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EraOfResponsibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:18 PM
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No other President has received this many death threats in the recorded history of the Sec. Service
"He must be stopped"

These four words are repeatedly echoed by numerous Far Right politicians and commentators and passed down to their cretinous minions. The goal behind the chant is obvious, and dangerous. It's designed to not just discredit Mr. Obama, but endanger the life of the President of the United States.

In my 61 years on Earth, I've never heard anything remotely like the current and barely couched public threats of violence against a President of the United States.

Whether reckless or deliberate, Republican leadership has engendered a call to violence - and its actuation could be realized in one unthinkable second.

Ever since Sarah Palin began her campaign to stir up hate against then candidate Obama, theSecret Service began to see alarming increases in death threats against him. Today (according to some estimates) death threats against the President are running far higher than any time in history.

Don't believe for a minute that Palin, Keyes, Limbaugh, DeLay and others are not acutely aware of the danger they are promoting against the life of the President of the United States.

They know how popular Obama is and they know how high American opinion is running against the policies of the Far Right. These people are morally bankrupt and reckless (or ruthless) enough to deliberately promote murder - especially when they can easily create some sick son of a bitch Oswald wannabe to do the deed for them.

No longer is the extreme fringe under the sole ownership of the Ann Coulters of the World. It seems as if most of the endangered Republican dinasaurs are ratcheting up the lunatic roar. It's a desperate and despicable effort to overcome the flood tide of American opinion rejecting their twisted vision.

WHAT will be our society's return message to Mr. Keyes and gang - and WHEN will it be delivered?
What are law enforcement agencies actively doing to further protect the President's life?
Considering the current dangerous atmosphere created by the Right, it would be prudent to assume it's not enough.
Arresting the rabble-rousers before (or after) any violent act is committed would be difficult. The mob leaders stop just short of risking their own back sides by cautiously measuring their message.

So here are my suggestions:
Call or write to the Secret Service and FBI and let THEM know your specific concerns. If enough concerned citizens call and/or write to these Federal (and local) law enforcement agencies, maybe we can help effect a further increase in the President's security.
Likewise, if enough of us publicly admonish these people for the reckless language that has become synonymous with neo-Republican leadership, we'll have an opportunity to shut down the instigators short of their goal.
If nothing is done to discourage this "incendiary" and "ugly" language (as Michael Steele called it before apologizing to his boss, Rush), we may once again find ourselves a violence-bound pariah among civilized nations - and this time, it will really foreshadow the doom that the ignorant Mr. Keyes predicted. These Right Wing bastards must be told that Americans WILL hold them directly accountable for their ill-considered words.

In my opinion, we're already running out of time.

Read the rest of this article here
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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:24 PM
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1. Sarah "Grand Wizardress" Palin
was the core of the hate brigade that came out against the now President of the United States.
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EraOfResponsibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:39 PM
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10. absolutely it all started with her
now obviously this level of threats were going to happen anyway, but what Palin did was basically help it along by poking the stick at the beehive several times.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 12:51 AM
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108. Yes, she made death threats "cool" and acceptable.
:puke:
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:24 PM
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2. Looks like this OP has enough for a straw village.
:eyes:
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EraOfResponsibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:33 PM
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4. Really? You think this isn't a real issue?
and if an attempt is made on Obama I'll be looking at you.
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:43 PM
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37. I'm not saying that.
I'm saying that this article is a horribly fucking written article. Everything ominous is attributed to straw men. Articles like this, irregardless of content, have no validity.
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wbramh Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 04:22 AM
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44. Straw Digs
"Irregardless" is not an accepted written word in the English language.
Try using "Regardless" in its place.
It will raise your own validity as a talented writer.
But to the point, can you find a "Straw Man" in the article and share him with us?
Ray Bolger had no mention - anyone else?
There is no preponderance of evidence since there is, thankfully, no corpus delicti.
However, the article was written as opinion and placed for public consumption on an Opinion page
Additionally, the article was accompanied by 15 related news stories and video links in support of the point.
So what's YOUR point?
Here's a link to the original:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/3/3/5513/92704/784/7...
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psychopomp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:01 AM
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68. Proper formatting is also an indication of a talented writer
Try using paragraphs and using fewer words to make your point.
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:43 PM
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83. Ok, I'll bite
"They know how popular Obama is"

"These people are morally bankrupt and reckless (or ruthless)"

"they can easily create some sick son of a bitch Oswald wannabe to do the deed for them"

"Today (according to some estimates) death threats against the President"

"It seems as if most of the endangered Republican dinasaurs are ratcheting up the lunatic roar"


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mwb970 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 06:30 AM
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53. I understand the OP's concern, but...
Saying "Today (according to some estimates) death threats against the President are running far higher than any time in history", giving no sources or backup info, is useless and conveys no real information at all. "Some estimates"? Come on.

