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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:02 PM
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Keith's got an exclusive with a whistleblower UPDATE: HE SPIED ON JOURNALISTS!
Edited on Wed Jan-21-09 07:45 PM by WeDidIt
Seems Bush spied on a lot of Americans.
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KewlKat Donating Member (867 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:11 PM
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1. I wonder if now, with an Adult in charge, if Sibel Edmonds
will finally be able to speak out about all that she knows. I can only hope.........
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:43 PM
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2. HOLY SHIT, HE SPIED ON JOURNALISTS!!!
:scared:

No wonder they bent to his every whim!
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:48 PM
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4. McCarthyism anyone?
Is this why the press was so cowardly and brow beaten?
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EraOfResponsibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:50 PM
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6. it's possible
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 09:49 AM
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24. Take the money, or take a carpet of bombs.
Something peculiar happened to this country. It's time we find out what it was.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:47 PM
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3. Kick
Wow.

Just fucking WOW!
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:49 PM
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5. K&R Tice offered his services to the Obama Administration
Edited on Wed Jan-21-09 07:50 PM by eleny
Keith will interview Tice again tomorrow.
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:51 PM
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7. Tice is a hero.
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:55 PM
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8. I didn't think my rage for Bush could grow bigger than it already is.
Wrong!

I hope more and more people come out - about everything. There is no way there aren't tons of them... they couldn't come forward before now for fear of retribution/retaliation, especially because of the real possibility that these criminals were perfectly capable of spying on them - or anyone - at any time - to heck with "rights" or (dismissive, smirking laugh) the Constitution.

Good flipping grief...
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:57 PM
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9. At one point or another, probably EVERY American had at least 1 conversation
recorded by these fucks.
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 08:22 PM
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12. They bugged houses, too, did they not? This is just so disgusting...
Its hard to fathom... If all these things that we believe (because there is so much information that makes it hard not to dismiss them) are actually, positively proven, I'd love to see a movement started to not only charge these people with crimes and (probably) convict them - but formally put an asterisk on Bush's name that would declare that he was proven after the fact as being unfit to be President and his Administration illegitimate and criminal in the eyes of American law.

Or something like that.

I want proof, and I think it can be had. I hope these people are finally held accountable. That said, I don't think it is the most pressing issue we need to deal with right now, seeing as though we are a nation in crisis and I think we need to deal with those things first...

These crimes won't go away. All the more reason to get Holder in office - they're only trying to delay it because too many people know that they may actually be held accountable. Holder will do this and I hope he's confirmed soon.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 07:57 PM
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10. Frickin WOW....Incredible...
The fallout of this will be insane...
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 08:05 PM
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11. And this is just the first chink in the armor!
Wait until the floodgate of whistleblowers opens up and then people who KNEW they were violating thelaw and the constitution start looking to blow the whistle in order to keep themselves out of prison!
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 09:39 PM
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13. kick because it's about to come back on Countdown...
... I had it on but was doing something else and missed the significance of it.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 09:53 PM
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16. I am now going to SPIT IN THE FACE .......
Edited on Wed Jan-21-09 09:54 PM by Clio the Leo
... of the next Freeper who says the phrase "biased liberal media" or "media elite."

I agree with the upthread post ...... GET RID OF THAT RUG MR PRESIDENT!!!! It's a lovely rug .... BUT IT REAKS!!!!
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 09:40 PM
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14. Get rid of That Carpet, Mr. President!
Edited on Wed Jan-21-09 09:40 PM by WinkyDink
More truth than humor.
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 09:47 PM
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15. My jaw is still on the floor. This needs to be on the front page of DU.
So K & R for the masses.


I can't wait to see tomorrow's show.


:kick:
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 09:55 PM
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17. And here's a transcript for anyone who missed it......
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:14 PM
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19. Thanks for that link. n/t
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 10:02 PM
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18. was`t that a given?
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shintao Donating Member (288 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 11:06 PM
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20. Hope he lives long enough to tell the story
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 12:53 AM
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21. Wait. I want to find out when Tice was fired because I would think
that this 24/7 tap on news organizations and journalists would have even more significance if it was being done prior to Bush's re-election...

This is so creepy and so unbelievable I'm actually amazed that every thread isn't about this issue. I can't believe this just gets worse and worse...

I guess it didn't really register fully when I first heard this, because it's just beginning to dawn on me how disturbing this truly is. I hope this is broken wide open... good grief - how unethical and evil can these people be proven to be?? Far more than I am comfortable imagining, but I want to know about all of it, comfort be damned.

Damn them.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 01:05 AM
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22. They were wiretapping UN officials at their offices and their homes
From there to bugging journalists is a short hop.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:44 AM
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23. No surprise here
Actually, I had assumed that this was the case all along and used it as a back-channel to goad them. Once you know you're being watched, it becomes entertainment.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 09:51 AM
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25. Do you think journalists will come out and start telling us their stories?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 09:55 AM
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27. I would bet few of them have a clue.
IMHO
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 10:01 AM
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29. Do you think that with Obama in office, this info will be available with an FOIA?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 10:04 AM
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30. As long as it is evidence in potential prosecutions
Edited on Thu Jan-22-09 10:05 AM by formercia
it would be privileged information and FOIA would not apply. Once it is used in a prosecution, entered into the public record and, assuming it wasn't classified, yes.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 09:52 AM
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26. Disgusting but not surprising.
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 09:55 AM
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28. Remember when Bush wrote MSNBC on how to do their jobs..that's a more respectable way of "shaping"
the news.

