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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:08 AM Original message |
I want Obama to explain the US killing people in Pakistan |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:34 AM Response to Original message |
1. He's explained it repeatedly |
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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 06:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Please link to his explanations, thx n/t |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 06:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Did you follow the campaign? |
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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 11:21 AM Response to Reply #6 |
22. He's president now and should re-introduce the policy to national debate |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
37. Its not a pre-emptive strike if they attacked you first. |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-25-09 12:41 PM Response to Reply #37 |
85. I'm not convinced these 'targets' actually 'attacked us first' |
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11 Bravo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-25-09 12:55 PM Response to Reply #85 |
88. You're not convinced? |
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bigtree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-25-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. It's really not clear who ordered these strikes. You can only provide the military report |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 06:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. I'm sorry, but you're just as capable as I am, I presume, of doing |
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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #7 |
33. White House refuses to comment on strikes |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
76. Ah, it's only the violation of a sovereign nation; how Cheneyan to not comment... |
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democracy1st (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 07:10 AM Response to Reply #4 |
16. darn man give him some time! |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 11:52 AM Response to Reply #4 |
34. He said this before he became the nominee: |
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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. thank you for the link. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 09:28 PM Response to Reply #1 |
75. NO, he said he'd do it if Pakistan couldn't or wouldn't |
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Balbus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-25-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
91. So he's okay with killing children in order to hopefully kill a few Mosleem bad guys? |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:41 AM Response to Original message |
2. The Who and the Why are pretty self-explanatory. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:45 AM Response to Original message |
3. You thought that you would be enjoying world peace |
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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 06:10 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. thanks for the sneer and the childishness. n/t |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 06:37 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Keep your pony, Frenchie. I'll settle for less corpses. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 06:36 AM Response to Original message |
8. There is no good explanation for violating sovereignty and continuing preemptive killing. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 06:42 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I'm not sure that he's violating sovereignity |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #10 |
27. Pakistan has expressed great concern over US drone attacks |
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hack89 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #27 |
62. And we know that governments never say one thing publicly |
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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #8 |
21. That's my view too. And if Obama is going to engage in this, |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #8 |
36. The President has a good explanation: |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
38. How exactly is this preemptive killing? |
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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. How is it not? |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Are you kidding me? We've been fighting AQ and the Taliban for 7 years now. |
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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. calm down. As I said, does the US have the right to bomb any country where supposed AQ are? |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. You want NSA signal intercepts? |
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Duende azul (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 07:08 PM Response to Reply #46 |
72. 7 years of illegal war. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Unless you're wearing a tin foil hat, you know what im talking about |
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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-25-09 12:38 PM Response to Reply #73 |
84. You're just another warmonger, aren't you? How's your Halliburton stock doing? |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-25-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #84 |
92. I'll wait till you calm down and stop the ridiculous personal attacks. |
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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-25-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. you mean like "Because you're a fucking intelligent expert" kind of personal attacks? |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 06:43 AM Response to Original message |
11. Huffington Post Missile Strikes On Pakistan Since Obama Presidency Report |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 06:48 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. This is Obama's policy. Period. He made it perfectly clear |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 06:57 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. I agree it is "his" policy but I do think the cabinet he chose goes right along with it. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 11:42 AM Response to Reply #14 |
28. I suppose it is true that neither his Secretary of State nor his Secretary of Defense |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 09:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
74. He said he'd do it if Pakistan couldn't or wouldn't |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 06:54 AM Response to Original message |
13. What Absolute BULLCRAP !! You've linked to the SAME one story six times, using a different |
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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #13 |
20. no idea what you are talking about |
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Life Long Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 06:58 AM Response to Original message |
15. Maybe al-queda shouldn't bring their war home to family and friends? |
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kstewart33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 09:07 AM Response to Original message |
17. He said he'd do it and he did it. No explanation needed . eom |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
18. When a country has poor control over affairs in its own borders, this is legitimate. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-25-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #18 |
81. Incapable ally is putting it mildly. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
19. clearly not because he views the world as a video game where he kills people at will |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
23. Obama said repeatedly during the campaign that he would strike AQ or Taliban targets |
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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. yes you are right but now he has done it and it's up for grabs |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. I don't understand the word "preemptive" there. |
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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. This isn't in Afghanistan and the question is |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:15 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Iraq never attacked us, but Al-Qaeda sure did. |
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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. That doesn't give the US the right to bomb any country where a supposed AQ person is. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. If we have actionable intelligence of a target, and Pakistan wont do anything,..go for it. |
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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. "actionable intelligence of a target" = vague words for killing unknown people. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Because you're a fucking intelligent expert.. |
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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. Time for you to take your chill pills. Bye |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Look at FOIA info from the last decade or so. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
47. Right has nothing to do with it. US policy for decades |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
61. It is indeed the fight in Afghanistan. Wars involving non-governmental entities |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
24. Because Bush started all of it? |
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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. this I don't agree with. Like the trials in Guito or torture, technically he could just stop it |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. He could, but he believes that Afghanistan is critical, and has since 2001. nt |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 11:48 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. gitmo won't be closed for a year - the order just started it |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. Because it is irresponsbile to immediately stop operations in Iraq? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #42 |
58. Yes. So it would on the Afghan war. Which is what the OP |
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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. wrong, I did not say to immediately end the Afghan. war. I said why are we killing in Pakistan |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. That's pretty much part of the Afghan war. Al Qaeda retreated |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
26. Sounds like ENDLESS WAR to me. nt |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
35. Here you go |
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AnotherMother4Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:27 PM Response to Original message |
51. Limbaugh's spiel: "Obama is going to own this economy & wars. Within 7 months he will be to blame." |
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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:33 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. to hell with Limbaugh |
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DCBob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
54. Obama has been talking about doing this since the very beginning of his campaign.. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 01:22 PM Response to Original message |
57. It was wrong when Bush did it. |
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Dreamer Tatum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:11 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. That is exactly the size of it. |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. Now, I did not see mention of innocent people in the story |
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deadlyaj (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #57 |
78. It wasnt wrong when Bush did it and it isnt wrong when Obama does it |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-25-09 12:49 PM Response to Reply #57 |
87. I question the idea that it is necessarily wrong. |
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samsingh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 04:45 PM Response to Original message |
63. they are training terrorists in pakistan. |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:14 PM Response to Original message |
65. I agree, K&R |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #65 |
69. In this case because they are shooting at you. |
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Duende azul (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 06:53 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. They are shooting at you because you have no business being there waging war. |
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cbc5g (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
66. Obama thinks that "the ends justify the means". |
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dbmk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
67. The area they are attacking is only Pakistan by virtue of a line on a map. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:46 PM Response to Original message |
70. North and South Waziristan are ungoverned provinces along the Afghan border |
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deadlyaj (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
77. in the words of bush... Kill the bastards, kill the bastards, kill the bastards |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-25-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #77 |
94. We were attacked by a handful of people .... |
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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-25-09 05:19 AM Response to Original message |
79. THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR HELPFUL REPLIES AND THE HEALTHY DEBATE |
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Clio the Leo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-25-09 09:12 AM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Because he doesn't do cowering..... |
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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-25-09 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
82. Well in the end, it's just another part of the mess that Obama inherited. nt |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-25-09 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
83. He explained it all through the election; this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. n/t |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-25-09 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
86. He's only been in office a few days |
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bos1 (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-25-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. that's a reasonable view. thanks. nt |
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