If the statement is true, provide a source. Otherwise you sound like you're just making stuff up to scare everyone, like the righties do. We're better than that.
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wbramh Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 05:35 PM
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97. This is getting silly
My original article appeared on Daily Kos and contained numerous cross references validating my claims.
Here's just one among 15 which I referenced and appeared on AOL's News Site:

"Threats against a new president historically spike right after an election, but from Maine to Idaho law enforcement officials are seeing more against Barack Obama than ever before. The Secret Service would not comment or provide the number of cases they are investigating. But since the Nov. 4 election, law enforcement officials have seen more potentially threatening writings, Internet postings and other activity directed at Obama than has been seen with any past president-elect, said officials aware of the situation who spoke on condition of anonymity because the issue of a president\'s security is so sensitive."

I'm not familiar with Democratic Underground's site (I didn't cross-post the article - only heard about it from another poster) Apparently, the links don't transfer with the article.

Please read my references in MY posting before drawing conclusions about my research techniques.
Thanks,
wbramh
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:39 PM
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9. Because there have been NO assassinations or attempts AT ALL in the last 46 years, right?
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 05:41 PM by WinkyDink
JFK
RFK
MLK, Jr.
Malcolm X
Medgar Evers
Wallace
Ford
Reagan

Yeah, go roll your eyes---at Arlington.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 08:02 AM
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56. You forgot Biggie and Tupac
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:25 AM
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63. Yeah, I left out all ShowBiz murders (NOT "assassinations"). Your point?
Edited on Wed Mar-04-09 09:25 AM by WinkyDink
Or I would've mentioned Lennon.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:17 AM
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71. You forgot Clinton.

There was the kamikaze attack that crashed into the White House lawn plus the guy shooting at the White House from the street.


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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:42 AM
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76. I was trying to count attempts actually in person. Clinton was at Blair House for the plane crash,
and the other guy was "shooting at the White House".
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:26 PM
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3. We all need to be vigilant. There are some nasty people in this
world and they are being pumped up to do "something".
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EraOfResponsibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #3
6. If I had the stomach for it I would troll free republic
because I'm sure threats against his life are made there every single day. SAme with Red State
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live love laugh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 07:59 AM
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54. "There are some nasty people in this world." Yep and they are called Republicans. nt
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:00 AM
Response to Reply #3
59. they are rats backed in a corner.
and they have a very sick way of viewing things.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:34 PM
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5. Any bets on how long it will be before they make a movie about the assassination?
I used to think it would not be allowed, but somebody made one about Bush. I'm sure the right wing will have a field day--maybe Kelsey Grammer will star.
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EraOfResponsibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:37 PM
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8. man, no comment on that assassination movie about Bush
lol
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:31 PM
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21. They caused more of a stink over the Reagan HBO movie
And he was already dead--go figure.

I really thought the Bush movie would create more of an uproar, but it just seems to have made assassination a boring non-event.
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:26 PM
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25. It was a Channel 4 Soapumentary
It really showed how dangerous a Dick Presidency would be more than any thing else.

As for when the hard right will attempt anything - they are openly discussing it and despite of (or possibly inspite) an article discouraging such talk, it is being openly discussed by the bigoted followers of Larry Johnson.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:01 PM
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17. He can return as
Side show Bob. But yes this is s serious matter and we should take some time to write and tell them the Repukes have gone too far.


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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:35 PM
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7. They better pray that nothing happens to our new President.
Because if it does, it's going to be a full-fledged WAR, and I'm going to consider every single person who uttered shit like, 'He must be stopped!' or 'He pals around with terrorists!' or, 'He's the most dangerous socialist in the world.' an enemy of the United States, and I will fucking do my part to defend this country against them.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:46 PM
Response to Reply #7
12. Hear Hear
This isn't funny any longer.

They better cut the shit.

Now.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:00 PM
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16. Yes, they had better stop this.
I didn't say a lot of what I really wanted to say, but I will not hesitate to go absolutely batshit if anything happens to President Obama because of these asshats, and I will go batshit ON these asshats.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:02 PM
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18. Oh, there will be beat downs!!!
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 09:09 PM
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31. I was thinking the same thing
I don't believe the talking heads that are shouting this crap from the mountain tops really know the repurcussions of their rhetoric.

