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Yes, I know he is from VA and must believe that way. Kaine on the Issues. Abortion"Promote abstinence; ban partial-birth abortion I will reduce abortion in Virginia by enforcing current Virginia restrictions, passing an enforceable ban on partial-birth abortion, ensuring women’s access to health care (including legal contraception), and promoting abstinence-focused education and adoption. We should reduce abortion in this manner, rather than by criminalizing women and doctors. Source: Campaign website www.kaine2005.org, “Issues” Nov 8, 2005
I have a faith-based opposition to abortion I have a faith-based opposition to abortion. As governor, I will work in good faith to reduce abortions by:
1. Enforcing the current Virginia restrictions on abortion and passing an enforceable ban on partial birth abortion that protects the life and health of the mother; 2. Fighting teen pregnancy through abstinence-focused education; 3. Ensuring women’s access to health care (including legal contraception) and economic opportunity; and 4. Promoting adoption as an alternative for women facing unwanted pregnancies.
Too often politicians are interested in scoring political points, rather than in reducing the number of abortions. Many of the legislative proposals introduced in the General Assembly, like the ones to require unnecessary building standards for doctor’s offices that perform abortions, are just political grandstanding. They encourage division and lawsuits rather than contributing to the goal of reducing abortions. Source: Campaign website www.kaine2005.org, “Issues” Nov 8, 2005" Kaine on stem cell researchWASHINGTON - While Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine said he supports the $500,000 allocation in the budget bill lawmakers approved last month to fund adult stem cell research in Virginia, he does not want to see taxpayer money used for embryonic stem cell research.
“I don’t think we should be publicly funding it in Virginia,” Kaine, who is Catholic, said Tuesday during his monthly appearance on WTOP radio. “You will not see me proposing that. I think there are huge advances that can be made in adult stem cell research. I think that’s the way to go.” Kaine on the same-sex marriage and civil unionsThe state also saw the swearing-in today in of a new governor, Democrat Tim Kaine, who opposes both same-sex marriage and civil unions. He has promised to sign the measure that places the amendment on the ballot after the Senate passes the proposal once more. Even more depressing is that measures that would have limited the scope of the amendment's discrimination were deep-sixed. (WashBlade):
Kaine spokeswoman Delacey Skinner said that the governor-elect will sign the bill to call for a referendum. Kaine supports the amendment and opposes civil unions, she said. She added that he is interested in discussing measures “to make sure people can still be able to contract with each other.”
However, efforts to limit the scope of the vaguely worded amendment were defeated. Del. Kristen J. Amundson’s (D-District 44) amendment, which received only 35 votes, would have eliminated all language except for: “Only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this Commonwealth and its political subdivisions.”
Del. Vivian Watts’ (D-District 39) amendment was also rejected by a vote of 36 to 60. She proposed including a clarification that the amendment would not change “any other right, benefit, obligation or legal status pertaining to persons not married.” Kaine on labor issues and right to work issues. Kaine:"I am saddened that the House leadership has chosen the Washington style path of partisanship by rejecting a good and capable man...The Secretary of the Commonwealth has no - I repeat, no - role in the enforcement of Virginia's right-to-work law, a law I strongly support."
I added the emphasis. I could see a guy making a statement--though I still think it would be a sad comment--that he would enforce the laws of Virginia, which includes right-to-work. But to say publicly he STRONGLY SUPPORTS anti-union laws is unacceptable.
.."Supporting Right to Work laws which make it impossible to organize a union is one of them. It's just not ok for workers to have no opportunity to stand up for themselves against abusive labor practices
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I can already feel the change! |
Bluebear |
Jan-04-09 08:27 PM |
#1 |
 
Change we can make believe in! |
Dr.Phool |
Jan-04-09 11:49 PM |
#104 |
  
Change we are expected to 'make believe' in. nt |
ooglymoogly |
Jan-05-09 09:57 AM |
#195 |
  
That's golden. Let's keep that one handy. nt |
rudy23 |
Jan-05-09 11:59 AM |
#229 |
 
It's washing all over me! |
donco6 |
Jan-05-09 06:30 PM |
#294 |
 
Change: not having ideological purity tests for party leaders |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-12-09 07:36 PM |
#338 |

It would be nice if the chair of the Democratic party was actually a Democratic |
dflprincess |
Jan-12-09 08:23 PM |
#339 |

It would be nice if some Democrats were not so narrow-minded as to their definition of |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-14-09 11:56 AM |
#340 |

Some issues are not negotiable |
dflprincess |
Jan-14-09 01:24 PM |
#341 |

How will him being DNC Chairman affect those issues? |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-16-09 09:59 AM |
#344 |

good thing the DNC chair doesn't set policy, huh? |
wyldwolf |
Jan-04-09 08:28 PM |
#2 |
 
Yeh, yeh, what a relief. |
madfloridian |
Jan-04-09 08:31 PM |
#4 |
  
that the DNC chair doesn't set policy means plenty |
wyldwolf |
Jan-04-09 08:32 PM |
#6 |
 
