore? Al Gore has backed off. He said at one time that he could support bio fuel if it was done carefully. Is it OK to pee in a swimming pool if you do it carefully? That statement was a contradiction of an earlier position if I recall. Obama serves meals in the white house that was reported from an untrusted source, cnn, to cost $100 for the serving of Japanese beef per person. Just the beef. That must make American farmers proud. He flies a pizza maker in from St. Louis to make a pizza. Who paid for that? He fired the ceo of GM, presumably for not being fiscally responsible. Is that the pot calling the kettle black or what. This asshole is a Dictator. He is bush's identical twin. I opposed McCain because he is a delusional liar. We have been 8 years and counting without a president. It's time for a change that we can believe in, and Obama will only satisfy the blind and ignorant.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:12 PM
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26. Me thinks you are rather wrong here.
Obama is a dictator? He's an asshole? He's Bush's twin????????

Really??????

Perhaps you need to wash out your eyes and ears.

Obama is certainly not above criticism, but I hardly think he warrants your mindless swipes at him.

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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:22 PM
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29. I agree with you on that, but also agree with the newbie that the WH shouldn't have
tried to put words in Joe's mouth.
They should have defended him and not let the media rip him to shreds all day.
It's called loyalty - teamwork. All they would have had to say is that they are aware that alot of people feel like the VP does about travel, but according to the CDC restricting travel is not necessary at this time. Bingo - Joe's comments would have been a non-story.

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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:26 PM
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30. Agree about the "putting words in his mouth" thing. When I heard
that the WH had essentially apologized for Joe, it pissed me off. I mean, the guy is a grown man; he doesn't need someone else explaining what it was he said (and it fact, what they "explained" wasn't what he said).

And they should have defended him, no doubt.

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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:34 PM
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32. I was kinda hoping they would have given Joe a chance to explain for himself.
I just can't get over that they let him get beat up like that.

Hate to say this - but that never happened during the last administration - and look at that VP!
He even shot a man in the face and didn't get abused like Joe did on Thurs. :(
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:39 PM
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33. I know.
If something Joe says needs explaining, or backtracking, or apologizing for, then Joe should be the one to do it. And he's man enough to do so. He doesn't need a babysitter. I think the WH just make things worse, not better, by doing what they did.

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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:10 AM
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43. It only made it look worse by trying to spin his comments imo. Just say it was Joe being Joe and
move on. I wouldn't have said "this is what he really meant." I would have just said the VP was probably just being very over protective of his own family (after all he once lost two loved ones in a terrible way) but there is no need to panic. I get that Obama did not want to have anyone panic but by trying to twist Joe's words around they made the whole thing look worse.
Also, the nutty poster with the 7 posts does not get that when if criticize our Prez we still like them and support him.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 11:30 PM
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31. Too bad you're so sad. Obama is nothing like that asshole
bush. The majority of this country isn't blind and ignorant. You sound like a disgruntled and misinformed person. Deal with the fact that Barack Obama is President and he's doing a kick ass job of cleaning up the mess left behind.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:32 AM
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48. ...
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WorseBeforeBetter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:48 AM
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49. ...
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realchk Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:00 AM
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35. Generic discussion
I notice many of you like to repond with broad statements like "doing a kick ass job". I feel like I am in the midst of some republicans I have known. How about a specific example of something kick ass he has done. I'll keep this short so you don't stutter. One example please?
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realchk Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:04 AM
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38. Censorship
And while I'm at it, I notice that all posts don't make it through the du censors. How bush like is that? This web site is a sham.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:06 AM
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40. after only 8 posts you're an expert on DU's moderation system?
:shrug:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 10:42 AM
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52. I don't think she's new.
She was recently asked to leave, I think, for willfully ignoring some of the basic forum rules (the "don't talk like a Republican when referring to our elected officials" one, most particularly).

I see this persona has been shown the door as well. She'll probably try to resurrect herself under yet another name. Just note the linguistic style and manner of attack; if you see it again, it may be the same person.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:06 AM
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41. well then get your ass off it and back to freak republic. nt
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:07 AM
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42. realchk - something tells me you're going to find out what granite is.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:13 AM
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44. You sure are a nutty one. We like both our Prez and VP. Go back to Freeperville where you belong.
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:27 AM
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45. No honey, you're a sham
Perhaps you should go play on that other website.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:31 AM
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47. How real!
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:34 PM
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54. Or you are
The vast majority of posts - from any point of view within the Democratic party to the left of it have no problem remaining unless they contain personal insults.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:31 AM
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46. I wonder who "suggested" that the sun rise this morning?
I know Rahm Emanuel certainly enjoys sunrises. Hmm...
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 02:27 PM
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56. I think Jill read him the riot act
For almost starting a nation wide riot.

Thank goodness politicians have spouses to give them another view of things.
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 11:17 PM
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57. Could it be possible that it had nothing to do with his comments? Oh - my! ---


Sun, 03 May 2009 19:10:10 GMT
VP to visit Wilmington, Del. train station
WILMINGTON, Del. (AP) Vice President Joe Biden is scheduled to visit Delaware on Monday, where he is to attend the official kickoff event for the renovated Wilmington train station and discuss wind power at the University of Delaware in Newark.

Biden is scheduled to speak at the Amtrak station at 11 a.m. and appear in Newark at 1 p.m. Biden will be joined by Gov. Jack Markell at both events.

Biden has commuted on Amtrak for decades between his home in Wilmington and Washington.

http://cbs3.com/delawarewire/22.0.html?type=nplocal&sta...

c'mon people, let's give the man a little credit - ok?
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 10:44 AM
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60. Don't know, but it sounds like a stupid move
Even though his previous comments were inappropriate, they were still true. Not to mention the VPOTUS probably should take a more secure form of transportation.
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