This will be a civil war if anything happens to anyone in WA.

To the Secret Service these men and women who lay their lives down to protect our President, bless them.
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:26 AM
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110. It would be a sad day indeed
I would hope it doesn't come to war in the streets but I think it would.
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Festusss Donating Member (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:43 PM
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11. This needs to be stopped. Right. Now
I guess the only positive in this is that all of these fucking assholes are coming out of the woodworks. Time to find out who the fuck they are, where they are, and toss every last one of them in prison.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:49 PM
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13. They are nuts. And they are not just limited to the Republican party.
I'm not one bit surprised. They break the law on a community-wide basis in local towns, and they have Democratic assistance. If I were Obama, I wouldn't take anything for granted. If I were in that Secret Service team, I would start profiling these demented people. Wouldn't be surprised to find out they're all Limbaugh fans.
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wbramh Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 04:26 AM
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46. Wouldn't be surprised that one of them IS Limbaugh!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:50 PM
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14. With the number of people out of work, if anything happens...
Shit, meet fan.
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:07 PM
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19. Do not mess with people who have nothing to lose.
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EraOfResponsibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:41 PM
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22. exactly n/m
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:57 PM
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15. I'm not that worried about some random wingnut with an assault rifle.
Security around the President is, by all accounts, extremely tight and extremely vigilant. I do worry, though, about fascist elements within the government deciding to attempt a coup d'etat of the JFK variety, and making it look like some lone wingnut pulled the trigger. Fortunately Obama didn't make the mistake of picking someone politically to his right as his VP.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:23 PM
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20. I am worried about this too, especially as more and more things are revealed
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 06:23 PM by Jennicut
about the Bushies. I am not paranoid, just a realist. The last guys in charge were dangerous and I would put nothing past them. I actually worry about both the Prez and VP a lot. Thankfully the Secret Service does a great job.
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:43 PM
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23. They'd kill for a billion in bonuses.
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EraOfResponsibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:27 PM
Response to Reply #23
26. That's right. Hate and fear are two things that can get people riled up
but mess with rich people's money like Obama's trying to do? You know where I'm going with this.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:19 PM
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24. really great post
I've been trying to be vigilant about this stuff. I report people online who make death threats against the POTUS to the SS. I also let the person know that their language and belief system is OUTSIDE OF ACCEPTABLE NORMS and WILL NOT BE TOLERATED by decent society. I do everything I can to shame them so that others who are reading this filth realize that it's not OK.

I'll also take up the suggestions in this article.

It really brings up the free speech versus inciting hatred and violence rights and the right of normal citizens to feel safe and not terrorized.

It might seem ridiculous to some, but I don't appreciate feeling like a target of a large contingent of nut jobs simply because I'm a liberal, have an Obama sticker on my car, etc. I don't appreciate having to look around me when I enter a "liberal" establishment to check for nut jobs. I don't appreciate living in a state where these freaks can take their guns into restaurants.

And I really don't appreciate feeling slightly terrorized (what is the difference in the terror of a terrorists and what these people are doing?) about our President's safety.

Flame me as anti-free speech, but I'm really getting sick of it and I don't think enough weight is being given to the right of normal people to not feel they are being subjected to the unhinged hatred of dangerous people.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:08 AM
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40. Free speech also entails being responsible for your speech
Hatred comes with a price both for the country and the hate directed at that person or people.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:12 AM
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41. good point
why doesn't anyone ever talk about the responsibility? maybe when phil gramm told us we were a nation of whiners, he should have directed that at his own sheeples. they whine about free speech now (after rush gets them whipped into a frenzy about how Obama is a tyrant who is going to bring them down and take away their guns) -- but their idea of "free speech" is hate, violence, and lies.

In other words, slander isn't free speech, nor is hate speech....
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 06:18 AM
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52. so does that mean we should all stop using harsh, often hateful terms to refer to repubs?
I don't plan on stopping myself, but I guess I'm just funny that way.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 08:53 AM
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58. We make fun of their stupidity and meanness, they use racist terms about our President
There is a difference. When they use "Obambi" its just a stupid nickname to say Obama is naive. When they put his face on a box of pancakes with racist name calling on it, when they say he is friends with terrorists then there is a problem. When I say McLame I make fun of McCain being well, lame. Fun stuff is harmless to me. Racist hatred topped off with calling our President pretty much a terrorist is not harmless. That is why it is called being responsible: knowing when you have gone too far. I never wish death on any Republican. I try to not make fun of physical appearance unless its like Rush where he makes fun of everyone else including Al Gore. Its a tough line to walk but we are better then they are if we take the higher road.
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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #58
94. So did you oppose the display with Palin being hung?
Personally, I oppose both, but there were plenty of people here who celebrated it.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:46 AM
Response to Reply #52
65. I don't think you've been
around the freeps recently if you think there's an equivalency.

