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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 03:12 PM
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Americans overwhelmingly Support Israel, not Palestine
Israel 60%
Palestinians 17%
Just now on CNN...CNN/ORC Poll Jan12-15.

This is interesting information for the new Administration.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 03:13 PM
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1. Polls "say" what the pollsters want them to "say"....and
Edited on Sat Jan-24-09 03:15 PM by SoCalDem
CNN made some money for running those sickening ads recently..so one might say they were obviously supporting "one side" already..
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 03:23 PM
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2. americans also supported the iraq war when we started. popularity doesnt make something right
americans are against gay marriage too and were against other civil rights movements when these movements were nascent

i am not saying israel or palestine shouldnt exist or are completely right or completely wrong. just that popular does not make right
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democracy1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 03:27 PM
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4. Still waiting for MSM to talk about innocent women and children being killed
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 05:32 PM
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27. Bingo.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 02:10 AM
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83. True.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 03:29 PM
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5. That's probably because we never hear about the Palestinians unless
they're conflated with terrorists.

And any attempt to talk about the situation in a realistic way is met with accusations of anti-Semitism. So naturally, the average American knows nothing, and will probably admit to not knowing much, yet they vote in polls.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 05:39 PM
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28. Four decades of Palestinian terrorism might have something to do with that
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 06:17 PM
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29. See, the Palestinians aren't terrorists.
Perhaps the terrorists are Palestinians, but the Palestinians aren't terrorists. Killing innocent people is always wrong, no matter which side does it.

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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 02:29 PM
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38. Over 300 of the terrorists Israel murdered over the last month were children under 10.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 08:20 AM
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70. Four decades of Israeli terrorism hasn't done squat, apparently. (nt)
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 05:05 PM
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74. Four decades of apartheid and being robbed of your homeland and/or living
may have something to do with that
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TeamJordan23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 03:40 PM
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6. Well media coverage is primarly pro-Israel. The BBC provides fair coverage in in Europe.
And I bet the support polling numbers is a lot different.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 03:42 PM
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7. I don't know what I'd do without the BBC News
I'm so glad I can get it here. It's actual news; not the crap that passes for news on most American networks.
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 01:20 AM
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81. They are.
I had no idea of the plight of the Palestinians until I moved to Europe in 1985. The Europeans see the situation more realistically and recognize who the aggressors are. When you try to talk about it here, you are called an anti-semite. That, of course, ends all constructive discussion.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 03:42 PM
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8. All spin...
If you don't educate yourself on the issue you're told that Isreal is being attacked by a bunch of terrorists from Palestine.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 03:50 PM
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9. How about a link that shows the methodology of the poll and the size of the sample?
What questions were asked? What's the demographic breakdown of the responses? Who is "ORC"? And if this was an online poll, then it has no validity whatsoever.

I wouldn't exactly call this "interesting information", it's barely any information at all.

sw
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Turbineguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 03:57 PM
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10. So it will probably be up to Hamas
to change those numbers.

from 60/17 to to 70/7.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 03:59 PM
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11. WOW....the media has really done it's job
90% of Americans probably haven't seen the suffering of the Palestinian people because of the corporate media filter.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 03:19 PM
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41. Indeed
Are we supposed to change our opinion based on the MSM-brainwashed sheep?

The coverage is so one-sided it's not even funny. Then they put up a poll to validate their brainwashing, "see we're not pushing an agenda it's what people believe)

What a load of crap.

Regards
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 04:02 PM
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12. America needs to see the WHOLE picture and not selective propaganda.
I honestly believe the Palestinians would have more support if Americans had a clue about their circumstance. The killing of innocent civilians in this aggressive incursion is flat-out wrong.

I am hopeful Obama will reach an accord with the players to stop the violence.
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bread_and_roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 06:38 PM
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31. Yes - although I have little hope of Obama in this particular arena....
I would, however, be overjoyed to be proven wrong.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 06:19 PM
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75. Hey, a little bit of hope is something
something more than I've felt in, well never, regarding the ME nightmare.

