69 Days - 69 Fucking Days and Folks Are Already Bitching

[Yavin4]

Most jobs give people a 90 day probation period.

Glad I don't work for some of the DUers on GDP.

[Skittles]

1. so we have to wait 90 days if we don't like something to talk about it?

[OKNancy]

4. I don't think it's that really

I think it's just the over the top criticism. Jumping on editorial opinions as fact, taking news headlines out of context or considering the source of the article, dire predictions of future doom and gloom when it's way too early to know, those types of things are what are so annoying to me.

Then there is the total blindness to the politics of it all. Obama has to work with the system and it's not going to change no matter how much the vocal 5% want it.

[Skittles]

6. I don't see it that way

I see it as people getting upset that there isn't total, absolute blind support which no politician deserves

[Hansel]

18. Perhaps you are misinterpretting.

There have been plenty of posts on this board where someone tries to offer a reasonable response as to why they support what Obama is doing or why they are not that upset about something he's done. Then I see responses from those who don't like that they have been disagreed with saying that the responder is blindly supporting Obama.

So far there have been a few things that I disagree with Obama on, but I'm willing to wait and see what happens. Overall, he is doing a pretty good job and having watched Obama for several years now, I have perceived that he does not play all of his cards at once and he sometimes surprises you. I also know that the media tends to take him out of context and distort the meaning of what he says or intends. My conclusion is that before "freaking out" over what he does or says, I wait for all of the cards to be play (so I'm not played) and I take just about everything the media says with a grain of salt.

[butterfly77]

51. That is the problem..

you think it is blind support it is not. We are looking,watching waiting and evaluating just like everyone else but, some have been at it before Jan 20 jumping on every move he makes,.

The stimulus package hasn't even reached some yet and there are many other factors but the main fact is it is too early and everyone has an opinion. We have a President with the worst problems in history that many know have not occurred overnight but they pretend as though they are reading everything he is,getting every report and some pretend as though the situations in Iraq,Afghanistan or pakistan haven't change over time.

Some also try to pretend as though they didn't hear over and over again that the President said he would put more troops in Afghanistan they pretend this fake outrage..Yes,we all are concerned but a lot of people are full of shit and Republicons on board...

[Skittles]

63. speak for yourself

there are plenty of goose steppers on this board

[cboy4]

78. It would be my honor to join you in kicking some

goose stepping ass.

Yes INDEED.

[Djinn]

80. some of knew that fine well

his views/policy positions on Afghanistan SUCK

IT'S STILL A SHITTY POLICY WHETHER HE ENUNCIATED BEFORE THE ELECTION OR NOT

Why is that SO hard for those who will not countenance any criticism to understand.

I don't care whether Obama spelled it out in fireworks and danced naked with a sandwich board - it's STILL a shitty policy

[Bluebear]

85. 91, I think

[Norrin Radd]

2. Sixty-nine, dude!

[cboy4]

3. What's worse? The bitching or the whining about the bitching?

I know what irritates me more.

[Skittles]

7. I hear you cboy

oh yes INDEED

[AZBlue]

64. The bitching.

[cboy4]

73. Wrong!

But we have some beautiful parting gifts.

[AZBlue]

75. Yes we do - be sure to pick up your case of Rice A Roni & don't let the door hit you on your way out

It's funny to see those who are wrong tell someone else they are wrong. Kind of proves the point though. :rofl:

[cboy4]

77. I agree

But don't be so hard on yourself.

[terisan]

5. Which Boss would let you give away trillions of his or her $$$ over 2 months without complaining?

[dcindian]

8. wake me when you and the administration stop tacit approval of torture.

takes less then a day to strongly come out in support of holding the tortures accountable.

[JVS]

9. At least the bankers are happy! What a success!

[lamp_shade]

10. Jeez they're up early this morning.

[tavalon]

11. It's our job for the next eight years to protect his back and keep his feet to the fire

If you have a problem with us doing our job, that's your problem, not ours.

[Bluenorthwest]

12. Shorter OP:

Everyone is different from me and won't do as I say! Whaaaaaaaaa!

[MannyGoldstein]

13. Actually, 2991 Days

Since Obama's economic policy is the same as Bush's, we should count from 1/20/2000, no?

[digidigido]

30. Manny, does anyone take you seriously?

[ArchieStone1]

14. If a President makes sugar illegal during his 2nd day. Should we wait 90 days to criticize?

I wouldn't.

Not that Obama has made anything of that sort, but this is to show you that the people need to always be vigilant, since day 1.

[Sebastian Doyle]

58. Don't give Vilsuck and Monsanto any ideas!

If they thought they could get away with it, they probably would.