Yes, how lucky our last one couldn't set policy. |
madfloridian |
Jan-04-09 08:34 PM |
#10 |
 
yes, actually |
wyldwolf |
Jan-04-09 08:41 PM |
#20 |
 
People!! Calm down!! Its ONLY a TWO MINUTE PRAYER!!!!1!!1!! |
sheeptramp |
Jan-04-09 08:33 PM |
#9 |

Same thing I thought. How long is that argument going to last? |
donco6 |
Jan-05-09 06:31 PM |
#295 |

Anything good going on with this guy? n/t |
firedupdem |
Jan-04-09 08:29 PM |
#3 |
 
He knows how to win election in areas where Republicans usually dominate |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-04-09 08:32 PM |
#8 |
  
well that's good! Jeez... n/t |
firedupdem |
Jan-04-09 08:34 PM |
#11 |
  
By becoming a Republican in all but name! We don't need that kind of win. |
yardwork |
Jan-04-09 08:37 PM |
#17 |
   
He is not a DINO |
VADem11 |
Jan-04-09 08:49 PM |
#27 |
   
You would have preferred Jerry Kilgore as VA's Governor? |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-05-09 09:41 AM |
#189 |
   
Fuck that, I live in VA and we definitely DID need that kind of win. |
11 Bravo |
Jan-05-09 09:49 AM |
#194 |
  
What's the difference with Tim Kaine? |
DutchLiberal |
Jan-05-09 07:11 PM |
#304 |
  
He won. He no longer |
femrap |
Jan-05-09 12:04 PM |
#232 |
  
By running republicans, right? -nt- |
DireStrike |
Jan-05-09 02:55 PM |
#276 |
 
He's anti death penalty |
LostinVA |
Jan-04-09 08:54 PM |
#33 |
  
It's a start. |
yardwork |
Jan-04-09 09:05 PM |
#38 |
   
No, it's not a start -- it just shows he's not a hypocrite |
LostinVA |
Jan-04-09 09:12 PM |
#44 |
  
It's a false start. So far, hope and change is not off to a good start at all. |
yardwork |
Jan-04-09 09:15 PM |
#45 |
  
My heart sank when I came on here this evening and saw Kaine was chosen |
LostinVA |
Jan-04-09 09:20 PM |
#49 |
  
Well, it is change - a big change from Howard Dean |
dflprincess |
Jan-04-09 09:21 PM |
#51 |
   
Maybe they'll be huge gains for the Democrats as all the Republicans become Dems. |
yardwork |
Jan-04-09 09:27 PM |
#58 |
  
Good point |
dflprincess |
Jan-04-09 09:54 PM |
#69 |
  
Yeah and half of DU would be thrilled with that |
Generator |
Jan-05-09 08:53 PM |
#308 |
  
I HOPE this horrible downward spiral into becoming the Republican Party |
Jamastiene |
Jan-05-09 06:24 AM |
#168 |
  
Oh goody |
MountainLaurel |
Jan-05-09 11:35 AM |
#218 |
 
But yet he's signed off on eight executions |
LostinVA |
Jan-05-09 11:38 AM |
#222 |
 
I guess God told him they deserved it n/t |
MountainLaurel |
Jan-05-09 11:39 AM |
#224 |
  
Seriously |
LostinVA |
Jan-05-09 11:39 AM |
#225 |
 
Why be serious when the government plays political jokes with the general publics lives? |
nolabels |
Jan-05-09 12:36 PM |
#246 |
 
Not much spine there |
kenfrequed |
Jan-05-09 05:50 PM |
#291 |
 
He's been a horrible governor as far as environment and health care in very deep Red SWVA. |
quidam56 |
Jan-05-09 12:44 AM |
#113 |
 
Kaine |
byeya |
Jan-05-09 07:29 AM |
#176 |

Exactly -- who was I going to vote for, that Nazi KIlgore??? |
LostinVA |
Jan-05-09 11:38 AM |
#223 |

I'm sure that President-elect Obama was unaware of Kaine's policy positions when he chose him |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-04-09 08:32 PM |
#5 |
 
DIANNE FEINSTEIN PICKED HIM!!!1!!!11! |
QC |
Jan-04-09 09:54 PM |
#70 |
  
Oh, well that's all right then. Not. |
yardwork |
Jan-04-09 10:05 PM |
#72 |
  
Too kewl! We were getting way too far left, by golly. |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-04-09 10:18 PM |
#83 |
  
Whaaaaaaaaat! |
BecauseBushSaysSo |
Jan-05-09 01:11 AM |
#117 |
 
whoosh |
LostinVA |
Jan-05-09 07:21 AM |
#173 |
 
Uh, yeah, right |
NWHarkness |
Jan-04-09 10:17 PM |
#82 |
  
Perhaps they thought it was a different Tim Kaine |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-05-09 09:40 AM |
#188 |
 
