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Jackeens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 04:47 PM
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"If Kennedy were alive today and still believed in his principles, he would have to change parties."
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tabbycat31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 04:48 PM
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1. hahaha
the GOP just wants us to look bad. And who was it that Caroline Kennedy compared to her father? It was not John McCain.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 04:49 PM
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2. Utter nonsense.
Kennedy risked his life in WWII to defeat the fascists, not to become one.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 04:49 PM
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3. Simple ...
No ...

Wont go there .....
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 04:49 PM
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4. To be fair,
We say the same about Lincoln. Only, in our case I think it's true.
:evilgrin: :evilgrin:
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 04:54 PM
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8. They're probably pissed about all of the Obama-Lincoln references, and
that's why they've dug up Kennedy's carcass and are waving it like a dusty flag.

Truly pathetic!
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:01 PM
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12. I guess all that Roosevelt revisionism didn't quite do the trick, eh?
Edited on Sun Feb-15-09 05:01 PM by charlyvi
You know, the New Deal failed and all that crap.
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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:02 PM
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16. Yep. They can't play the race card, so they're trying out the "Rewriting History" card.
They apparently never learned the Big Lesson: It's the WINNERS who write the history books--not the losers!
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:11 PM
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18. Or the "Let's travel backwards in history" card.
Things were so much better then. Oh yeah.
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:56 PM
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27. There is a huge difference with this argument, however.
The Democratic Party of the 60s was actually far more liberal than the current Democratic Party. Remember, it was still very tied to the New Deal and Kennedy, whether he admitted it or not, was a New Deal Democrat. Nearly every Democrat back then, outside the libertarians in the west, were FDR Democrats.

The Republican Party under Lincoln is not even the same as the Republican Party today. But to be fair, neither of the major parties are similar to their 1860s counterparts. The issues back then were so far and away different from today, that you really don't get a clear idea of where he would fit.

Kennedy, though? He's still pretty close to the modern part of the modern Democratic Party.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 04:50 PM
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5. I think they meant Lincoln. nt
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 04:53 PM
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6. LSD causes hallucinations, right?
Tell them to stop using the stuff.
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 04:54 PM
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7. Principles like...
Edited on Sun Feb-15-09 05:01 PM by silverweb
...liberalism?

Freepers are beyond stupid, beyond ignorant, beyond illogical. It amazes me that they have enough functional brain cells to keep breathing.

Yes, here's one of Kennedy's most famous statements on principles that would surely mean he'd "have to change parties" ...

What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?" If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then ... we are not that kind of "Liberal." But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal." (September 14, 1960)


hahahahaha

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:36 PM
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24. My favorite of Kennedy's words
thanks for posting it. :hi:
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 08:19 PM
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37. My favorite, too.
I haven't run into any better standard of what it means to be a Democratic Liberal than what he elucidated in that paragraph.

:hi:

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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 08:40 PM
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41. I hope someone posted those words for the freepers to enjoy.`
:rofl:


I won't go there *ick*
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 08:55 PM
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42. Enough of them lurk here.
But Kennedy's actual words and real meaning would go completely over their empty noggins.

You're not alone... I won't go there either. :D

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Still Sensible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 04:55 PM
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9. That would be a steaming crock of shit!
And they deserve a nice big cup of shut the fuck up to go with it.

My these freepers are getting more desperate by the day!
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 04:59 PM
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10. Talk about projection:
This man is not the President. He is merely a glorified press secretary for the hard left lunatics who are now running the country.

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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:00 PM
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11. I'm sure they'd love that 71% top income tax rate.
:rofl:


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MADem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:29 PM
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21. HAHAHAHAHA!!!! You know, I totally forgot about that until you mentioned it!
But it really is the icing on the cake!

Touche~!
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:01 PM
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13. No, but even Nelson Fucking Rockefeller would have changed parties
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:02 PM
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15. Hell, I think even Raygun would've. n/t
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ebdarcy Donating Member (654 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:02 PM
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14. Damn, they're stupid. Did you see the name of the guy who posted that little nugget
of wisdom? It's originalbuckeye. I love my state, but, man, our republicans are hella dumb.
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:09 PM
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17. I don't think that problem is confined to Ohio. LOL!
Edited on Sun Feb-15-09 05:25 PM by charlyvi
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:11 PM
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19. Just shows how far we've come - and how far behind the GOP is.
What hasn't changed - They were wrong 50 yrs ago, and they're wrong today.
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:28 PM
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20. And ther is this little gem:
"If Kennedy were alive today and still believed in his principles, he would have to change parties.

He'd still be too Conservative for the Republicans of today."
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What a dream (nightmare) world they live in. So strange.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:31 PM
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22. Fresno
N/T
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:33 PM
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23. If Sylvia Plath were alive today,
You know the rest...
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:47 PM
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25. If Lincoln were alive, he'd be denouncing the "Republican" party ...
which besmirches his legacy so horribly ...
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Rincewind Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 06:41 PM
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35. If Lincoln were alive today......
He'd be 200 years old!
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:49 PM
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26. "I'll just start pulling absurd statements out of my ass and blurt them out."
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FLyellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 05:59 PM
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28. If Jesus were alive today,
he'd slap the shit outta the Republicans. :rofl:
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Kingofalldems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 06:07 PM
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29. Attention freepers!! We want your guns!!
Give them to me right now.
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ejpoeta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 06:07 PM
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30. well, the republican party has changed quite a bit.
even lincoln would not be considered republican if measured by today's standards. what amazes me the most about the republican party is that they talk about government being too big and individual states rights, and yet they want to ban gay marriage and tell people whether they can have the choice of whether to have kids or not and they want to decide whether i live on a feeding tube or not. they are such a contradiction!!
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silverweb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 08:23 PM
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39. That's for sure.
I've tried to confront them on occasion with those contractions, but they're completely incoherent. I've given up trying to make any sense out of them.

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TTUBatfan2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 08:32 PM
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40. They support big government alright...
It's just a different brand of big government than the Democratic version. They've got no problem with the government spying on citizens in our libraries in the name of "national security" and they've got no problem with the government telling people what they can and can't do in their own lives when it comes to marriage or abortion, but they've got a huge problem with supposed big government spending on social programs. They don't mind big government spending on corporate tax cuts, however. They're hypocrites, plain and simple. The Libertarians are far more true to their own beliefs than the so-called "small government" Republicans. Libertarians want the government to leave everyone alone and not waste our tax dollars. That's basically how I approach things, which is why I'm against the stimulus but also against the ridiculous bans on abortion or gay marriage that Republicans are peddling.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 06:10 PM
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31. Yup. He'd be a Green.
NGU.

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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 06:25 PM
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32. I thought they hated the Kennedys--now they're trying to claim Jack?
Sorry, freepers, but if you get to squawk about how Lincoln is a member of YOUR party, we get to claim FDR, Kennedy, and Johnson.
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MiniMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 06:25 PM
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33. I would guess that he would be very close to Teddy's politics
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FKA MNChimpH8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 06:26 PM
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34. A Freeper trying to make a coherent point is like
a duck trying to fuck a football.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 07:49 PM
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36. And if Reagan were alive today, he'd disown the the ignorant trash....
..... that has become the GOP.
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-09 08:22 PM
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38. RIDICULOUS
only in "freaker" could come up with something so morAnic. :silly:
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