Rove fucked himself on this one

[Must_B_Free]

it was clever and devious - he thought CBS would back down.

The intention was never to have the memos proven to be forgeries - that is why they are ambiguous.

The intention was to create fear, uncertainty and doubt.

Unfortunately for Rove, he didn't count on Rather having the stones to go forward with this.

It's pretty clear what probably happened. They couldn't just make Bush's record disappear, so they gave it a bit of a makeover and rigged it so it could be used as tar against anyone who tried to use it against the boy king.

Knox pretty much said it directly - "it looks like someone recreated the memos and maybe alter them to hide what they had done." So they can be technical forgeries, but real, contentwise.

Now it becomes not only the damage of having the record set straight and stay in the conversation, but it also becomes the crime of the coverup.

Bye Bye Neocons!

[bigtree]

1. "Rove fucked himself on this one"

This is the headline that sums it all up!

[Catfight]

2. This is why honest elections by popular vote are imperative for

democracy to work that is by the people. This will be a great study for our future children to never allow the courts to appoint a person as President that didn't win the popular vote and threw out black votes. Hopefully Kerry will encourage a bill to make sure history books tell the truth about the 2000 election and how it was a black mark on American history. November 3rd will be a new day, a new beginning and America will be on it's way to healing.

Bush can move to Iraqi and be a dictator there.

[slor]

3. My theory is that it was the guy...

who was called "disgruntled" who said he saw the record purge just a few years ago, he said he saw them in the dumpster. I cannot remember his name. But he said he saw the info, he would be the most likely person to able to try and recreate them. This was not herr rove, I believe it was him trying to get the story out one last time.
Honestly. I think rove gets way too much credit, remember folks, that fat-fucker got fired from * Sr. for a leak. He really is not that good.

[Cha]

6. It's Bill Burkett...

http://www.calpundit.com/archives/003249.html

[slor]

11. That is the man...TY!

[KittyWampus]

8. Why Would That Person Mistake TANG Terminology For Army?

Knox said some of the info mistakenly used ARMY terminology.

The "disgruntled" guy was TANG too... NOT ARMY.

[slor]

13. They said the person placed...

deniability in it. That could be the reason.

[riverwalker]

4. bingo

"It's pretty clear what probably happened. They couldn't just make Bush's record disappear, so they gave it a bit of a makeover and rigged it so it could be used as tar against anyone who tried to use it against the boy king.
Knox pretty much said it directly - "it looks like someone recreated the memos and maybe alter them to hide what they had done." So they can be technical forgeries, but real, contentwise."

So let them have their "congressional investigation" call in the FBI. It will be interesting to hear how the BFEE descended upon the files with their shredders. There will be witnesses aplenty. What struck me about Kelley's and Dean's books, is that these people may have power, but man oh man have they made some ENEMIES.

[trotsky]

9. One person can straighten it all out.

Get the boy king to testify UNDER OATH.

[tridim]

5. What does the law say about forging military documents?

I have to assume it's a federal offense.

This is really starting to get good. We might get a two-fer.

[Junkdrawer]

7. Must_B_Free, You and I were some of the FEW who saw Rove...

from Day One. And you took the most shit.

Well, I'm just sure your too fine a person than to relish in

I Told You So

[Freedom in NC]

10. Huh?

I have to admit, I have no idea how you get to "Rove did it" from "those memos were retyped."

This campaign has to be about credibility if we're going to unseat Bush. All this kind of "reasoning" is going to look like on Main Street is a desperate attempt to salvage a sunk story.

Come on guys; calm down. Hysteria is for the other side. We don't need these memos to beat Bush.

[Catherine Vincent]

14. You must don't know much about Rove, newbie.

[Freedom in NC]

18. Well . . .

. . . pardon me for not going off on mass conjecture. I'm a lawyer. I like evidence to back my accusations.

CBS looks bad for "stonewalling," and frankly, they're losing credibility. No one cares about the story; all they see is that the memos are fake.

Wild theories about Rove aren't going to help reestablish that credibility.

This story won't go away until CBS at least says it could have screwed up. Until then, nothing else gets heard.

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[Freedom in NC]

28. Zzzzzz.

Whatever you say.

[SpiralHawk]

34. Au contraire, CBS looks courageous and credible

Dan Rather conducted his interview with Ms. Knox with the utmost openness and respect.