Are you serious, or just fooling around? n/t |
donco6 |
Jan-05-09 06:34 PM |
#296 |
 
snap! |
pecwae |
Jan-06-09 08:51 AM |
#330 |

There's a name for people who hold those political positions: "Republican" |
Tesha |
Jan-04-09 08:32 PM |
#7 |
 
I agree. |
shayes51 |
Jan-06-09 08:40 AM |
#329 |

Damn. |
Autumn |
Jan-04-09 08:34 PM |
#12 |

Don't overreact, Tim Kaine will only be singing ONE SONG. nt |
Bluebear |
Jan-04-09 08:35 PM |
#13 |

Howard Dean, I miss you already. |
yardwork |
Jan-04-09 08:36 PM |
#14 |

And we could have had Kaine as VP! |
hulklogan |
Jan-04-09 08:36 PM |
#15 |

He believes that way because he's a serious Catholic, NOT because he's in VA. nt |
MookieWilson |
Jan-04-09 08:37 PM |
#16 |
 
But because he's in VA it was the way to win. |
madfloridian |
Jan-04-09 08:38 PM |
#18 |
  
Obama won here. |
spooky3 |
Jan-05-09 09:06 AM |
#185 |
 
So far he has not allowed his religious views to interfere |
Thothmes |
Jan-04-09 08:51 PM |
#31 |

Oh, now that is encouraging. He hasn't allowed a single gay marriage |
MasonJar |
Jan-04-09 09:10 PM |
#43 |
 
well, there goes that anti-death penalty bit of encouragement. nt |
JoeIsOneOfUs |
Jan-04-09 10:34 PM |
#91 |
  
I didn't say it wasn't a HOLLOW bit of encouragement |
LostinVA |
Jan-05-09 07:22 AM |
#174 |
 
Not a single gay marriage.... |
theHandpuppet |
Jan-06-09 12:15 AM |
#326 |

LOL! Do you have a bridge to sell me too? |
yardwork |
Jan-04-09 09:22 PM |
#52 |
 
The Republicans didn't lose in 2008...they just changed... |
keepCAblue |
Jan-05-09 10:54 AM |
#213 |

And that is the greatest indictment |
kenfrequed |
Jan-05-09 05:15 PM |
#284 |

Kaine ultimately spoke out against the VA ban on gay marriage |
ProSense |
Jan-04-09 08:40 PM |
#19 |
 
That's good news that he backtracked. |
madfloridian |
Jan-04-09 08:43 PM |
#22 |
 
Yes he did |
VADem11 |
Jan-04-09 08:43 PM |
#23 |
  
He won't be raising money from me. |
Bluebear |
Jan-04-09 08:45 PM |
#26 |
 
He didn't oppose the amendment because it would harm LGBT Americans |
hulklogan |
Jan-04-09 09:08 PM |
#41 |
 
He opposed it only because it'd hurt unmarried heterosexual couples |
JohnnieGordon |
Jan-04-09 10:05 PM |
#73 |

Damn it |
BecauseBushSaysSo |
Jan-05-09 01:39 AM |
#118 |
 
Or Britney Spears' 55 hours marriage. |
Jamastiene |
Jan-05-09 06:27 AM |
#169 |

Exactly |
madfloridian |
Jan-16-09 06:11 PM |
#345 |

Obama realizes that winning red states is the key to his reelection |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-04-09 08:42 PM |
#21 |
 
Yes, because Obama couldn't find a way to win this year. |
Bluebear |
Jan-04-09 08:44 PM |
#24 |
  
the difference was red states |
wyldwolf |
Jan-04-09 09:09 PM |
#42 |
   
Too bad Obama couldn't win them. Wait. |
yardwork |
Jan-04-09 09:21 PM |
#50 |
    
lol. There is no one serious on the left to challenge him |
wyldwolf |
Jan-04-09 09:23 PM |
#53 |
   
I guess that's what he's betting. That doesn't make him admirable. It makes him a pol. |
yardwork |
Jan-04-09 09:24 PM |
#55 |
    
It's a safe bet |
wyldwolf |
Jan-04-09 09:27 PM |
#59 |
   
I thought Clinton was much liberal on social issues. nt |
terisan |
Jan-04-09 09:34 PM |
#64 |
   
not much more, and a challenge from her (not probable) wouldn't be from the left |
wyldwolf |
Jan-04-09 09:43 PM |
#67 |
    
I don't think she would be inviting Rick Warren to speak at the ceremony. |
terisan |
Jan-04-09 09:53 PM |
# |
     
probably not but then again she would have done something to hurt someone's feelings |
wyldwolf |
Jan-04-09 10:04 PM |
#71 |
    
I don't think she would be inviting Rick Warren to speak at the ceremony. |
terisan |
Jan-04-09 09:53 PM |
#68 |
   
really? |
druidity33 |
Jan-05-09 07:47 AM |
#177 |
   
Along with moderate/mainstream Christians, Jews, damned near everything |
Dinkeldog |
Jan-05-09 01:29 PM |
#267 |
   