I too would be delighted if he is successful. Cheers.
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Onlooker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 04:15 PM
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13. That's because Israel's far bette than Palestine
Arafat was so corrupt that he went around with a briefcase of money handing it out to bribe people. Hamas is so right wing that women and gays have few rights. In that environment, Israel is more civilized. The hatred, though, between Israel and the Palestinians feeds extremists on both sides. When Obama resumes engagement in the process, I think we'll see things start to normalize and peacemakers on both sides will be able to exert greater influence. Right now, though, there's a regional paranoia and the Israeli's also have a feeling claustrophobia. These factors are bringing out the worst in both sides.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 04:21 PM
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14. CNN poll?
How many of those votes were from Leslie Blitzer himself? :rofl:
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 04:26 PM
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15. Poll proves that the pro-Israeli Media bias is still working
The American press only tells Americans what Israel wants us to hear. Thank goodness for the Internet and foreign press, which aren't enslaved to the Israelis.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 04:28 PM
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16. so Israel controls the American media?
:rofl:

cute tinfoil, dear.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 01:58 PM
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34. They threaten anyone who dares to criticize Israel for slaughtering Palestinians as
anti-Semitic, and yes AIPAC had a program to go after critics of Israel. Ask Juan Cole of Informed Comment. He was one of their intended victims. Fortunately for America, they did not succeed, but it did take a toll on Cole.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 02:10 PM
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35. Are you saying US MSM does NOT have a pro-Israel bias?
Really?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 05:33 AM
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58. no. I didn't say that at all.
YOU insinuated I said it. Of course the MSM has a pro-Israel bias. What I don't believe is that Israel controls the U.S media.

Do YOU?
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 07:12 AM
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65. Having a pro-Israel bias and 'being enslaved to the Israelis' are two different things
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 04:28 PM
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17. the typical poll discrediting...
CNN poll?

SPIN!

Let me see the sample size and methodology!

blame the media!!
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 04:47 PM
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18. So, asking for an actual link to actual information about the poll is somehow unreasonable?
Hey I can post a poll result with no link, too!

"Americans overwhelming support beer, not wine"

Beer 60%
Wine 17%
Just now on CNN...CNN/ORC Poll Jan12-15.

Obviously, no one has any business questioning this information. I'm telling you what I personally heard on CNN, therefore it must be true.

sw
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 04:49 PM
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19. no, did I say asking for a link was unreasonable? No I didn't
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 05:05 PM
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20. "Let me see the sample size and the methodology!" was part of your litany of
"typical poll discrediting" -- the words "sample size" and "methodology" are straight out of the subject line of my post #9. Of course, you conveniently left out the part where I asked for a link up front.

So which is it? Do you think that a poll result presented with no link like the one in the OP is beyond critical examination and questioning, or not?

sw
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 05:10 PM
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21. yes it was
because when people see polls they don't like, they question the "sample size" and "methodology" - words straight out of dozens of similar threads.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 05:17 PM
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23. When people see polls they don't like, that ALSO have no link, they are perfectly right to question.
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wyldwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 05:18 PM
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24. of course they're right to question.
:shrug:

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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 05:22 PM
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26. LINK HERE:
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SuperTrouper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 05:22 PM
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25. LINK HERE:
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 07:29 PM
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50. I believe the poll. I believed the poll where most of America thought the Iraq War was ok, too.
Edited on Mon Jan-26-09 07:29 PM by Forkboy
Because nothing says "correct" like "majority".
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 01:39 AM
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55. so we're just supposed to believe any old poll without looking at the methods?
Well, I polled 10 people. And 9 out of 10 of them say you're a douchebag. It must be true.
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LittleBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 05:16 PM
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22. Great. How many still believe Saddam was associated with 9/11?
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phleshdef Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 06:31 PM
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30. I don't fully support either of them. Both sides have done their share to make the problem worse.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 06:58 PM
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32. a. polls lie.
b. no surprise given the ownership of our media and political opinions by Israel.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 02:27 PM
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37. The "Jews own the media" garbage
Can't you guys come up with new material?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 02:35 PM
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39. not the jews. the corporations.
who benefit from chaos, trouble and war.

can't you stop resorting to the same kneejerk defensiveness?