In the past couple of days on digg, I have had to turn four people into the management and one person to the secret service for comments like this:

"Kill Obami before he takes over the world! all you libertards need to DIE! DIE!"

"The black people are taking over the country! they have FEMA camps to put us in!!! I warned you! Pray for Obama to meet a sudden death!"

"They're not taking my guns from my cold dead hands and I'll shoot anyone-- Barry, too -- who takes away my liberty and makes me live in socialism! He's a commie!"

"They're taking away our country and a good patriot fights to the death commie takeover! get your guns ready!"

They HATE liberals and they think they are entitled to run the country. Elections mean nothing to these people. Rush, et al have them believing they were robbed and that Obama isn't their president. They are seriously mentally challenged, emotionally impaired, and clearly unhinged. They think it's a revolution against a hostile takeover -- and we are all targets for voting the tyrant into office.

ETC.

No, I'm not exaggerating. Some of them are worse. And Digg is NOT free republic. They post DISGUSTINGLY racist things about Obama "Moving on up to to white house, bring me some pork, wheezy!" and don't think there's anything wrong with it. They are NOT right in the head.

Then, they have their tyranny watch: Obama is a tyrant and they're going to uprise. One of them had a blog where he literally planned out the hit including weapons and then went on to say they needed to get all of the liberals after the pres. this guy used to be on the RADIO but got fired recently for talking like that on the air. he's the one I called the SS on, because he listed weapons, plans, had a following, and he was coming after us next....

so, no -- it's nothing like what we do here. we make fun. No one has ever plotted to kill anyone here, talked about hunting down a certain race or political crowd and killing them, etc.

What's sad is that too many people think that -- they split it down the middle and figure everyone does it.

Nope. Sometimes there is a bad guy.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:35 AM
Response to Reply #65
75. I don't have problems with going after people who make real threats
However, my point is that the kinds of comments made by rush and his ilk fall short of being real threats.

For example, most people would think the following would be an actionable threat:

"They always holler at us to get an education. And now they want to send me to Iraq or Afghanistan. I am not going. If they ever make me carry a rifle the first man I want to get in my sights is the President."

But, they'd be wrong - http://supreme.justia.com/us/394/705/case.html

In short, the Supreme Court has held you have to go pretty far to have made a real threat.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #75
78. well, this is where we differ, I suppose
I agree with you that the law doesn't interpret that as an actionable threat.

That is part of my beef. For example, when I called the SS about the crazy man who used to be on the radio, they said he's been on their radar for a while, but he knows what he can and can't say. He makes the death threats and says "you know who". He is still inciting hate and violence, just getting around a loophole in the law.

common sense can help the average person discern the difference, but I understand we have to err on the side of "free speech" even though we effectively have not had free speech since 2001 (DoJ memos).

A reasonable person COULD make an argument about those in authority and the public eye having a responsibility with their speech. It's civilized to do so. the danger being ignored right now allows one right to overtake another right, IMO.

I'm no lawyer, so my opinion is a personal one, not a legal one and I get that there must be many factors involved that I'm unaware of. On the other hand, Europe has managed in many ways to call BS on hate speech, Holocaust deniers, etc. Maybe I'm one of "those people" who sees that as a form of evolution, where the average citizen's right to exist without being spewed on is as important as a hate group's right to spew.

esp when violence is being called for. Enough.

now, I see we don't agree, but I do respect your position.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:14 PM
Response to Reply #78
80. we probably agree more than you think
Again, drawing lines is hard. FOr example, if the government can demand information about and investigate every dick head that levels an anonymous attack against the President on a site like free republic, what does that mean for the future of the Internet as a vehicle for communication. Does it chill speech? Open the door to invasions of privacy? Where is the line? I don't know. I do think that sites that host an exchange of ideas have some responsibility to police themselves. I'm fairly certain that if/when someone crossed the line here at DU, Skinner or one of the moderators would step in to delete the comment and if need be tombstone the poster. The trick about relying on people to be responsible is that sometimes they aren't. And then you have the problem of how to do something about it that doesn't go too far.

Not easy stuff and if I seemed to suggest it was, I apologize. Not my intent.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #80
81. no, I didn't get that you were suggesting it was easy
and you're right-- we do agree. I recognize the danger in limiting free speech-- where would it end? I guess I'm just noticing that there's an abyss growing re hate speech which may need to be addressed, hopefully by smarter minds than mine.