"THE WHITE HOUSE
Office of the Press Secretary
_______________________________________________________
For Immediate Release May 19, 2008
Setting The Record Straight:
The following is a letter from Counselor to the President Ed Gillespie to NBC News President Steve Capus:
Steve Capus
President, NBC News
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, N.Y. 10112
Mr. Capus:
This e-mail is to formally request that NBC Nightly News and The Today Show air for their viewers President Bush's actual answer to correspondent Richard Engel's question about Iran policy and "appeasement," rather than the deceptively edited version of the President's answer that was aired last night on the Nightly News and this morning on The Today Show.
In the interview, Engel asked the President: "You said that negotiating with Iran is pointless, and then you went further. You said that it was appeasement. Were you referring to Senator Barack Obama?"
The President responded: "You know, my policies haven't changed, but evidently the political calendar has. People need to read the speech. You didn't get it exactly right, either. What I said was is that we need to take the words of people seriously. And when, you know, a leader of Iran says that they want to destroy Israel, you've got to take those words seriously. And if you don't take them seriously, then it harkens back to a day when we didn't take other words seriously. It was fitting that I talked about not taking the words of Adolf Hitler seriously on the floor of the Knesset. But I also talked about the need to defend Israel, the need to not negotiate with the likes of al Qaeda, Hezbollah and Hamas. And the need to make sure Iran doesn't get a nuclear weapon."
This answer makes clear: (1). The President's remarks before the Knesset were not different from past policy statements, but are now being looked at through a political prism, (2). Corrects the inaccurate premise of Engel's question by putting the "appeasement" line in the proper context of taking the words of leaders seriously, not "negotiating with Iran," (3). Restates the U.S.'s long-standing policy positions against negotiating with al Qaeda, Hezbollah and Hamas, and not allowing Iran to obtain a nuclear weapon.
Engel's immediate follow-up question was, "Repeatedly you've talked about Iran and that you don't want to see Iran develop a nuclear weapon. How far away do you think Iran is from developing a nuclear capability?"
The President replied, "You know, Richard, I don't want to speculate and there's a lot of speculation. But one thing is for certain we need to prevent them from learning how to enrich uranium. And I have made it clear to the Iranians that there is a seat at the table for them if they would verifiably suspend their enrichment. And if not, we'll continue to rally the world to isolate them."
This response reiterates another long-standing policy, which is that if Iran verifiably suspends its uranium enrichment program the U.S. government would engage in talks with the Iranian government.
NBC's selective editing of the President's response is clearly intended to give viewers the impression that he agreed with Engel's characterization of his remarks when he explicitly challenged it. Furthermore, it omitted the references to al Qaeda, Hezbollah and Hamas and ignored the clarifying point in the President's follow-up response that U.S. policy is to require Iran to suspend its nuclear enrichment program before coming to the table, not that "negotiating with Iran is pointless" and amounts to "appeasement."
This deceitful editing to further a media-manufactured storyline is utterly misleading and irresponsible and I hereby request in the interest of fairness and accuracy that the network air the President's responses to both initial questions in full on the two programs that used the excerpts.
As long as I am making this formal request, please allow me to take this opportunity to ask if your network has reconsidered its position that Iraq is in the midst of a civil war, especially in light of the fact that the unity government in Baghdad recently rooted out illegal, extremist groups in Basra and reclaimed the port there for the people of Iraq, among other significant signs of progress.
On November 27, 2006, NBC News made a decision to no longer just cover the news in Iraq, but to make an analytical and editorial judgment that Iraq was in a civil war. As you know, both the United States government and the Government of Iraq disputed your account at that time. As Matt Lauer said that morning on The Today Show: "We should mention, we didn't just wake up on a Monday morning and say, 'Let's call this a civil war.' This took careful deliberation.'"
I noticed that around September of 2007, your network quietly stopped referring to conditions in Iraq as a "civil war." Is it still NBC News's carefully deliberated opinion that Iraq is in the midst of a civil war? If not, will the network publicly declare that the civil war has ended, or that it was wrong to declare it in the first place?
Lastly, when the Commerce Department on April 30 released the GDP numbers for the first quarter of 2007, Brian Williams reported it this way: "If you go by the government number, the figure that came out today stops just short of the official declaration of a recession."
The GDP estimate was a positive 0.6% for the first quarter. Slow growth, but growth nonetheless. This followed a slow but growing fourth quarter in 2007. Consequently, even if the first quarter GDP estimate had been negative, it still would not have signaled a recession neither by the unofficial rule-of-thumb of two consecutive quarters of negative growth, nor the more robust definition by the National Bureau of Economic Research (the group that officially marks the beginnings and ends of business cycles).
Furthermore, never in our nation's history have we characterized economic conditions as a "recession" with unemployment so low in fact, when this rate of unemployment was eventually reached in the 1990s, it was hailed as the sign of a strong economy. This rate of unemployment is lower than the average of the past three decades.
Are there numbers besides the "government number" to go by? Is there reason to believe "the government number" is suspect? How does the release of positive economic growth for two consecutive quarters, albeit limited, stop "just short of the official declaration of a recession"?
Mr. Capus, I'm sure you don't want people to conclude that there is really no distinction between the "news" as reported on NBC and the "opinion" as reported on MSNBC, despite the increasing blurring of those lines. I welcome your response to this letter, and hope it is one that reassures your broadcast network's viewers that blatantly partisan talk show hosts like Christopher Matthews and Keith Olbermann at MSNBC don't hold editorial sway over the NBC network news division.
Sincerely,
Ed Gillespie
Counselor to the President"
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 07:32 AM
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31. We were spied on at DU as well
Edited on Fri Jan-23-09 07:33 AM by formercia
I don't know if any of you remember the thread I posted a while back about catching my computer logging on to CSIS as I was logging on to Xwindows? I went to look up the thread yesterday and it had been deleted from my journal. It seems that they have access to DU as well and the archives.
You can assume everything you posted here or PM'd to someone was read as well. If they could install a root kit on my system, they could just as easily do the same to just about anyone here.