Israel DOES NOT EQUAL Jew. Didn't you know this? I would have thought "you guys" would know that by now.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 05:19 PM
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42. People who equate Israel with Jews and vice versa are anti-Semitic.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 06:29 PM
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45. How about people who equate Islam with Palestinian?
or, for that matter with Arab? (Not anti-semitic, but anti-something, surely.)
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 06:37 PM
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46. Simple minds can't see the distinction
Edited on Mon Jan-26-09 06:40 PM by baldguy
Even when it's spelled out for them.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 07:10 AM
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64. It's a similar phenomenon
It's only antisemitic/Islamophobic if you regard being Jewish/Muslim/Israeli/Arab as a bad thing; but it leads to a lot of confusion, and can contribute to antisemitism/Islamophobia.

E.g. referring to some confusions that I've often encountered:

The overwhelming majority of British Muslims are *not* Arab.

Most Arab Americans are not Muslim but Christian.

Only a small number of countries practice the extremes of 'Sharia law' with stonings, etc. It is not a common feature of Arab or Muslim-majority countries.

Iran is not an 'Arab country'. Israel in fact has a considerably higher percentage of Arab citizens than Iran does.

At least half of the Israeli Jews are not of Europaean origin.

Most Jews do not live in Israel.

The Right of Return does NOT give automatic dual citizenship or right to vote to Jews in other countries. It gives Jews the right to immigrate to Israel if they so choose, but they would normally lose their citizenship in their countries of origin. There are some exceptions to the last sentence - but the number of dual Israeli/ (other country) citizens is FAR lower than is sometimes represented.

Many Jews, in Israel and elsewhere, are secular. Many religious Jews are not Orthodox.

Etc.!

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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 08:02 AM
Response to Reply #39
68. Posts 15, 34 and 59 and others
state that the media is run/threatened by Israel/Zionists. You don't want to see what's right in front of your face, that's your problem. I agree that corporations run the news - that's much different than saying Israel does.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 07:27 PM
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76. You replied to my post, implying that I said that Jews own the media.
I never said that. That's YOUR problem. It is my responsibility to read the posts to which I reply and the posts that reply to me. It is NOT my "problem" that some other poster somewhere said something you don't like.

The U.S. media, whatever its ownership, is overwhelmingly pro-Israel. In fact, our corporate media relentlessly spreads pro-Israel propaganda in place of actual news from the region. In the long run, this does not serve anyone's interests, not even Israel's.

As to *why* our media is pro-Israel, the reasons are numerous and some are complex. But for Israel's defenders to reflexively label anyone who points out the US media's bias as an anti-semite who claims that "Jews own the media" is insulting, ignorant and just as bigoted as the real anti-semites you decry. It is a stereotypical caricature of a real anti-semite that barely even exists anymore. Too often, Israel's defenders use this form of ad hominem in place of offering an actual defense of Israel's policies toward the Palestinians.

As for the posts you cite, they do imply that the pro-Israel slant of our media is due to some sort of coercion. I don't see any claim that "Jews own the media."
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 08:13 AM
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69. How does this fit with 'owned by Israel'?
The corporations - which I agree do largely control the media - are certainly not Israel!
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 07:29 PM
Response to Reply #69
77. who said anything about or even like "owned by Israel"?
Our media are owned by corporations, as explicitly stated in my post.

These corporations are pro-Israel.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 02:55 AM
Response to Reply #77
84. In post 32...
'no surprise given the ownership of our media and political opinions by Israel.'

My own view is that there's lots of influence in the other direction, which is not as often recognized as it could be. Israel's role as ally to, and to some extent dependant of, the USA can lead to its being used as a pawn by RW American governments (as indeed the UK has sometimes been). I hope that the current American government will use its influence more in the direction of peace.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 06:36 PM
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85. my apologies.
It appears to me that somehow in the act of posting words were deleted. I do not believe, nor would I defend the assertion that our media is owned by Israel.

