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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:02 AM
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Can anyone tell me? Does President Obama return the salutes his military guards offer him?
I only ask because this is something that started under Reagan, and I've never liked it. Saluting is a privilege, and should be reserved for uniformed service members only. President Obama is the C-in-C, of course, but he's a civilian, and I don't think civilians should salute. The proper civilian response to a salute is a nod to the person offering it and a polite "thank you."

In case you don't see saluting as a privilege, rather than a requirement, you ought to know that military prisoners in a stockade are forbidden to salute officers while serving their sentences. That privilege is rescinded for the duration of their sentence.
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:04 AM
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1. Yes he does.
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CATagious Donating Member (277 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:06 AM
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2. yes he salutes... as well he should...
I believe being the C-in-C allows him the privilege of returning the salutes.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:06 AM
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3. Yes, when I saw pictures yesterday of him boarding Marine Corps 1, he not only returned the salute
Edited on Fri Feb-06-09 11:06 AM by ShortnFiery
but also reached out to shake the hand to this Marine. The Marine, at first, looked stunned but readily lowered his salute and shook his hand. I bet his children will hear this story many times. And proudly so. Semper Fi!


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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:08 AM
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10. thanx for letting me know that Obama salutes
Betya he snaps off a crisp salute
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:13 AM
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16. Yes, as many Drill Sergeants would quip, Obama's sharp salute is ...
OUTSTANDING! :patriot: :hi:
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:09 PM
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52. An Army officer friend of mine said it was obvious that someone had taught Obama how to salute and
that he'd practiced it until he got it regulation perfect.

I asked him if he had a problem with him doing that. He said, "Not at all. I appreciate the fact that he cares enough about the military to make sure he gets it right."
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TEXASYANKEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:10 AM
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13. I saw this to.
And the thing is, Obama looks so incredibly natural at it. People really are people to him, not just objects. What a moment for that Marine.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:14 AM
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17. I am sure he will get crap for shaking hands with the Marine.
Personally I think it is nice to have a President who respects those who represent and protect him.
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hamsterjill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 12:02 PM
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31. Yes, it is!
And it's nice to have a president who doesn't act like an elitist to ordinary people.
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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:06 PM
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51. I bet his mother heard about it as soon as he went back into the WH!
"Mom - you're not going to believe what just happened. . ."
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:06 AM
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4. I doubt it because he was not in the military
but as C.I.C. he is allowed to do so ..... but I always thought that
Reagan and W doing "it" was stupid.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:12 AM
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14. I think it's a sign of respect. As a veteran, I can attest that Obama has a class A salute.
For almost a year after I resigned my commission, I would still instinctively return the salute of the military gate guards upon entering a facility. Then I'd think, "stop that" and waved instead, i.e., like a clueless dependent wife. Still today, the Gate Guards always salute "my sticker" whenever I enter a military facility. Yes, the Military Members "salute the higher officer position" but not necessarily "the person."
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mentalsolstice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 01:12 PM
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38. I worked for the Navy as a civilian
Thus I had the green base sticker, which should generally garner a wave through. However, my sticker was dark and more blue in appearance, so I got the snappy salute at the gate. I remember thinking WTF for the first several weeks, then I caught on and started doing the cute officer's wife wave.
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HardWorkingDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:06 AM
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5. I have seen him do it and frankly, when he does....
you can see he has more sincerity, class and respect in his salutes than his predecessor ever did.

On top of that, because Americans are so ignorant when it comes to customs and actions toward all things, even if your view was correct, the public would crucify him if he didn't.

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EffieBlack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:12 PM
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53. Yes - Bush was very flip about his salute. President Obama obviously takes it very seriously
I first noticed it during the Inaugural parade. He looked so dignified and natural doing it and I just wanted to cry with joy and pride!
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Kalyke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:06 AM
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6. Yes - and then he shakes their hands.
I was impressed by a clip yesterday that showed him doing that.

I asked my former Army husband if that protocol was OK and he said that it was because Obama is the Commander in Chief and he can do whatever the hell he wants to. :)
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:08 AM
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8. Me too, I'll bet the Chimp never did that.
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alsame Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:09 AM
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11. I really like
what your husband said!! :fistbump:
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:17 AM
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19. The sweetest thing

The expression on that young Marine's face :)

Video here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yRC8ud9laI


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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:25 AM
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21. LOL! Priceless!
I can't believe he shook my hand for doing my job!