http://csis.org /

These guys claim to be white hats but they have a dark side as well.
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ihavenobias Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 09:58 AM
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32. Sadly, I expected as much
But it's good to have some confirmation (well, good in a bad way of course). The PM's part bothers me, but if they're reading emails PM's make sense.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-23-09 10:39 AM
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33. Check out the Trustees
Really,the wolves are guarding the sheeple.

http://www.csis.org/about/trustees /


Trustees

* George L. Argyros -- Chairman & CEO, Arnel & Affiliates
* Richard Armitage -- President, Armitage International
* Reginald K. Brack -- Former Chairman & CEO, Time, Incorporated
* William E. Brock** -- Counselor and Trustee, CSIS
* Harold Brown** -- Counselor and Trustee, CSIS
* Zbigniew Brzezinski** -- Counselor and Trustee, CSIS
* William S. Cohen -- Chairman & CEO, The Cohen Group
* Ralph Cossa -- President, Pacific Forum/CSIS
* Richard Fairbanks -- Counselor and Trustee, CSIS
* William H. Frist -- Trustee, CSIS
* Michael P. Galvin* -- President, Harrison Street Capital, LLC
* Helene D. Gayle -- President & CEO, CARE USA
* Linda W. Hart*-- Vice Chairman & CEO, The Hart Group, Inc.
* Ben W. Heineman, Jr. -- CSIS Trustee and Senior Adviser
* Thomas O. Hicks -- Chairman, Hicks Holdings LLC
* Carla A. Hills** -- Chairman & CEO, Hills & Company
* Ray L. Hunt -- Chairman of the Board, President and CEO, Hunt Consolidated, Inc.
* E. Neville Isdell -- Chairman, The Coca-Cola Company
* James L. Jones -- Trustee, CSIS
* Muhtar Kent -- President and CEO, The Coca-Cola Company
* Henry A. Kissinger** -- Chairman & CEO, Kissinger Associates, Inc.
* Kenneth G. Langone -- President & CEO, Invemed Associates, LLC
* Donald B. Marron -- Chairman & CEO, Lightyear Capital
* Joseph Nye -- Distinguished Service Professor, Harvard University, Kennedy School of Government
* Thomas Pritzker -- Chairman & CEO, The Pritzker Organization, LLC
* Joseph E. Robert -- Chairman and CEO, The J.E. Robert Companies (JER)
* Felix G. Rohatyn -- Vice Chairman, FGR Associated, LLC
* David M. Rubenstein -- Cofounder and Managing Director, The Carlyle Group
* Charles A. Sanders -- Former Chairman & CEO, Glaxo Inc.
* James R. Schlesinger** -- Former Secretary of Defense and Energy
* Brent Scowcroft** -- President, Forum for International Policy
* Rex Tillerson -- Chairman & CEO, Exxon Mobil Corporation
* Frederick B. Whittemore* -- Advisory Director, Morgan Stanley

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 12:31 AM
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34. The failures who brought us to this great point in history
Screw ups, almost every one of them.

Thanks for the security alert. It's not surprising.

Ironically, too much information is as useless as too little.

What are they going to pick up here? Nothing. But this is a huge forum, takes lots of time.

Here's what stops a lot of this. Panetta finds out that some clowns are spying and still folloing
around after a directive is issued to stop. He Kirks out and has them prosecuted. You know that's got
to happen or it will go on forever in the bowels of the bureaucracy.



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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 04:40 AM
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35. I wonder who's paying for this
The USG or the Shadow Government.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:07 AM
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36. this is treason ..the 4th amendment violated n/t
Edited on Sat Jan-24-09 08:08 AM by wroberts189
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