I don't consider either Clinton to be progressive or "left." |
yardwork |
Jan-04-09 10:07 PM |
#75 |
   
the difference was the public |
Two Americas |
Jan-04-09 10:27 PM |
#87 |
  
and the ones in the red states that did that was significant enough. |
wyldwolf |
Jan-04-09 10:54 PM |
#94 |
  
no |
Two Americas |
Jan-04-09 11:11 PM |
#101 |
  
yes |
wyldwolf |
Jan-05-09 05:50 AM |
#167 |
   
Arguing? |
kenfrequed |
Jan-05-09 05:23 PM |
#285 |
   
I didn't |
Two Americas |
Jan-05-09 09:03 PM |
#309 |
  
I wish I could K&R this post. |
Jamastiene |
Jan-05-09 06:30 AM |
#170 |
  
He won running as a moderate and winning a few red states |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-05-09 09:46 AM |
#192 |
 
Feh |
kenfrequed |
Jan-05-09 05:28 PM |
#286 |
  
Funny that you should bring up health care: |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-05-09 10:23 PM |
#313 |
 
Alright... |
kenfrequed |
Jan-06-09 07:08 AM |
#327 |
 
that is the story line, yes |
Two Americas |
Jan-05-09 09:22 PM |
#312 |
 
Focus on the presidential |
NWHarkness |
Jan-04-09 10:22 PM |
#85 |
  
Thank you, thank you. This is very true! |
saracat |
Jan-05-09 03:12 AM |
#144 |
 
What exactly did we win if no one represents our rights? |
saracat |
Jan-05-09 03:16 AM |
#145 |
  
We won a moderate Democratic President who shuns partisanship and extreme ideology |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-05-09 09:48 AM |
#193 |
 
Human Rights is extreme ideology? And exactly how is currying favor with |
saracat |
Jan-05-09 02:54 PM |
#275 |
 
It's partisan to support the platform? |
donco6 |
Jan-05-09 06:45 PM |
#298 |
 
Hell, *I* know how to win red states, too. |
donco6 |
Jan-05-09 06:41 PM |
#297 |

I'll take a very rare opportunity to agree with wyldwolf on this one. |
JeffR |
Jan-04-09 08:45 PM |
#25 |
 
Kaine does have a high bar set |
zidzi |
Jan-04-09 08:50 PM |
#29 |
 
I really don't care who is chair. I care that he thinks women and gays unworhy |
madfloridian |
Jan-04-09 08:51 PM |
#30 |
  
If someone with his views is setting policy, of course I care, |
JeffR |
Jan-04-09 09:07 PM |
#39 |
 
His job is to raise money - of course that will influence policy. |
yardwork |
Jan-04-09 09:17 PM |
#46 |
  
Yes. The leadership of the Dem Party has made a conscious decision to move to the right. |
terisan |
Jan-04-09 09:30 PM |
#61 |
   
Wow, if only we had known 'change' meant to the Right. n/t |
AntiFascist |
Jan-04-09 09:38 PM |
#66 |
   
I agree. That is the simplest and clearest explanation for what is happening. |
yardwork |
Jan-04-09 10:08 PM |
#76 |
  
His membership in the UCC puzzles me |
LostinVA |
Jan-05-09 08:59 AM |
#180 |
  
I won't quarrel with a fundraiser about fundraising. |
JeffR |
Jan-04-09 09:30 PM |
#62 |
  
Yes. The leadership of the Dem Party has made a conscious decision to move to the right. |
terisan |
Jan-04-09 09:30 PM |
#63 |
 
There will be no liberuhls in 2012, we'll be RepubloCrats! Yay! |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-04-09 10:12 PM |
#79 |
 
while the public moves to the Left |
Two Americas |
Jan-04-09 10:31 PM |
#89 |
 
So true! n/t |
terisan |
Jan-04-09 10:49 PM |
#93 |
 
It's the New Southern Strategy. Only social rather than racial issues |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-04-09 11:02 PM |
#96 |
 
Jeff.... |
Two Americas |
Jan-05-09 02:26 AM |
#127 |
 
I guess I am just surprised... |
madfloridian |
Jan-05-09 11:41 AM |
#226 |
  
With all the people they're throwing under the bus . . . |
martymar64 |
Jan-05-09 05:34 PM |
#288 |
 
What kind of Democrats do you think he will be working to get elected? |
TechBear_Seattle |
Jan-05-09 04:41 PM |
#280 |
 
Obama's all into the symbolism and the message (or so we were told with Warren) |
dflprincess |
Jan-04-09 09:26 PM |
#57 |
  
The Warren thing was utterly boneheaded. |
JeffR |
Jan-04-09 09:35 PM |
#65 |
 
DUPE .IT POSTED IN MULTIPLES. EOM.. |
flyarm |
Jan-05-09 12:24 AM |
#107 |
  
Nobody but me defines who I am as a "Democrat", thanks. |
JeffR |
Jan-05-09 12:35 AM |
#112 |
 