[WeDidIt]

15. My ignore list is longer than it was last year at this time

it's disgusting.

[digidigido]

31. I hear you, either the board is being bombarded by trolls, or DUers are pretty fuckin dumb

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[AZBlue]

65. I know - this is making the primaries look like a Sunday parade.

[peoli]

16. they've been bitching since day 1

[LiberalFighter]

17. The problem is that they all expect the President to do what he promised NOW.

[high density]

19. Probably time for a GD: Whine about the Prez forum

Both GD and GD:P are borderline worthless with the disruptions going on now.

[Laurab]

23. I couldn't agree with you more.

I've been thinking that every time I come to DU for the last couple of weeks. It's hard to find actual information, news, and especially anything supporting the President. I also see numerous bashing OP's started by the same person daily - and not just one person, several people.

I was thinking maybe we should go back to the 3 OP limit, but even that seems too many for these people. I do think something needs to be done to make this "Democratic Underground" again. I thought one of the rules was that we support Democratic leaders and candidates, and that's just not happening.

[Djinn]

81. I've been here since '03

I've never supported any Dem leaders, the admins don't seem to mind, they appear to have a broader mind than many posting here waiting eagerly for the pograms to start

[Laurab]

88. What are "pogams"?

Here is what I see under the Rules: "2. Who We Are: Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office. Democratic Underground is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, and comments posted here are not representative of the Democratic Party or its candidates."

I'm just curious as to why you would spend time on Democratic Underground if you've "never supported any Dem leaders". It really doesn't make sense.

[Djinn]

89. try reading those rules again

Who We Are: Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office. Democratic Underground is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, and comments posted here are not representative of the Democratic Party or its candidates."

I actually CAN'T be a Democrat however there are (and always have been) lots of non Democrats posting here and the admins have tolerated us, maybe those taking issue with this fact should take it up with them.

As for why I come here - in short I have chronic insomnia and late night TV is appalling in Melbourne.

It's one of the faster moving boards so despite taking hiatus every now and then (back recently after a long absence) I often find myself back here when the small hours get dull.

I do not view it as anything more than time wasting, sharing of info and a chat with people I wouldn't normally meet (without a really long swim). I've been politically active (mostly in the labour movement but also in regards to Palestine, refugee/migration issues and anti-imperialism) for a very long time and have never viewed arseing about online as even remotely connected to activism - maybe why I don't get so defensive on who should or shouldn't be posting here.

On edit - it's pogrom not pogam (also not pogRAms - typo in the other post - forgive me it was probably somewhere around 3am when I wrote it) it's not an obscure reference, especially not for a political board, unless of course you were just being smartarsey about my typo which would be funny in light of your own - find it a tad hard to believe you genuinely didn't know what it referred to but you seem to not be a smarmy person and I'm trying to give up cynicism for lent

[lostnotforgotten]

20. The Problem Is That The Rhetoric Of Change Does Not Match The Rhetoric Of The Administration

Seems as if the DLC insiders, Wall Street Insiders, and retread Clinton insiders are running the show.

[geek tragedy]

21. They always hated Obama, they always will hate him.

They want him to fail. They and Limbaugh are two peas in a pod.

[skepticscott]

22. Well, in Limbaugh's case

a really BIG pod...

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[Rockholm]

25. People have been bitching since the primaries.

[FrenchieCat]

27. To some extent, for some, this is just an extended election......

I think some folks really believe that they get to vote for him again come November....and so they are operating as such. Kind of fruitless, but if it makes their lives more fulfilled by doing this, more power to them.

I'm operating like he has 4 years to make good, but have send my request letters straight to the source as I have seen fit, when I am disappointed or need clarification on any issue.

However, I don't expect other folks to do as I do, because they are not me.

Some folks are selfish with their specific criticisms, and will make their point of disatisfaction known, and then ease off. I have great respect for that type of a fair evaluation.

Others however become quite repetitive and/or can be expected not to like anything, or only bother to comment on what they don't like, while ignoring any good news as trivial and not worth the mention. These folks are as predictable as some folks believe that I am....the only difference is that I am a positive individual, and so my comments are never meant to hurt, diminish or to castigate anyone just because I have that power by virtue of my ability to comment on these boards. Not so with certain folks who have a gift in seeing the worse in every single thing there is.

So, if these folks want to declare everyday a doomsday because of something Obama said, or a piece of policy that wasn't exactly up to snuff just "so" as they saw fit, or the link of association they believe means that certain individuals are nothing short of monsters, that is their right.....and it is equally my right to roll my eyes, attempt to discuss it with them or simply ignore them (same goes for those who want to roll their eyes at me, etc...)