I was thinking about how they say "you can't legislate morality'-- so is this supposed to fall to average citizens to say, NO! We don't want to be subjected to this crap? If so, how do we most effectively do that?
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:44 AM
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112. Lets throw 9/11 at them
And say that decision was Pre 9/11. The world has changed and we now take all threats seriously. President Obama has to keep us safe and he can't do that if these assholes continue to incite hate and get him killed. Instead of these word games they play they would think twice if a few of them got sent to jail.
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wbramh Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 04:38 AM
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47. Thank you
That was the point of my article.
The Far Right has kept the country afraid for 8 years.
Now, they would have us be fearful of them.
This time around, there are too many of us refuse to be paralyzed by their tactics.
And this time - we will fight back.

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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #47
66. Yeah - I see what you're tallking about
and I refuse to be terrorized by them again, but I think they are trying to do that. I live in a red state and I have moments where I can FEEL the hostility. The other day I was with several liberals (one of them a big, strong guy) surrounded by freeps, and we all got creeped out. We passed an Obama figure hanging by a noose on the way home and two "United States of Socialism" signs on old plantation type homes.

Scary shit.
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demokatgurrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:08 AM
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69. Good LORD, where do you live? n.t
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:17 AM
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70. I live in GA
but I was in South Carolina for work and driving home with my colleagues, we passed the Obama effigy and the signs. I've seen the signs before, but the effigy was new.

With all due respect for our fellow libs who live there (and charleston did go blue), SC is a bubbling cesspool of racism. It's so hideous I am often left breathless by the brisk slap of hate.

I am not from here, so maybe I brought my expectations of a certain decorum with me. I grew up in a very liberal town where we marched against allowing the KKK to march in the streets because it was hateful. To see this stuff allowed to exist and not be repudiated is shocking to me.

That said, the south is not easy to understand and not as simple as those who don't live here think it is. There are many progressive dems as well as kind-hearted people here. Just not the majority. And each region is DIFFERENT. Where I live, I doubt we'd see an effigy like that. As angry as I get sometimes, I don't want to become a southern basher. We have racism and hate all over the nation.

Sometimes, though, when I get really tired of it, I hope they follow through on their threats to secede -- even if it means I lose my home. I just want the hate to end.
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PatGund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 07:57 PM
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27. Take a look at the birther blogs......
Not a day goes by that I don't see at least one call for a military coup or armed rebellion.

And there's very much a lynch mob mentality with many of them. To hell with innocent before being proven guilty in a court of law, it's "get a rope and let's ride".
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:19 AM
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72. exactly..and they've gotten a few in the military to go along with
their insanity, which puts the people serving with them in a bad position. Hard to know if the crazy guy has your back, you know?
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 08:09 PM
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28. Clear Channel has the most hate radio stations in history
Not to mention the fascist main stream media
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 08:44 PM
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29. They have already created the most dangerous situation
ever. They have hate radio going all day. ALL DAY. Hannity, Limbuagh, Levine, Crowley, all stoking the crowd saying "he's gotta be stopped."

Then they're on tv all night. They make cartoons, they're hollering about socialism, etc. The scene is set.
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RollWithIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 08:53 PM
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30. To the OP, I have full faith that the Secret Service is fully aware of the threats
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 08:54 PM by RollWithIt
Keep in mind that Obama received a Secret Service detail a full year before the Iowa Primaries were even held. Earlier than anyone in history. Thousands of brave agents are on this case. They are aware of the threat created by right wing radio too.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 09:46 PM
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32. If ANYTHING happens to President Obama, there WILL be a REVOLUTION
Edited on Tue Mar-03-09 09:48 PM by TankLV
the likes no living person in this country has ever personally witnessed!

Let them fucking TRY!!!

It will be the END of the RIGHT WING REPUKE PARTY. Period.