It all comes down to the 1st amendment |
dcsmart |
Jan-05-09 09:41 AM |
#190 |
 
DUPE.. |
flyarm |
Jan-05-09 12:26 AM |
#108 |
 
what are you talking about..this man doesn't need to make policy.. |
flyarm |
Jan-05-09 12:26 AM |
#109 |
 
what are you talking about..this man doesn't need to make policy.. |
flyarm |
Jan-05-09 12:27 AM |
#111 |
 
I'm with you, JeffR. Kaine was a good choice. I live in VA and have been happy with him as governor. |
w4rma |
Jan-05-09 11:50 AM |
#227 |

So the difference between him and a repug is -- ?? |
katandmoon |
Jan-04-09 08:50 PM |
#28 |
 
The Death Penalty -- that's it |
LostinVA |
Jan-04-09 08:56 PM |
#34 |

Which he hasn't stopped - he's let several executions go forward in VA. |
yardwork |
Jan-04-09 09:23 PM |
#54 |

Yup, that's about right |
LostinVA |
Jan-05-09 09:27 AM |
#186 |

THANK YOU -- I'm tired of people saying he isn't anti-choice or anti-GLBT |
LostinVA |
Jan-04-09 08:53 PM |
#32 |

The Chairman of the Party is anti choice, anti GLBT, anti stem cell, etc. |
LostinVA |
Jan-04-09 08:57 PM |
#35 |

Bring back that great democrat, Howard Dean. n/t |
Peregrine Took |
Jan-04-09 08:57 PM |
#36 |
 
Dean - after all he's done for the party - is dismissed. |
yardwork |
Jan-04-09 09:25 PM |
#56 |

I am, frankly, shocked by the treatment of Dean |
LostinVA |
Jan-05-09 09:02 AM |
#181 |

And just why did Obama get rid of Mr 50 State and replace him with Kaine? |
MasonJar |
Jan-04-09 09:03 PM |
#37 |
 
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jan-04-09 09:08 PM |
#40 |

It's only a two minute prayer |
ruggerson |
Jan-04-09 09:17 PM |
#47 |
 
He's only going to sing one song. Oh wait. |
yardwork |
Jan-04-09 09:18 PM |
#48 |

LOL, I know, my first thought: "So what's the new excuse of the week?" nt |
ProgressIn2008 |
Jan-04-09 09:29 PM |
#60 |

I'm a Log Cabin RepubloCrat now! Ole~! |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-04-09 10:09 PM |
#77 |

he is only going to run one political party |
Two Americas |
Jan-05-09 02:17 AM |
#125 |

And gay's, being 3/5 human, can still contract! YIPPIEEE! (maybe) |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-04-09 10:06 PM |
#74 |
 
We have fewer rights than chickens in California. |
yardwork |
Jan-04-09 10:11 PM |
#78 |
  
They're debating chickens & bees in Cleveland! Ole!~ |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-04-09 10:15 PM |
#80 |
 
You can't make this up. No wonder half of DU thinks we're whining about nothing. |
yardwork |
Jan-04-09 10:17 PM |
#81 |
 
Yes! But being only 3/5ths human and unable to direct a POA or "contract "my estate to heirs |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-04-09 10:21 PM |
#84 |
 
I am so sorry these choices are being made. |
madfloridian |
Jan-04-09 10:26 PM |
#86 |
  
This is an extremely conservative choice- operative word: choice |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-04-09 10:32 PM |
#90 |
  
Thank you, madfloridian |
Bluebear |
Jan-04-09 11:09 PM |
#99 |
  
You are one of my favorite DUers, madfloridian. I love your posts and threads! |
yardwork |
Jan-04-09 11:36 PM |
#102 |
 
Well, this is getting to be a sad situation. |
madfloridian |
Jan-05-09 01:01 AM |
#114 |
 
That is exactly what I have been trying to point out. |
Jamastiene |
Jan-05-09 06:38 AM |
#171 |
 
Thank you so much |
LostinVA |
Jan-05-09 09:04 AM |
#183 |
 
One silver lining - it leaves Dean open to run in '12 |
martymar64 |
Jan-05-09 05:44 PM |
#289 |
 
Virginia Bill of Rights that denies to same-sex and unmarried couples any legal status ... |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-04-09 10:27 PM |
#88 |
 
Gays can't contract in VA |
LostinVA |
Jan-05-09 09:03 AM |
#182 |

Welcome back to irrelevance, Democrats!!! |
dpbrown |
Jan-04-09 10:40 PM |
#92 |

Kaine represents VA a very red state that is gradually turning blue. |
DCBob |
Jan-04-09 10:59 PM |
#95 |
 
Yup. I just said, the New Southern strategy. Unite over wedge issues |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-04-09 11:04 PM |
#97 |
 
Yes, my first sentence was that being from VA he had to believe that way. |
madfloridian |
Jan-04-09 11:07 PM |
#98 |
  