I agree. I think the close relationship between Israel and the US is a double-edged sword. I believe both countries and the cause of peace are harmed by the perception that Israeli interests and US interests are one and the same.
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hulka38 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 06:59 PM
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33. When you're a blank slate pumped with massive disinformation your opinion becomes skewed.
How many Americans crapped their pants that Iraq was fixing to nuke us? - A similar number. We have a lot of blank slates exposed to a lot of disinformation.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 02:13 PM
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36. This either or type of question is bullshit.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 02:36 PM
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40. The Neocon propaganda has worked like a charm...even on so-called
liberals.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 05:32 PM
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43. I'm used to being in the minority.
The raid into Gaza was bad enough, but that "60 Minutes" last night blew me away. Israel gets no sympathy from me.
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nodramamama Donating Member (84 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 05:37 PM
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44. The media is pro-Israel
That's evident. I don't blame polls. I blame one-sided coverage.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 06:40 PM
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47. Not a surprise. The majority of people in this country
don't like Muslims.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 07:15 PM
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48. Why is this an a) OR b) question?
I support both...
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 07:27 PM
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49. I support the 1936-1946 Jewish people who were persecuted by the Nazis
and I feel horrible that no one came to their aid in time, BUT I do NOT support the right wing Jewish POLITICIANS who took advantage of poor, uneducated Arabs who bore them NO ill-will until they were pushed into exile off the lands they had occupied alongside the jews for thousands of years....and who NOW are little more than prisoners in a ghetto, because they have the audacity to outnumber the people who "came back" in 1948 and took over..
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 07:31 PM
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52. Just thinking the exact same thing.
Polls like this are part of the problem. I support both peoples, and neither leadership.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 06:57 AM
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63. Agree - just posted something similar!
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 07:29 PM
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51. I seriously doubt that poll.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 08:02 PM
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53. Why? Because you don't agree with it? It sounds right based on my observations of the real world.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 01:47 AM
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57. You do not strike me as the type who would have any observations of the real world
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 04:32 PM
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71. Why? Because of MY observations. Certainly, not all the world sees it as
you do.
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Yukari Yakumo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 10:58 PM
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54. Propaganda works! {nt}
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 01:44 AM
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56. Right.
What was the question???
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 05:50 AM
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60. The rockets launched over the siege walls from Masada will stop... when?
Wait, wait?

The poll compares a nation vs. a social grouping?

What are the stats for Palestine vs. Jews, Palestine vs. Zionists, etc?

'Americans overwhelmingly support Germany, not communists, socialists, and other dissidents' didn't turn out so well, either.
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 05:56 AM
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61. Who did the poll?
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 06:55 AM
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62. What was the question?
And was there any option for "I support both Israel and Palestine, but don't support the right-wing of either?"
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 07:16 AM
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66. Americans overwhelmingly supported the Iraq war, too
Based largely on media coverage in the states.

People in other nations with an accurate media weren't fooled on bit- and the same is true about Israel.

Sad that Americans don't have the same coverage that others get abroad- and so get played repeatedly for fools.
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 07:56 AM
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67. And the majority of Democrats too...
exactly the opposite of an earlier poll. Clearly *this* one is accurate. :eyes:
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 05:02 PM
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72. THERE'S NO LINK TO THE POLL!! There's a link to a REPORT on the poll but not the poll itself.
Thx
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RepublicanElephant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 05:03 PM
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73. most americans are ignorant about the bad things that really go on in this world.
especially when it's the "good guys" doing them.
:banghead:
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:54 PM
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78. Interesting. It doesn't seem that way
Maybe I'm just in a bubble. But even on C-Span it seems like everyone is in agreement (both left & right callers).
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 11:56 PM
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79. The point of your post?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 12:10 AM
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80. Americans overwhelmingly are ignorant of the facts in I/P conflict
This is the same group of people that wondered aloud "why do they hate us?" in the aftermath of 9-11, blissfully ignorant of the US policies that brought about the attacks on WTC.
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sampsonblk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 01:36 AM
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82. I support the both
Most Americans get bullshit news.
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Orangeone Donating Member (395 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 09:02 PM
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86. Americans are in the dark

Opinions would change dramatically if Americans knew how much of our tax dollars are wasted on Israel...
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genna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 09:15 PM
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87. What do you mean by support?
I definitely don't support fencing in Gazans and then bombing them with U.S. weapons.

I definitely don't support Palestinians sole means of defense is throwing rocks at soldiers with weapons.

I also don't support revising history so that the Holocaust is seen as something other than a historical fact.


Peace with bombs will never work.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-28-09 11:36 PM
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88. While I don't doubt that American public opinion is in Israel's corner, it's a stupid poll
You can support both Israel and Palestine. It's also vague about what "support" means.

But the United States has historical Cold War ties to Israel and thus public sentiment is in their corner. That doesn't necessarily anti Palestinian.
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