One word: GUILLOTINE.

nuff said...
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 09:51 PM
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33. I really think Sarah Palin should have formally been warned and admonished both
by the Secret Service and the FBI with all of her hate mongering against Obama. She represented a serious threat to Obama's life during the campaign, and she probably still is a threat, because these wackos Palin stirred up are pretty unstable people who are likely still wound up with their hate. She is a very sick woman to put it nicely.
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PM Martin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:09 PM
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34. Sarah Palin is one of the worst people known
in today's world. I understand that she has to stand for re-election next year. A major effort must be started to oust this pile of horse S**T from office! :puke:
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wbramh Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 05:27 AM
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48. She was warned
In October of 2008, the Secret Service warned Palin to tone down the incendiary rhetoric.
They were not just worried about the "kill him" (Obama) shouts from the crowd. They were also concerned that the crowds (mobs) were beginning to get out of control.
Attacks and threats of attacks on Obama supporters were becoming increasingly commonplace and racial epithets were beginning to freely fly.
Despite the Secret Service's direct appeal, Palin never saw fit to cut back on her relentless smear and fear campaign.
And now - here we are!
Apparently, encouraging death threats against the President of the United States has become official Republican policy.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 03:10 PM
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:28 AM
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73. I couldn't agree MORE
to do what she did as a national political figure and not be rebuked was OUTRAGEOUS.

I will never forget. EVER. And I will work my entire life to make sure she and those like her stay as far away from power as is possible. Even thinking about it gets me so upset.

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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:13 PM
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35. Thanks for this. I am always amazed at the folks here who laugh these things off
When seeing reports from DU'ers that have been to Free Republic, PUMA and/or Birther sites and report back with the insanity going on there. And there are folks here who laugh like this is something lighthearted to be brushed off.

There is nothing funny about ANY of this to me. I'm not saying that any of us should be afraid, but the constant death threats and spiraling insanity coming from the right-wing is something I take very seriously. And if the right-wingers had any sense at all, they'd be taking this alot more seriously too because Heaven help ANY person who tries to hurt that man or his family.
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wbramh Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 05:32 AM
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49. Exactly... There's NOTHING funny about this!
These people are sick, and totally capable of anything.
Their total lack of intellectual reasoning capacity should serve as a chilling clue to the potential for real harm.
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DCBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:16 PM
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36. God help us all if anything happens to our President.
This country will come totally unhinged.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:06 AM
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61. oh yes, it will. This President is doing the peoples work and
Edited on Wed Mar-04-09 09:06 AM by bdamomma
the higher ups and those who are fatally delusional are not too happy with that.
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my2sense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:52 PM
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38. We're living in some scary times
I can only imagine what will happen in this country if something happened to our President. These right wing nuts are playing with fire.
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deek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:05 AM
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39. vs bush?
Interesting that bush was put into office despite the people's vote, then "reelected" by fraud; yet I've read few death threats such as this from Democrats/Liberals.

We've wanted him held accountable by legal means and jailed, but I haven't read anything in the past 8 long years about him being "stopped" or "taken care of".

Speaks volumes.
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wbramh Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 05:38 AM
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50. Nor have I
Bush has been called every name in the book - probably by me, alone.
But I have NEVER read even a single veiled threat against his being.
And yes - that really does speak volumes about some serious differences between normal people and the Far Right that now rules over the Republican Party.

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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:14 AM
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42. I think Biden should make it clear any member of the Democratic party in >
Edited on Wed Mar-04-09 12:32 AM by cooolandrew
in the incident of something tragic happening to the president raising to succession would make sure taxes wouldn't just raise a few percent for the rich but 50 percent so they soon best sit down and shut up. As ultimately they are the bad folks among the rich are the ones trying to be the puppet masters here but 2 can play their game. The nefarious entities among the rich can dance to our tune for a change one of humanity and decency.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 01:22 AM
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43. if this is true, then outings like Obama took to the NBA game the other day . . .
might not be such a good idea . . . he seems to want to be out and about far more than any president in recent memory -- admirable, but possibly not compatible with current reality . . .

God help this nation if anything happens to him . . .

I suggest that everyone keep him in his/her prayers, meditations, and/or good thoughts on a regular basis . . . he's going to need all the help he can get . . .
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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 06:14 PM
Response to Reply #43
98. I totally agree, BlueSky. He is taking UNNECESSARY
chances and I don't like it.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 04:25 AM
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45. Just remember: It's not about race, it's about class.
:rofl:
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wbramh Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 05:47 AM
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51. True. It is class warfare - not race warfare
The racial epithets are included as a way to further divide us, but mostly said out of pure meanness.
We're dealing with pure bastards here
They're totally devoid of any sense of right and wrong.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:03 AM
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60. I believe it's a class war.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 08:01 AM
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55. Someone posted that Lou Dobbs doesn't believe this
I used to like him but he has gone over the deep end.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 08:07 AM
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57. Having been in situations working with the Secret Service in 2004, they have his back
I would suggest any of these people who are making death threats to Obama just actually try to get at him. Their head would be a pile of spaghetti in seconds. The Secret Service are badass... serious badass that have all the angles covered with finely trained agents that could kill you with a marshmallow.