:D
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WePurrsevere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:43 AM
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28. Thank you... that was a joy to watch...
I just wish they had a bit more of a close up of it. :)

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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 01:56 PM
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41. That was AWESOME- thank you! From the way he dropped his salute it looked...
Edited on Fri Feb-06-09 01:58 PM by Poll_Blind
...like he was deep in thought. That was great!

PB
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:37 AM
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24. The handshake is a nice touch. I've seen other prezes do that too. nt
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:08 AM
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7. I read a story,
yesterday? Guess so; to Williamsburg. He offered to and shook the guards hand! Guard then continued to salute.
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Frustratedlady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:08 AM
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9. He saluted before he ran up the steps to AF1
Obama isn't a prisoner in a stockade...or, is he? Poor guy is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. No suit jacket, no tie, no saluting? Let him govern.
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 12:17 PM
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33. You mis-understand. I do not think less of President Obama for saluting. (How could I?)
I just remember cringing every time the smirking chimp saluted a member of our armed forces. Even though he served, at least in a technical sense, in the armed forces. It just looked like more of his idiotic John Wayne tough guy bullshit.

As long as his salute is crisp and snappy, and he's not holding a fucking DOG while trying to salute, I'm fine with it.
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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:09 AM
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12. As I recall, Medal Of Honor winners get a Salute
Even from the C-in-C.

But that's slightly off topic.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:37 AM
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25. I did not know that. Cool!
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:13 AM
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15. Yes he does.
And I disagree with you - Obama is the top military commander as Commander in Chief - it is respect to the saluting officer that he return the salute. By regulations, it is mandatory that all uniformed members of the military salute the CnC.
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marlakay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:15 AM
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18. My military kids that supported him watched him closely
to see if he did it right. They feel nothing but happiness that he is their new leader and boss.

They have no problem with him saluting and if they don't I don't.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:18 AM
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20. Meaningless to me
Salute or do not salute. Either way doesn't matter.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:33 AM
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22. Yes he does. FDR did when reviewing troops. Sorry, it just looks stupid to me...
perhaps because I'm from a navy family. And the navy doesn't salute without wearing the proper hat.


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dbmk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 12:16 PM
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32. Excuse me, but that doesn't strike me as any less "stupid". :)
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:35 AM
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23. Opinion of a vet (EM)
Frankly, I think the Commander-in-Chief and other civilians in the chain of command should return the salute.

Of course, I am quite aware that prisoners are denied the "privilege" of saluting. It's just that most of us didn't see saluting as a privilege. I don't know if it's still there, but in the 70s at Camp Red Cloud, a small outpost between Seoul and the DMZ in Korea, a sign read "On this post, saluting is an honor, not a chore." That sign speaks volumes about what the attitude toward saluting really is.

As in any hierarchical organization, not every one at the top is worthy of respect. Some are just plain dumb, and others would screw over their grandmothers to get in line for a fast promotion. At Fort Huachuca, Arizona, I knew a hardcore and utterly incompetent staff sergeant who was all the worse for being in line to make warrant officer. After he made it, I had the experience of a chance encounter with this jack ass while we were both in uniform and saluted. Saluting such a worthless human being really galled me. He returned the salute and we both went about our business.

We may remind ourselves that one should salute the uniform, not the idiot wearing it. Sometimes it's pretty difficult to separate the two. At moment like the chance encounter with the dipshit who just happened to be a warrant officer, we are reminded of the hypocrisy that is at the core of formal code of behavior like military courtesy.

If an enlisted man must salute out of respect, at least the recipient should acknowledge it for what it is and return the sign of respect.
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Still Sensible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 12:23 PM
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34. Absolutely, the CIC is by definition in the
Chain of Command, albeit at the top. It is a measure of respect, in my opinion, for the President to return the salute.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:39 AM
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26. He's the Commander in Chief....might want to remember that. n/t
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:48 PM
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59. The founders, in their wisdom, put the military under civilian control
the Commander in Chief is not a member of military but a civilian and civilians do not salute. Reagan may have started this, but he was delusional and appeared, at times, to think a war movie he had been in had been reality. He probably thought he was a soldier.

