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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:39 AM
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Did the White House censor single-payer discussion from "live blog" of health care forum transcript?

It sure looks as if they did.


How will the White House make amends for censoring single payer in its Iowa health care forum "live blog" transcript?

Tue, 03/31/2009 - 10:14pm lambert

You know, I'm old school. When I read the words "live blog," I think of a blog that, to the best of the blogger's ability, faithfully records events as they happen, for the record, in near real time -- and doesn't censor anything. The White House, apparently, takes a different view.
* * *

Dr. Jess Fiedorowicz, M.D. -- who will be live-blogging at Corrente Thursday, April 2, 8-10 p.m. CT (9-11 ET/6-8 PT) -- is a board-certified psychiatrist and clinician investigator in the Department of Psychiatry at the University of Iowa. Dr. Fiedorowicz also won the lottery for a ticket to the White House's Iowa Health Care forum -- after Iowa's (Democratic!) Governor Chet Culver, most shamefully, had tried to sell the tickets to corporate sponsors! Dr. Federowicz participated in the protests outside the hall, and also spoke inside the hall at the forum. As reported by Reuters India*:

Dr. Jess Fiedorowicz, a psychiatrist at the University of Iowa Hospitals who was with the protest group, told the meeting a majority of Americans support a "single payer" or government-run national health insurance program. "Can we put it on the table for discussion?" Fiedorowicz asked Nancy-Ann De Parle, director of the White House Office on Health Reform. "Can we study costing? Can we study feasibility of this truly universal, socially just and fiscally responsible alternate to our currently unjust and woefully inefficient system?" Fiedorowicz asked. Many in the crowd applauded.

And yet -- and I know this wil surprise you -- Dr. Fiedorowicz appears nowhere in the White House "live blog" of the event! Is Reuters wrong? Let's go to the tape (or in this case, the YouTube):

http://www.correntewire.com/how_will_white_house_make_a...




If this is true, as it appears to be, then the White House should leave this sort of baloney behind with the previous admin.

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Enrique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:54 AM
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1. what a total blow off
the governor says "we are willing to hear from everyone..." and then when a proponent of a very popular but unwelcome idea speaks, they blow him off and throw his question down the memory hole.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 02:30 PM
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2. I wonder if the 'live blogger' Rebecca Adelman at HHS is the same as this nursing home lawyer?

White House live blogger, Rebecca Adelman from HHS
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/09/03/23/Live-Blog-Regio... /


A favorite lawyer of nursing home defendants, Rebecca Adelman
http://extendedcareproducts.com/defense.php

The Nursing Home Defense Kit

From the leader in risk management educational programs for the long-term care profession, Extended Care Products, Inc. is proud to present this Audio CD and Workbook program featuring nursing home defense attorney Rebecca Adelman of the Adelman Law Firm, nursing home risk management specialist Ric Henry, President of LTC Alliance, and Chip Kessler with over 20 years experience in communications, marketing and public relations.



Yes, I know nursing home operators have a right to a defense, too, dammit. I just wonder about some of the people put in place in a Democratic administration to defend us all from single payer.

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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 03:46 PM
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13. whow, good catch and thanks for your work on this.
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 04:08 PM
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14. At times I wish nursing homeoperaters didn't have a right to a defense.
How one nurses' aide can take care of fourteen to eighteen paitents in one shift - bathing, toothbrushing, clothes change, feeding, overseeing meds, etc is beyond WILD and CARELESS.

In California a nursing home is only required to weigh a patient once every thirty days. It is common practice not to weigh them that long, even if patient has dementia and will starve before the weigh in happens.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 02:36 PM
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3. There's an opening for a flood of calls and emails.
We have to show them how many of us want single-payer. I hope everyone here is letting them know. Often.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 02:43 PM
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5. They know the people of this country want single payer.
Everyday the numbers favoring single payer go up.

It is a matter of advocating and pressuring our representatives for the needed change to single payer. Now is the time to do it. We need to make our voices heard loud and clear.

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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 03:06 PM
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9. Yes, I call my reps and senators several times a week.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 02:40 PM
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4. Single payer socialized medicine is a horrible idea
especially for my stock portfolio.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 02:44 PM
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6. Hahahahahaha
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 02:45 PM
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7. Lambert?
Edited on Wed Apr-01-09 02:50 PM by ProSense
One of Hillary's famed bloggers? Edited to be clear, the recent forum single-payer was addressed. So there is no censorship.

He claims you can't find single-payer anywhere in a transcript they linked to and that there is censorship. Transcript from the recent Q&A:

DR. BERNSTEIN: After the last recession ended in 2001, the unemployment rate went up for another 19 months before it started coming back down.

This next question -- an area close to your heart -- health care reform. From Richard in California: "Why can we not have a universal health care system, like many European countries, where people are treated based on needs rather than financial resources?"

THE PRESIDENT: Well, first of all, I was in this room last month in what we called a health care forum. And we brought all the members of Congress, Republicans and Democrats who were interested in this issue; we brought together various constituency groups, insurance companies, drug companies, you name it. And my message to them was: Now is the time to reform the health care system -- not four years from now, not eight years from now, not 20 years from now. Now.

And the reason -- (laughter) -- the reason that I think it is so important is that the high costs of health care are a huge drag on our economy. It's a drag on our families. I can't tell you how many personal stories that I hear about people who are working, maybe have two parents working and yet still don't have health care. And the decisions that they have to make -- excruciating decisions about whether or not somebody goes to a doctor -- it makes them less productive, it makes them less mobile in terms of being able to take new jobs or start a new business because they're worried about hanging on to their health care. So it's a drag on families.