My thought too, the party ought to stand for somethings consistently |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-04-09 11:11 PM |
#100 |
 
Respectfully disagree |
autorank |
Jan-05-09 01:04 AM |
#115 |
  
Thanks, that explains Kaine and Va. but why was he picked for party chair? |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-05-09 02:02 AM |
#123 |
 
To me that's the best explanation |
autorank |
Jan-05-09 02:45 AM |
#138 |
 
Not, Virginia isn't a very red state |
LostinVA |
Jan-05-09 09:57 AM |
#196 |
 
Not if he can help it, apparently |
dpbrown |
Jan-05-09 03:00 PM |
#278 |
 
The US is not Virginia, and thank Yog-Sothoth for that. |
martymar64 |
Jan-05-09 05:49 PM |
#290 |

The party calculates a Left-ward drift in the general populace and opts for the brakes. |
patrice |
Jan-04-09 11:46 PM |
#103 |

And the Democratic Party is more than just a party about social issues. |
PeterU |
Jan-04-09 11:57 PM |
#105 |

It's pretty easy to see which way the winds are blowing with this party. |
Mojambo |
Jan-05-09 12:08 AM |
#106 |
 
We're seeing a capitulation to the right on every issue - across the board. |
yardwork |
Jan-05-09 01:06 AM |
#116 |

All political issues are social issues. |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-05-09 01:44 AM |
#119 |

right-to-work-law=child labor |
KakistocracyHater |
Jan-05-09 12:26 AM |
#110 |
 
Obviously this was handled poorly. |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-05-09 01:48 AM |
#120 |

yuck...a right wing democrat.... |
madrchsod |
Jan-05-09 01:49 AM |
#121 |

The thing that people seem to overlook here: Kaine will help pick our candidates |
rockymountaindem |
Jan-05-09 01:58 AM |
#122 |

Kaine is going to be a figurehead part-time DNC Chair |
Hippo_Tron |
Jan-05-09 02:12 AM |
#124 |

Now isn't Obama the defacto head of the party as he is the President? |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 02:22 AM |
#126 |
 
Yes, it is totally Obama's party now. |
madfloridian |
Jan-05-09 02:29 AM |
#129 |
  
Then how is Kaine a factor other than for the aforementioned red state fundraising? |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 02:30 AM |
#130 |
 
It shows a mindset. |
madfloridian |
Jan-05-09 02:38 AM |
#134 |
 
Or it shows a strategy to gouge out the remnants of the Rethug party. |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 02:40 AM |
#136 |
 
You'll have to explain that one to me. |
madfloridian |
Jan-05-09 02:44 AM |
#137 |
 
It hurts rethugs to pull them away from their party... |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 02:51 AM |
#140 |
 
Who will stand up for the Democrats? |
madfloridian |
Jan-05-09 12:12 PM |
#235 |
  
We ARE the Democrats. |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 10:52 PM |
#322 |
 
turn off the TV |
Two Americas |
Jan-05-09 02:10 PM |
#270 |
 
Football playoffs? |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 10:53 PM |
#323 |
 
what does that mean? |
Two Americas |
Jan-05-09 02:30 AM |
#131 |

Does the sitting president not historically decide the direction that the party is going in? |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 02:32 AM |
#132 |

Reagan |
Two Americas |
Jan-05-09 02:38 AM |
#133 |
 
Oh for heaven's sake... |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 02:46 AM |
#139 |

right |
Two Americas |
Jan-05-09 03:19 AM |
#147 |

Because he has also taken people like... |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 03:47 AM |
#156 |

Yes, Obama just decided with his choices |
madfloridian |
Jan-05-09 02:39 AM |
#135 |

Yes, as he said countless times before the election... |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 02:52 AM |
#141 |

The fundies want to alienate me. In fact, many would rather see me dead. |
Bluebear |
Jan-05-09 02:54 AM |
#142 |
 
And alienate me as well. |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 03:06 AM |
#143 |

WTF? |
Two Americas |
Jan-05-09 03:25 AM |
#149 |
 
A misquote by omission... |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 03:34 AM |
#152 |

that doesn't change anything |
Two Americas |
Jan-05-09 03:42 AM |
#155 |
 
If you think we have the numbers but not the will to persue OUR OWN RIGHTS |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 03:58 AM |
#158 |

'Then tell me why the American people haven't elected people who will affect change?' |
Bluebear |
Jan-05-09 04:00 AM |
#159 |
 
If the change that America wanted was the change that the GLBTQ community wanted... |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 04:16 AM |
#161 |

more ridiculous claims |
Two Americas |
Jan-05-09 09:18 PM |
#310 |

that is the voice of fear and ignorance |
Two Americas |
Jan-05-09 04:44 AM |
#164 |

To speak of fear is not to speak in fear. |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 05:05 AM |
#165 |

turn off the damned TV |
Two Americas |
Jan-05-09 02:28 PM |
#273 |

I said we're not demanded our rights and expecting them to be dropped off on our doorsteps... |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 10:42 PM |
#318 |