On one hand, I wish Obama wouldn't salute, I'd rather both the public and the military remember the C-in-C is a civilian position. On the other hand, there are bigger issues, so it's hardly worth getting worked up over.

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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:40 AM
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27. Veterans and active military not in uniform now have the right to render a military salute.
The Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008 modified Title 4 of the U.S. Code to allow veterans and military service members not in uniform to render the military salute during hoisting, lowering, or passing of the flag. The National Defense Authorization Act of Fiscal Year 2009, signed into law on October 14, 2008, included a provision to allow veterans and military members out of uniform to salute the flag during playing of the National Anthem.

http://www.buglesacrossamerica.org/modules.php?op=modlo...
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:45 AM
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29. Bush would have rubbed the Marine's head, I bet
sure is nice to have a CinC who shakes men's hands rather than rub their heads, isn't it?
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 05:37 PM
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45. Yeah, Chimpy probably put them in a headlock and gave a knuckle rub.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 11:50 AM
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30. Yes,and much better than bush ever did.n/t
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ItNerd4life Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 12:40 PM
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35. It's great to hear that we have a president who respects the miltary
instead of thinking of them as cannon fodder.
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asphalt.jungle Donating Member (792 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 12:56 PM
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36. on NatGeo's On Board Marine One
the marine who has to stand there saluting for as long as it takes for the president to board said it was especially an honor to have the president salute you back. if they love it then i don't think anyone else should complain.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 01:45 PM
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39. you said it
and welcome to DU :hi:

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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 12:56 PM
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37. In the Marine Corps you are not supposed to salute unless covered.

I agree with you. The President should not salute. But as you say, Reagan set the precedent and now everyone has to follow suit or get labeled anti-American.

Until some ex-general gets elected and stops doing it citing proper protocol.


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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 03:07 PM
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42. oops I was wrong..delete
Edited on Fri Feb-06-09 03:11 PM by stillcool
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Thothmes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 03:32 PM
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44. That is a Navy usage also. In the Army and Airforce
you may salute without being covered.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 05:38 PM
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46. What does that mean? Covered?
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 06:38 PM
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50. Wearing headgear.
Almost always outdoors. A servicemember only wears headgear indoors if he is under arms. That is: bearing a weapon, as in guard duty.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:43 PM
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60. Thank you. I learned something new today!
:patriot:
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 09:45 PM
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61. My pleasure.
B-)
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 01:50 PM
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40. I don't think any president should salute back unless they've been in the armed services.
I have a feeling a LOT of people are going to misinterpret this as some sort of slam on Obama but it's just my feeling. I've never been in the armed services, FYI. Anyway, that's my feeling on the matter. I don't feel strongly about it.

PB
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 03:10 PM
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43. When he is saluted, it is as COMMANDER-in-CHIEF. Get off this idiocy.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 05:40 PM
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47. Yes, and can you imagine the hysteria if he DIDN'T return the salute?
I don't know about military policy, but it would seem rude for the Commander in Chief of the military not to return a salute (from a civilian perspective, anyway).
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DRoseDARs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 06:26 PM
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48. Yeah, how dare a civilian salute...


Give me a break. And here I thought the "Jessica Simpson is fat" nonsense was the stupidest shit I heard this week... :eyes:
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:00 PM
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56. thank you - that was exactly what came to mind. nt
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 06:28 PM
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49. He was saluting during the parade.
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RBInMaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:12 PM
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54. Yes. I saw footage of him saluting last night on the news.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 07:53 PM
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55. I just asked my aunt. Y'all are going to love this.
She said Obama is the Commander In Chief. He is the top of our military because of that position. She said he is supposed to salute back.

Here's the really good part she added (minus most of her expletives);

She said anyone complaining about him working without his jacket in the office needs to leave him alone too. She then added, "They let that sawed off son of a bitch Bush in there for 8 damn years. The least they can do is leave Obama to do his job and quit bashing him so much."

Well, I left quite a few of the cuss words regarding Bush out of that, but the most important ones are still there. :)

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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:24 PM
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57. I saw him do it yesterday...
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HOLOS Donating Member (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-06-09 08:30 PM
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58. Happy to see Pres.C.-in-C. O salute and be saluted
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