I would add though that comparing Barack Obama to George Bush on any subject signals who to put on my ignore list. Anyone that is that out-to-lunch to where they cannot see the great wide chasm between the two in their approach, ideology, substance, or vision, doesn't deserve my time or attention, and to a great degree I judge them as too stupid and unreasonable for me to bother to respond to their type of tripe....because believe you me, that is all that it is.

Anyways, 68 days down, and 1,392 or 2,852 days, which ever the case may be, to go!

[walldude]

26. You are on political message board and you are worried about bitching?

Oh and BTW a probation period is just that. It doesn't mean if you get a job at a store and accidently burn it down in the first week that you will keep your job.

Not that Obama has burned down the house yet but he has made some dumbass moves. I still support him though.

[Yavin4]

38. I'm Upset About Unwarranted Bitching

There is a difference.

<<Not that Obama has burned down the house yet but he has made some dumbass moves.>>

Have you evern run anything? Have you ever been in a leadership position of any kind where you have to make a ton of decisions and work with people who hate you?

[Djinn]

82. Actually plenty of people here have

some of us even do it WITHOUT GETTING PAID

Shitty positions are shitty positions - doesn't matter whether they were made before or after the election, enunciated before or after.

What on earth is the problem anyway? Does anyone fretting about the evil nasty anti Obama posters, actually think we're doing anything other than sharing information here?

D'you think BO is gonna log in one day, see a critic and throw his hands in the air and give the Presidency back to Bush? Is your support for him so wafer thin that it can not broach any criticism? Has anyone actually posted an "anti" or "whinging" thread as devoid of substance as the OP in THIS one? If people criticise him and they're factually wrong, why can't you just state that?

Exactly what is the problem with criticising shitty decisions?

[GeorgeGist]

28. Presidents aren't given probation.

So quit your bitching.

[FrenchieCat]

29. I think you both can bitch.

how's that? :shrug:

But certainly, The President has to be given a fair reasonable amount of time, as he is dealing with a multitude of demands made from everywhere there is....or should we just go around giving a daily performance rating and judge based on occurrences as the occur? The media is into the daily scorecard, because it gives them something to talk about that isn't usually pleasant....but the last time I checked Patience had been made a virtue, and impatience was seen universally as a personality flaw. That should tell us something.

[Djinn]

83. universally viewed as a personality flaw?

really? when did this "universally" approved/disapproved list of personality traits come out? How come nobody told me?

please let me know the acceptable amount of time to wait before criticising a position that SUCKS, wouldn't want to fall foul of those universally accepted positive character traits.

[craigmatic]

32. People are bitching because he doesn't have that much time left to make progress

He's done alot but could do alot more. So far other than making a few major changes in foreign policy and attempting to coddle the republicans Obama hasn't done that much. He's running out of time for making major domestic policy changes.

[FrenchieCat]

33. See, I disagree.

He has time, and he will take it.

From where I sit and from all that I have ever come accross, Patience is a virtue, while impatience is universally understood as being a personality flaw.

[omega minimo]

41. The ship of state is patiently being driven toward a corporate state. Enjoy your nap.

:hi:

[Yavin4]

42. Wow, So 69 Days Is Plenty of Time To...

Completely dismantle the corporate state which has taken over 30 years to build, and he should do this without ANY congressional approval at all.


The sheer amount of ignorance, in particular political ignorance, is astounding.

[omega minimo]

45. I didn't say that so back off

Your "sheer amount of ignorance, in particular political ignorance, is astounding."

Don't project your bs on me. I said what I said. That's it. Deal.

And look at the GD OPs (including mine) on the state of the economic meltdown.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5345808

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5346131&mesg_id=5346131

[FrenchieCat]

47. You may see yourself as witty

But it is not as impressive as you think.

We have time,
and no, not all will be perfect by the time the time is through,
but it will be way more better, and that is all that I ever expected,
because unlike the cynics, I always understood what could be
and what couldn't be achieve in 69 days....or 2,852 days for that matter.

At least, I'd rather be taking a nap and know it,
than walking around with my eyes closed to political realities,
and acting like those limitations meant nothing.
because that would make me an impractical babbling fool.

[omega minimo]

48. I'm not your generic whoever-the-hell- you-think-you're-talking-to

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5345808

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5346131&mesg_id=5346131

[FrenchieCat]

52. No not generic, but common enough...

who for whatever reason demands and expect
that Obama changes government as we know it,
and do it via executive order issued yesterday.

Far as I'm concerned, understanding what is,
and what is possible to do about it,
are two different concepts that can co-exist at the same time.

