Have you received this Republican email?

[dalfollo]

Anyone received this email? Suggestions on it?

>>>>Election Time - Facts Thiis is something for you to think over, you make up your mind
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>>>>Learn these facts to properly debate our poor misguided friends before election time!!!
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>>>>There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq during the month of January
>>>...
>>>>In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January.
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>>>>That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war torn country of Iraq.
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>>>>When some claim President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following ...

>>>>FDR ...
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>>>>led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us: Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.
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>>>>Truman ... finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,334 per year.
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>>>>John F. Kennedy ... started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.
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>>>>Johnson ... turned Vietnam into a quagmire.From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.

>>>>Clinton ... went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
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>>>>In the two years since terrorists attacked us

>>>>President Bush has ...

>>>>liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
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>>>>The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking, but ...
>>>>It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51 day operation.
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>>>>We've been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.
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>>>>It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
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>>>>It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!
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>>>>Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB! The Military moral is high!
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>>>>The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts.
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>>>>PASS IT ON

[deutsey]

1. There was a post yesterday that provided a link that completely

debunks this.

I can't seem to find it now, though.

[Sparkly]

2. Here's a page

http://www.local8-0237.com/interesting_facts_rebuttal.htm

Somebody suggested this another time the same email was posted here. Seen it several times now. Lame attempt to justify an unjust war.

[deutsey]

4. That's the link I was referring to

Thanks.

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

3. Where do I begin?

There are just so many things wrong with that message, I don't know where to start.

[fknobbit]

5. Yesterday!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2347864

[jonnyblitz]

6. I never get REPUBLICAN EMAIL EVER.

I don't know anybody that would sent me that VILE SHIT. All it would take would be ONE time and that person who be BLOCKED from emailing me and BANISHED from my kingdom. Anybody I know that would even CONSIDER sending that shit, that knows me, knows better. I wear my politics on my sleeve.

[dalfollo]

7. you have to engage them...

if you are going to convert them....

[blondeatlast]

10. Uh.

Huh.

Interesting statement...

Uh, yeah, um, welcome to DU.

:toast:

Edit: Good luck.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

12. All I can say is

[Kathy in Cambridge]

11. There are very few that WANT to be converted

they are willfully ignorant. They get the pResident they deserve-unfortunately we do too.

Most people can sense which folks are easily converted and those that are beyond hope.

[Sparkly]

13. But are they engaged?

Do they do more than cut/paste the same tired propaganda over and over again? Seems to me anybody willing to swallow absurdities -- like the invasion of Iraq being somehow akin to WWII -- is beyond reason. Do you actually convert such people?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

9. Neither Do I!

Even my Republican friends know enough NOT to send me this Bullshit unless they want to start a flame war. The last one I got I copied EVERY person on the distribution list and freaked a lot of people out! :D

[ComerPerro]

8. Isn't it interesting that

Even though reich wingers go out of their way to mention how Clinton "exploited" the military for political gain and brought us into needless operations, they never mention the death toll through Clinton's entire two terms?

[noonwitch]

14. January was a bad month in Detroit

The overall murder/violent crime rate went down substantially during the Clinton/Archer years. Mayor Archer made use of his friendship with Clinton and got some major funds to add cops to the police force and improve the enterprise zone neighborhoods.

The murder rate this year is going to be higher than the last few years. The city faced major budget cuts after Gov. Engler left office and left the state bankrupt by emptying out the rainy day funds and giving huge last minute tax breaks to his buddies. Without any further state or federal assistance, the city laid off lots of cops and other city employees. Couple that with a corrupt new mayor who wastes his police force by having them supervise stripper parties at the mayor's mansion, and you have a recipe for a rising crime rate, especially with the high unemployment rate currently in Michigan.

Most murders in Detroit are either domestic violence or drug-related. It is not any more dangerous than any other large city for the average person. I lived in Detroit from 1989-2001 and never was a crime victim.

The Iraq numbers are misleading, because they are only counting the deaths of US Military personnel. That would be akin to counting the number of cop murders in Detroit in January-I don't know that number, but it is probably less than 5. What's the iraqi civilian death toll for January? I'll bet it's a hell of a lot higher than 39.

[zbdent]

15. The point I take is this:

Consider the US forces in Iraq as "the police". There were 39 "police" murdered in Iraq in January.

Now, if there were 35 "police" murdered in Detroit, that place would be in a total lockdown.

[dalfollo]

16. thanks...

all good points, but i am tired of seeing these things go unanswered, and i will answer them when they come to me...especially when i have been included in a distro that deserves a 'reply to all'....

What strikes me as even funny, is that whenever i do reply with 'facts' i never get another retort in return...it is sad that so many get this view of the email above and never even see the rebuttal....I would like to see a law where there is a debate once a month during the election....why not have both views available at the same time...frankly the Dems need to be better at rebuttal and faster too...


Why don't we have a section in DU on just rebuttal collections? Post a claim and the replys can be the rebuttal....very handy for the group.