And she responded with simple honesty and integrity.

All the Freeper BS in the world cannot put a dent in that.

[Freedom in NC]

36. Well, sure . . .

. . . until they track down some of these flyboys she referenced who "resented" him and they say she's a very nice lady, but doesn't have a clue what she's talking about. You think none of them are Righties?

I don't think this is going to change much. The interview as much as admitted the documents are forged.

[GingerSnaps]

38. Why don't someone ask the person in question?

Do you think that the would be willing to answer under oath?

[Must_B_Free]

16. Hertz Donut?

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[Catherine Vincent]

12. Yep. Rove did it.

[olddem43]

15. I'm afraid we are going to run out of time before this is all out.

Only 47 days left. Rove can stall anything that long with all the smoke he can generate. That's what happened in Watergate. They stalled until after the election and it took over two and a half more years to get rid of the bastard.

[EndElectoral]

17. The Secretary said there were documents JUST LIKE THAT.....

[Lex]

19. Yep, what did that mean exactly?

She said she didn't type THOSE memos (the ones Rather was holding) but that she typed some SIMILAR to that--were those the ones scrubbed by Rove?

[Iceburg]

25. she implied that the "original" memos were more excoriating

... that they had been cleaned up so they would not look so bad.

I don't recall her exact words but you can review the video for yourself at http://bushlies2.us

[David Zephyr]

20. I Agree. Rather Upped the Ante Against Rove with Mrs. Knox.

The sack of shit just exploded all over the place. :bounce:

[qanda]

21. I don't want to start another thread on this

So someone please answer my question here.

Is it possible that the original memos were scanned into a computer using word recognition software? I remember working for the government back in the 80's and this software was the new thing. We were able to take documents that had been typed and scan them into the computer, which enabled us to save them or edit them. I've never heard this as a theory and just thought I'd throw it out there.

On Edit: I will post this in a couple of threads to see if I can get a response.

[Freedom in NC]

27. Scanning

Yes, it's possible to do that.

[qanda]

30. My point is that maybe these memos are on a disk somewhere

Perhaps Killian wanted to preserve his stuff. I don't know, I'm just wondering.

[Freedom in NC]

32. Killian died in 1984 . . .

. . . so it's not likely that he would have been able to save his documents in something like a .pdf, and given his apparent phobia (or whatever) of typewriters, I doubt he'd have have been too interested in computers?

But an electronic record of the memos won't mean much more than these photocopies. They'd be inherently unreliable.

The ORIGINALS are what are needed.

[Must_B_Free]

31. Omnipage pro does it

and it selects fonts, sizes etc. but it doesn't handle signatures, obviously. That it would import as a graphic. You'd be able to tell that the output had been processed in this way.

[Freedom in NC]

33. Yes.

And OmniPage SUCKS. Think Adobe. :)

[partygirl]

23. do you think maybe it

was directed at Dan Rather to get rid of him (not really at Kerry)? (If it is a fraud?)

I thought that we were all in agreement that the memos were completely real and that people were getting called names and even tombstoned for questioning their authenticity. I was with the program--documents are REAL no questions.

So now, I wake up this morning and they are NOT real? What is going on here? Who do I believe now? The memos are totally confusing for me.

But, no matter what, we need to stick with this, because real or fake (memos) Bush used privilege and he did not do his duty. We need to make sure that EVERY American knows the truth before they vote. This is going to be a big issue that will sink his campaign I just know it!

[KittyWampus]

37. Knox Said Documents Use Army Terminology... Though She Didn't Specify What

Authentic TANG papers wouldn't have Army terminology.

[spotbird]

24. Sorry, but he pulled it off.

John Q. Public now believes the AWOL issue is in doubt due to forged documents.

[Doosh]

26. not really

this story has been in the headlines long enough to hurt bush. I mean the swift boat liars were heavily discredited as well, but they were trotted out on cable news for weeks on end. Doesn't matter if they were telling the truth or who was funding them, the questions they raised took a toll on kerry. This will take a toll on Bush because the story is not over, and it's not going away.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

35. You know what I LOVE????

WE are NOW TALKING ABOUT WHAT'S **IN** THE DAMN MEMOS!!!!!

Yee-fucking-HA!