But it's a drag on businesses, as well. There's not a small business or large business out here who hasn't seen their health care costs skyrocket, and it cuts into their profits.

And it's a drag on the federal budget and the state budgets. That's the thing that is going to potentially break the bank here in the United States. Medicare and Medicaid, if we don't get control of that, that is the biggest driver of our long-term deficits.

So when people -- when you hear this budget debate that's taking place right now, and folks say, oh, you know, President Obama's budget, he's increasing money for veterans and he's increasing money for education, and he's doing all these things that -- that's going to bust the budget, what they don't understand is, is that if you add up the recovery package that we've already passed and you add up the various proposals I have to grow the economy through clean energy and all that stuff that we're doing, that amounts to a fraction of the long-term deficit and debt that we're facing. The lion's share of it has to do with Medicare and Medicaid and the huge, rising cost of health care. So our attitude is, better to pay now and make an investment in improving the health care system rather than waiting and finding ourselves in a situation where we can't fix it.

Now, the question is, if you're going to fix it, why not do a universal health care system like the European countries? I actually want a universal health care system; that is our goal. I think we should be able to provide health insurance to every American that they can afford and that provides them high quality.

So I think we can accomplish it. Now, whether we do it exactly the way European countries do or Canada does is a different question, because there are a variety of ways to get to universal health care coverage.

A lot of people think that in order to get universal health care, it means that you have to have what's called a single-payer system of some sort. And so Canada is the classic example: Basically, everybody pays a lot of taxes into the health care system, but if you're a Canadian, you're automatically covered. And so you go in -- England has a similar -- a variation on this same type of system. You go in and you just say, "I'm sick," and somebody treats you, and that's it.

The problem is, is that we have what's called a legacy, a set of institutions that aren't that easily transformed. Let me just see a show of hands: How many people here have health insurance through your employer? Okay, so the majority of Americans, sort of -- partly for historical accident. I won't go into -- FDR had imposed wage controls during war time in World War II. People were -- companies were trying to figure out how to attract workers. And they said, well, maybe we'll provide health care as a benefit.

And so what evolved in America was an employer-based system. It may not be the best system if we were designing it from scratch. But that's what everybody is accustomed to. That's what everybody is used to. It works for a lot of Americans. And so I don't think the best way to fix our health care system is to suddenly completely scrap what everybody is accustomed to and the vast majority of people already have. Rather, what I think we should do is to build on the system that we have and fill some of these gaps.

And I'm looking to Congress to work with me to find that optimal system. I made some proposals during the campaign about how we can lower costs through information technologies; how we can lower costs through reforms in how we reimburse doctors so that they're not getting paid just for the number of operations they're doing, but for whether they're quality outcomes; investing in prevention so that kids with asthma aren't going to the emergency room, but they're getting regular checkups.

So there are a whole host of things that we can do to cut costs, use that money that we're saving then to provide more coverage to more people. And my expectation is, is that I will have a health care bill to sign this year. That's what we're going to be fighting for. That's what we're going to be striving for.

Can I just interrupt, Jared, before you ask the next question, just to say that we -- we took votes about which questions were going to be asked and I think 3 million people voted or --




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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 02:58 PM
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8. ??? I believe you have made a mistake by quoting a transcript not in question.
???

You are apparently referencing remarks made at a different gathering in a different city.

I found no mention in the blogger's account that was linked, as stated.

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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 03:11 PM
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11. Here is the transscript from the correct reginal meeting discissed in OP:


This comment is still from the above post which I clicked on the embedded story/website:



http://www.correntewire.com/how_will_white_house_make_a...

"And now, 54 minutes in (if I did my arithmetic right) here is the part the White House's so-called "live blogger" censored, as transcribed by PNHP (not Reuters):
"



http://www.pnhp.org/blog/2009/03/23/socially-just-truly... /


The official blog of
BLOG PNHP WEBSITE ABOUT PNHP SINGLE PAYER RESOURCES

Socially just, truly universal and fiscally responsible
Posted by Andrew Coates, MD on Monday, Mar 23, 2009

In Des Moines today, at the third White House Regional Forum on Health Reform:

Greetings everybody and thanks for hosting this. Im delighted that were talking about these issues.

My name is Jess Fiedorowicz. Im a physician and faculty member at the University of Iowa. And Im here representing Physicians for a National Health Program.

Jack Hatch had mentioned that he thought that health care was a human right. I agree. But if it is a human right then why are we settling short of not covering every Iowan? This plan does not cover every Iowan.

The majority of Americans, and the majority physicians, support single payer national health insurance. Single payer national health insurance is the only true path to universal care.

Governor Culver, you mentioned pooling. How about this for a pool? Everybody In! How is that for a pool?

Nancy-Ann DeParle, I have a question for you.

With the majority of Americans and the majority of physicians supporting single payer national health insurance, can we put it on the table for discussion?

Can we discuss, can we study costing? Can we study the feasibility of this socially just, truly universal and fiscally responsible alternative to our currently unjust and woefully inefficient system?


Governor Culvers reply:

Thank you. Its on the table now! Which is the purpose of this meeting, to hear from everyone thats willing to try to help us solve this national crisis, this national challenge.......................
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 03:18 PM
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12. White House censorship of a Health Care Reform forum is a disgrace and a travesty




http://www.correntewire.com/how_will_white_house_make_a...

Clearly, White House censorship of a Health Care Reform forum is a disgrace and a travesty. Read the eloquent words with which Obama opened the White House Summit:

In this effort, every voice has to be heard. Every idea must be considered. Every option must be on the table. There should be no sacred cows.
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biopowertoday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 03:08 PM
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10. Trying to discredit the blogger is Rovian.
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:39 PM
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15. Lambert has updated his post with a response to this
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