[omega minimo]

60. "common enough" for your generic assumptions to be misdirected. Pls see link & quit thinking blk&wht

[craigmatic]

53. ou think he has time but he doesn't most of his agenda has to get put in place before this fall

after that congress goes into campaign mode and nobody is going to want to stick their neck out for the President. Also, I think this is just about as strong as the democratic congress is going to get and it's all downhill from here so he has to get big domestic things done quickly.

[Sebastian Doyle]

59. He doesn't have as much time as you think.

It's not a matter of 8 years, or even 4. Because if clear progress has not been made by November 2010, we will lose a shitload of seats in both houses of Congress, and the whore media & electro-fraud machine companies will pull out all the stops to ensure that is the case. Only massive turnout can beat the Diebolding of elections, and turnout will work in our favor IF things are getting better. But right now that's a huge IF. Certainly not Obama's fault that the Chimp left such an enormous pile of shit to work with, but that's not going to matter in 20 months.

[AZBlue]

66. Are you serious? What's this deadline you have in your head?

[specimenfred1984]

34. Now is not the time to protest my fellow good Germans

Stand behind your leader and salute, keep your mouths shut.

Nice........

[FrenchieCat]

40. Indirectly comparing this President to Hitler

says more about your paranoia than it says about this President,
or the American people.

[Two Americas]

71. didn't do that

The other poster is comparing followers, not leaders.

[Arkana]

35. I don't like to come here anymore because I'm really fucking sick of reading

about how HAY GUYS BARACK OBUMMER IS THE SAME AS BUSH 4:20 AMIRITE LEGALIZE WEED FUCK THA GOVERNMENT.

[butterfly77]

39. Say it again!

Kicked and recommended!!

[CaliLiberal]

43. 90days? At least a 6 months

Some people really thought he was gonna change the entire country in a few days

[dave29]

44. Note to OP, there was bitching before the inauguration

and there will be bitching until he leaves office

[Deja Q]

46. 69? Dang, I wouldn't be complaining...

Unless my partner had cooties...

:yoiks:

[Raine1967]

49. PLEASE-- are you kidding me?

People were complaining 1 week in. I am outraged -- OUTRAGED I TELL YOU!

I can't believe it took you so long to notice!!! :D

:sarcasm:
I understand... I do.

***sigh***

(snicker -- 69? oh My oh my.... )

[omega minimo]

50. I'm sorry if this is a Bitch About The Bitching thread; here is some important info inc. support and

critique of the Obama administration.

Very clearly stated and worth reading/watching the whole thing.

[FrenchieCat]

54. You are bitching at this nation and what it has possibly become....

and that's understanble.
However, to lay this all on the steps of the Obama administration,
who in 69 days, has done quite a bit to reverse some of the course we are on,
but has still much work ahead,
is unreasonable, period.

But bitch away.

[omega minimo]

61. YOU ARE TALKING TO A FIGMENT OF YOUR IMAGINATION OR SOMEONE ELSE ON SOME THREAD

maybe not even this one :wtf:

[omega minimo]

69. links

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5345808

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5346131&mesg_id=5346131

[girl gone mad]

55. The administration has made actual decisions..

with real consequences within the last 69 days.

Precisely when will you find criticism of these decisions acceptable?

[Two Americas]

56. horrible

This is just awful.

Why, why, why are people beating this drum?


...

[Kaleva]

57. It will only get worse

[sniffa]

62. Let the man unpack his bags

[BlooInBloo]

67. Actually, DUers bitched before he took office.

[Political Heretic]

68. I am kind of getting a kick out of watching the day count go up for each of these OPs

....only 14 fucking days!!

....only 30 fucking days!!

....only 60 fucking days!!

....only 90 fucking days!!

....only 100 fucking days!!!

....only one year!!!

....only his first term!!!


....only our first Dem. President......


Translation: it's never the appropriate time to be critically engaged with your presidential administration. That's the message.

[Milo_Bloom]

70. Most idiotic post yet.

The PLANS people are bitching about are things that are going to effect us for years to come.

[Marrah_G]

72. We get it- you want all dissent squashed until you deem it is okay

[Starry Messenger]

74. Well, I'll go mark the calendar then.

:eyes:

[doc03]

76. In 69 days he has plans to create a deficit

it will take probably 69 years to dig out of, if ever.

[Djinn]

79. THIS was rec'd??

wow - the standard for political debate has plummeted on DU

[Bluebear]

84. You got that right.

[Hellataz]

86. People here were bitching before he even started the job. Some people just need to complain.

Not that some complaints are warranted, but the negativity here seems sometimes like people think the other side won.

[quickesst]

87. "Glad I don't work for some of the DUers on GDP."

I would be willing to bet that if you did work for most of those you refer to, chances are you would not be working for a Democrat. A real one anyway. Thanks.
quickesst