Please, all you m*therfuckers who want to frag Obama... they have a nice bullet ready to clean out your cranium.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:32 AM
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74. thanks for posting
they think liberals are all weaklings and worse -- reading your badass post about the SS (I know they're not necessarily liberals, but our Pres is) was encouraging!!!!

bring it, freeps.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 01:16 PM
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86. I gained a great respect for their responsibilities and professionalism
I'm about as far-Left on many issues as anyone (whatever that means) and did have the experience with working with the Secret Service while doing different things with the Kerry campaign. After they figured out I wasn't a wuss or whatever, they revealed themselves to be very cool people that want to be their best at what they do, especially when it comes to protecting people and doing all the steps necessary to make it happen.

I was surprised how impressed I was with them. Anyone who tries to get in their face and try to get at Obama is doomed to a quick demise with precision.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 03:02 PM
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88. rock on!
"Anyone who tries to get in their face and try to get at Obama is doomed to a quick demise with precision."

I love it! I'm left, too -- but due to things which have happened in my life, I accept that violence is necessary sometimes and when it comes to protecting our POTUS, I'm all for it (by the SS, of course).

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Fire1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 06:34 PM
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99. It's suspect that the SS never seems to see them coming.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:08 AM
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62. Did anyone hear last week they are looking for more Secret Service
applicants? Now that would be a interesting job.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:28 AM
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64. Glen Beck has been workign to bring this about.
His doomsday scenarios is intentionally stirring up paranoias along the right wing fringes of society.

He wants to create violence. His desperation and psychosis is gonna get people killed.

 
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cwcwmack Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 10:59 AM
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67. hmmmm
I'm about to call BS unless I see a source re: the number of threats...

these are a bunch of freeper nerds in their parent's basement. There's nothing more to it than that.
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:42 AM
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77. This paragraph is interesting
They know how popular Obama is and they know how high American opinion is running against the policies of the Far Right. These people are morally bankrupt and reckless (or ruthless) enough to deliberately promote murder - especially when they can easily create some sick son of a bitch Oswald wannabe to do the deed for them.

First, given that the right knows how popular Obama is and how much Americans dislike them now, why would they want to dig their grave further by inciting assassination. Of course, the right rarely uses logic, so maybe the answer is that they haven't thought out their plans to the end conclusion.

Secondly, they already have created some sick SOBs. I'm a Knoxvillian. Both of my county commissioners and some of my friends have already encountered one of those sick SOBs while participating in something as sacred as a church service. http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/feb/09/knoxville-chur... / And, then, of course, we have the most recent nutcase in Florida: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gvkP...

You'd think, by now, they'd have a clue.

Or, is it possible to arrest them on charges of incitement? The First Amendment protects speech, but it does not protect yelling fire in a crowded theater when there is no fire.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:27 PM
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82. no its not really possible to arrest them on charges of incitement
Incitement is constitutionally limited to very narrow circumstances. As are actionable threats. A couple of illustrative cases:

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=...
http://supreme.justia.com/us/394/705/case.html
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 12:47 PM
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84. There is other case law, of course - such as this
Edited on Wed Mar-04-09 12:51 PM by Kalyke
The difficulty is that the defendants never issued overt threats against the doctors. Nonetheless, the doctors had good reason to fear. Several of the defendants have elsewhere expressed support for ''justifiable homicide'' against abortion providers. Three doctors featured on similar ''wanted''-style posters have been murdered since 1993. Last October the Web site, called the Nuremberg Files, chillingly showed Dr. Barnett Slepian's name crossed out from its list shortly after his murder near Buffalo, N.Y. Federal authorities considered the plaintiffs in danger when their names appeared on a poster, and offered the doctors round-the-clock Federal marshal protection.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E04E2DD...

But, case law or not, when the problem reaches epic proportions - as may or may not be happening in the case of hate radio and its rightwing sycophants, then it might be a good idea to look at the ruling mentioned in the link above.

I'm a former reporter; therefore, speech has to be absolutely vile and threatening before I'd give up my, or any American's, rights to free speech.

However, I also too closely witnessed the end result of the inciting speech as it drove an out-of-work RusHanniSavaBoortz listener out of his mind. Normally, I would admit that this fruitcake was off the deep-end all by himself - and I'm sure he had other mental issues - but the reason behind his focused hate was placed squarely in his head by hate radio (see the link below).

http://web.knoxnews.com/pdf/021009church-manifesto.pdf

Sigh... I'm just not sure what we do about this issue. The Democrats, or rather free-market Dems, simply don't see the need to purchase radio to add some liberal thinking to the line up. That would go a long way toward balancing the scales, particularly for rural voters who listen to this tripe daily on their commutes to cities to work.


