Matt Taibbi suggest Holder was "doing bong hits" before race speech

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http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200902190023?show=1

Now I don't expect better of Barnicle, but isn't Taibbi supposed to be some kinda progressive? Because he sounds like a moron at best here, a purposefully ignorant, frat boy-wannabe Villager at worst.

[hobbit709]

1. Sounds like he bummed some Oxycontins from Rush.

either that or he's on some kind of make you stupid drug.

[MrModerate]

2. I thought Holder overstated things quite a bit . . .

But crazy? Drugged? That's Tabibi being a dork.

[Occam Bandage]

3. "Hurr I'ma gunna ignore everythin' he said before and after the words 'no different.'"

[RepublicanElephant]

4. holder hit a nerve. nt

[EffieBlack]

27. He sure did

It's really interesting that some people have taken Holder's comment that Americans are cowards when it comes to race and that Americans still separate according to race as an attack against white people.

Apparently, these folks are still having trouble wrapping their brains around the fact that America is not their exclusive domain.

Here's a clue, folks - black people are Americans, too. When a black person talks about "americans," more often than not, he/she is referring to Americans of all races, not just white people.

In other words, when we say "Americans," we're referring to all of us, not just you!

[glowing]

5. Its Taibbi making a stink.. and trying to make his relevance some how more

important for the talk shows, spin machine. sensationalism.

[Baikonour]

6. He may be a progressive...

But he's also a moron.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

[camera obscura]

9. No doubt. But I keep hearing people talk about what a hero he is, speaking truth to power.

[bluedawg12]

12. He used to guest on Bill Maher's show - he's a very angry guy.

I don't remember the details but he was motor mouth jerk and way too foul mouthed without even a cadence to his swearing just anger.

Good swearing is like puncutation, it's an art.

[Phx_Dem]

7. I hate it when people don't share.

That's unacceptable. I guess Taibbi agrees.

[Cha]

8. Taibbi isn't perfect..although,

his Rolling Stone articles have been during the primaries and general.

I myself thought Holder was really living on the edge by saying what he did, although, I loved it.

[zulchzulu]

10. Holder clearly didn't read the Obama Manual before chirping off

I agree with 80% of what Holder said about race and race relations, but he, if he was a chef at Commander's Palace in New Orleans, dumped a couple too many jars of Cayenne Pepper in the Etoufee.

He framed the argument by saying that nothing has changed in the last fifty years... is he kidding?

[Unsane]

11. Newsflash: Holder's speech was idiotic

We're all cowards now? fuck off

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14. Perfect example of "striking a nerve", right here

[ellacott]

19. Exactly

Much of the reaction that Holder is receiving is proving his point. He said in this particular area regarding discussing race that people were cowards. I agree with him.

Getting angry is a way to deflect attention to his point and simply concentrate on that one word.

[Unsane]

22. using that word was a rhetorical failure on his part

because it causes people to focus on that word instead of his point

[EffieBlack]

28. Which proves his point

If people weren't so afraid to engage in dialogue about this issue, they wouldn't be so obsessed with focusing on a particular word to the point that they can't address the issue.

People who are so worked up over his choice of words that they can't focus on his ooint are probably NEVER comfortable talking about this issue, no matter how anyone phrases it.

[Unsane]

29. No it doesn't.

If you call someone an asshole for refusing to take out the garbage, they're going to focus on being called an asshole--not their failure to take out the garbage.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

16. You're pretty much proving his point.

:thumbsup:

[Clio the Leo]

13. Why are all these white men so upset?

Does Holder's remark hit a little too close to home? Guilty conscious much? :)

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

21. As a white man myself...

I wouldn't quite quantify myself as "upset" over it. I understand the thrust of Holder's remarks - that we may be technically integrated, but we are not socially integrated. That much is plainly true, and to suggest otherwise is ignorant. Still, calling people cowards for not discussing race when there seems to be rather ample discussion about it every day is somewhat offputting.

I would like to note, however, that it's somewhat offensive of you to paint all white men with the same broad brush. It would be rather unseemly if the word "white" were replaced with "black", and as such, I would urge you to take care not to generalize in the future.

[crimsonblue]

15. I thought that Holder's speech was extremely unusual and out of character.

Taibbi was just making the same connection, and making a pop-culture joke about it. Plus, he isn't one to shy away from saying controversial things.

[BeyondGeography]

17. Thanks for the truth-telling, Holder, now STFU

For those who disagree, if Obama had used the same language last March 18, he wouldn't be President now.

[Teaser]

18. Taibbi is a gonzo journalist

and made his bones writing for the eXile, in Russia. He is an iconclast with progressive leanings and will say things just to piss you off.

Looks like it worked.

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23. LOL, you're defending him now? You sound like you're talking about Rush or Howard Stern.

Being a contrarian and saying things to try and piss people off doesn't make you a "journalist", it makes you a half-assed comedian.

[Teaser]

25. I ain't defending anyone, spanky.

You asked why Taibbi would do this, I told you.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

20. What's interesting here is that when Taibbi was making these kinds of comments

and worse when describing republicans, I don't remember seeing him invited on so called MSM shows. So cI guess this kind of shit is funny to the corporate media when it is being directed at certain people.

[ChiciB1]

24. Is Taibbi Still Writing For Rolling Stone?? I Personally Felt He Was Much

more left leaning like me! Gee, I'm feeling weird these days. I KNOW Obama has ONLY been there a VERY SHORT TIME, but still I'm feeling sort of "something is bothering me!"

Don't want more troops in Afghanistan, could be wrong in my perception... but I don't feel good about that either.

I wonder if it's possible to just "ignore" most of the Middle East and let them alone... they just fight all the time anyway! What do WE think we can do?? Other nations have tried so many things and still factions of various "ants" keep rolling out of mound after mound!

[JI7]

26. Taibbi is good for entertainment in his anti Republican articles

but he goes after Dems in the same style and usually with the whole "sell out" theme.

i don't take him too seriously but he is funny to read as long as it's against Republicans.