I guess I am not alone |
Two Americas |
Jan-05-09 11:49 PM |
#324 |

Now you're exaggerating. I believe it was the same two or three people chasing me between threads. |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-06-09 12:01 AM |
#325 |

No it doesn't. |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-05-09 10:31 AM |
#203 |

Solely because you don't, won't, or cannot understand what I'm saying. |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 10:31 PM |
#316 |

'what we must do is prove ourselves respectable members of society' - WOW |
Bluebear |
Jan-05-09 03:33 AM |
#151 |
 
See... taken out of context... anything can sound bigoted. |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 03:35 AM |
#153 |

Earth to nothingtoofear. |
Jamastiene |
Jan-05-09 10:15 AM |
#200 |
 
Have a nice night. |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 10:30 PM |
#314 |

You are delusional and you seem to be suffering from gay Stockholm Syndrome. |
Harvey Korman |
Jan-05-09 10:30 AM |
#202 |

Clearly you don't understand me. |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 10:30 PM |
#315 |

But alienating women and the GBTL community is just fine? |
saracat |
Jan-05-09 03:17 AM |
#146 |
 
That's not going to happen. |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 03:27 AM |
#150 |

I gather you are neither gay or female? Neverthe less, if viewpoints like this |
saracat |
Jan-05-09 03:44 PM |
#279 |

There's a saying about those who assume. |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 10:33 PM |
#317 |

what?? |
Two Americas |
Jan-05-09 03:22 AM |
#148 |
 
So you're telling me that if the economic crisis ened tomorrow... |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 03:38 AM |
#154 |

there is not any "cycle" |
Two Americas |
Jan-05-09 03:47 AM |
#157 |

Do you not hate those who don't want you to have equality? |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 04:11 AM |
#160 |

listen... |
Two Americas |
Jan-05-09 04:32 AM |
#162 |
 
What you describe... |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 04:43 AM |
#163 |

"Do you not hate those who don't want you to have equality?" |
LostinVA |
Jan-05-09 07:26 AM |
#175 |

Clearly we have lost civil discourse. |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 10:43 PM |
#319 |

Very true. It is shameful how fundamentalist Christians have been silenced in this country, |
QC |
Jan-05-09 08:19 AM |
#178 |
 
And not given any political power or Presidential access |
LostinVA |
Jan-05-09 09:06 AM |
#184 |
  
It's an outrage, I tells ya! An outrage! n/t |
QC |
Jan-05-09 10:26 AM |
#201 |
 
I think you should reread my statement. |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 10:48 PM |
#321 |

Oh, by all means, let's not alienate the fundamentalists. |
donco6 |
Jan-05-09 06:53 PM |
#299 |

An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind. |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-05-09 10:44 PM |
#320 |

If I were interested in an eye, that would be appropriate. |
donco6 |
Jan-06-09 08:58 AM |
#331 |

Exactly, |
nothingtoofear |
Jan-06-09 08:54 PM |
#332 |

sounds like a real piece of shit |
FarceOfNature |
Jan-05-09 02:27 AM |
#128 |

Obama's table... |
Baby Snooks |
Jan-05-09 05:40 AM |
#166 |
 
Virginia voters elected him |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-05-09 10:39 AM |
#206 |

Message to women's and gay groups: |
jumptheshadow |
Jan-05-09 07:13 AM |
#172 |
 
Money |
Joey Dog |
Jan-05-09 09:44 AM |
#191 |
 
Step further for me |
Bluenorthwest |
Jan-05-09 10:45 AM |
#210 |
 
I'm done. |
donco6 |
Jan-05-09 06:54 PM |
#300 |

He must? I didn't know that was a citizenship requirement of Virginia. |
mmonk |
Jan-05-09 08:27 AM |
#179 |

We need to establish "The Progressive Party" and then vote such folks into office |
mrone2 |
Jan-05-09 09:39 AM |
#187 |
 
We have the Green Party -- we just need to have it be more useful |
LostinVA |
Jan-05-09 09:59 AM |
#197 |
 
please |
wyldwolf |
Jan-05-09 09:59 AM |
#198 |

On the issue of gay rights, there is a negative pattern developing |
Politicub |
Jan-05-09 10:06 AM |
#199 |
 
You may have a very good point. |
HypnoToad |
Jan-14-09 01:47 PM |
#343 |

On the anto-gay amendment... |
S_E_Fudd |
Jan-05-09 10:31 AM |
#204 |
 
He didn't oppose it because of the anti-gay issues, but because of STRAIGHT COUPLES |
LostinVA |
Jan-05-09 10:36 AM |
#205 |
  
That is not wholly accurate... |
S_E_Fudd |
Jan-05-09 11:01 AM |
#215 |
 
No, he doesn't believe in equal civil rights, and I AM accurate about his opposition |
LostinVA |
Jan-05-09 11:37 AM |
#220 |
  