(And, I'm betting you're an attorney or a paralegal since your name is "onenote." The legal profession uses One Note more often than any other group of people I've seen. :) I used to be in technology training. ;) )
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 01:05 PM
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85. I am an attorney, although my "name" has nothing to do with the law
its a music reference
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 01:18 PM
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87. Ahhh...
One Note is a popular Microsoft application that attorneys use quite frequently.

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/onenote/default.aspx

But, a musical reference is nice, too.

BTW, did you read that fruitloop's manifesto in the link above?
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wbramh Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 06:50 PM
Response to Reply #77
100. A rational answer to the "why"
"Of course, the right rarely uses logic, so maybe the answer is that they haven't thought out their plans to the end conclusion."

The Wingnuts only think out their plans to the end of days.
So the answer to your question is why not?
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windoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 11:57 AM
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79. The "far right' have been given license and undeserved dignity for too long
for enabling and encouraging insane behavior. It is time sane Republicans take over their party, this country has real work to do than to listen to these idiots. Ugh!

To deny this reality is just as insane!!

They are an internal security threat to this country.
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 03:15 PM
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91. I read your post and been trying to come up with the name of a "sane" Republican.
At the moment I cannot think of any.
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wbramh Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 07:57 AM
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104. Ike.
Does dead count?
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 03:12 PM
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90. Americans have a terrible habit of ignoring history.
The GOP has embraced implied and actual violence as a political tactic for a long time. They will continue to instigate violence, unrest until they regain power for the sake of power (or at least an upper income tax cut for the wealthiest constituents). That they have become so blatant shows the level of frustration they now experience as their party continues to melt down. A Political Party that rejects the role of government is doomed to become an "Anarchy" or embrace the opposite a "Dictatorship", neither of which lasts in the long term. The generation of the 1920's and 1930's would recognize the Republicans of today.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 03:16 PM
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92. May every Secret Service agent be at the top of their game.
Good lord... this is the very last thing we need.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 03:29 PM
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93. Not even Bush!?
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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 04:14 PM
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95. step one, have the SS pay Rush a visit
followed by a lenghty visit to the governor's mansion in Alaska.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 04:35 PM
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96. It totally pays to ..
never be too careful!

We know the big "must be stopped" ilk have killed before.

Weasels don't know anyother way.
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 09:44 PM
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101. These people are dangerous, but I have faith in the Secret Service.
President Obama will be safe.

Any right-wing nutjob who tries to attack him will be a bleeding pile of meat and bullet holes before the nutjob's weapon is even fully drawn.
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kwenu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 01:04 AM
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102. I have no reason to believe the Secret Service isn't aware and isn't doing its job.
Edited on Thu Mar-05-09 01:05 AM by kwenu
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wbramh Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 07:55 AM
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103. Agree, Bur...
Like everybody else these days, the Secret Service works overtime to make sure our President is as safe as possible.
They could probably use another thousand agents but do a phenomenal job with what they have.
The fault is not with the Secret Service - it's with people like Palin and Keyes who fan the flames of hate and make the agency's job so much more difficult.
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freedom_to_think Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 08:10 AM
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105. death threats
So if anything (and God forbid it did) were to happen to President Obama and a person was swayed by listening to the incessant hate-filled rhetoric of such ultra-right wing douche bags as Rush, Hannity or Coultergiest, could these talking pin heads be charged as accessories? The venom that these douche wipes spray is so poisonous that it would easily sway the simpler of minds. These people ought to be ashamed of themselves for trying to rally against the President and their country at the same time. I hope they realize that there are going to be some nice spots in Hell for them when their judgement is passed.
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 08:17 AM
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106. kicked, too late to rec. . . . n/t
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-18-09 11:45 PM
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107. ****What Happened to this DU Member?****
EraOfResponsibility was a good member, a donating member, a member I miss.

WTF???
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 01:29 AM
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111. Hell_if_I_know
n/t
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HopeOverFear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 12:58 AM
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109. Since Obama's election, I've made it a point to donate to the SPLC
Now more than ever, they will need our help.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-19-09 07:09 AM
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113. Locking...
The OP is no longer among the membership. Please use a Crystal Ball, Seance, Oiuja Board or other conveyor to the netherworldd to discuss anything with this this former member. Not sure, nuclear hell might still be taking collect calls, but the cost is pretty steep... :hi:
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