You apparently ignored my response... |
S_E_Fudd |
Jan-05-09 12:12 PM |
#233 |
 
"contractual rights granted to hetero couples" are just legal rights! |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-05-09 12:01 PM |
#230 |
 
The Nazi card... |
S_E_Fudd |
Jan-05-09 12:15 PM |
#237 |
 
Restrictive laws against any minority group. |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-05-09 12:32 PM |
#242 |
 
Well, he was wrong from the get-go, wasn't he? |
donco6 |
Jan-05-09 06:56 PM |
#301 |

Doctor Dean should consider starting another party. |
Usrename |
Jan-05-09 10:42 AM |
#207 |

There are pro-life democrats |
mrgorth |
Jan-05-09 10:44 AM |
#208 |
 
But the P:arty Platform is prochoice |
LostinVA |
Jan-05-09 10:51 AM |
#211 |
  
I'm not the one |
mrgorth |
Jan-05-09 11:25 AM |
#217 |
 
Why should the Party have a Party Chairman who doesn't believe in the platform? |
LostinVA |
Jan-05-09 11:35 AM |
#219 |
 
He will shape the platform. |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-05-09 12:02 PM |
#231 |
 
And that is fine. |
bigwillq |
Jan-05-09 07:17 PM |
#305 |

I would prefer that he had run as a republican, which is, in |
ooglymoogly |
Jan-05-09 10:44 AM |
#209 |

Schumer would have been a much better pick. |
EconomicLiberal |
Jan-05-09 10:53 AM |
#212 |

The Republicans didn't lose in 2008...they just changed... |
keepCAblue |
Jan-05-09 10:56 AM |
#214 |
 
We are catering to RepubliCrats. |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-05-09 12:12 PM |
#234 |
 
Amen |
debbierlus |
Jan-05-09 12:42 PM |
#248 |

Are we sure he is a democrat? |
Irishonly |
Jan-05-09 11:19 AM |
#216 |
 
Well, he could have been our VP. I am glad we got Joe instead. |
Jennicut |
Jan-05-09 11:37 AM |
#221 |
 
Positive |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jan-08-09 07:15 PM |
#334 |

The Center is THE right - and it looks as if the whole Obama administration & Democratic Leaders |
debbierlus |
Jan-05-09 11:59 AM |
#228 |

The Dem message now: I got mine screw you. |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-05-09 12:14 PM |
#236 |

dems are powerful..power corrupts. anyone ready for a third party...yet? |
proud progressive |
Jan-05-09 12:21 PM |
#238 |

This is disappointing |
BreatheOnMe |
Jan-05-09 12:22 PM |
#239 |
 
'god, baby', in answer to your pondering |
proud progressive |
Jan-05-09 02:11 PM |
#271 |

Big Tent |
iandhr |
Jan-05-09 12:24 PM |
#240 |
 
Oh, dear God, please stop with the big tent stuff after Rick Warren's choice.. |
madfloridian |
Jan-05-09 12:27 PM |
#241 |
  
I do not like to Warren thing either. |
iandhr |
Jan-05-09 12:34 PM |
#243 |
 
If we have to become "blue" by giving up rights of two groups... |
madfloridian |
Jan-05-09 12:36 PM |
#247 |
  
Obama's sets policy |
iandhr |
Jan-05-09 12:49 PM |
#251 |
 
Then why pick a party leader who doesn't agree with the platform? |
donco6 |
Jan-05-09 06:59 PM |
#302 |
 
Rev. Lowery does NOT support marriage equality |
LostinVA |
Jan-05-09 12:53 PM |
#252 |
  
I thought he did |
iandhr |
Jan-05-09 01:10 PM |
#258 |
 
No, he does NOT support marriage equality |
LostinVA |
Jan-05-09 01:21 PM |
#263 |
 
The guy giving the benediction does NOT support gay marriage. |
hulklogan |
Jan-05-09 07:21 PM |
#306 |
 
Except Kaine isn't a liberal, and Webb and Warner aren't, either |
LostinVA |
Jan-05-09 12:35 PM |
#245 |
  
I never said that... |
iandhr |
Jan-05-09 12:44 PM |
#250 |
 
No, you DID say that |
LostinVA |
Jan-05-09 01:25 PM |
#266 |
 
Bah |
kenfrequed |
Jan-05-09 05:57 PM |
#292 |

Some of us still do give a shit. |
Hell Hath No Fury |
Jan-05-09 12:35 PM |
#244 |

He's No Gov. Dean....... |
RedstDem |
Jan-05-09 12:44 PM |
#249 |

I see Govenor Kaine is the |
brianna69 |
Jan-05-09 01:01 PM |
#253 |

Kaine Opposes Same-sex Marriage and Civil Unions |
From The Left |
Jan-05-09 01:01 PM |
#254 |
 
So Govenor Kaine is now an enemy |
brianna69 |
Jan-05-09 01:04 PM |
#255 |
  
Stop calling names. It's time to stop it. |
madfloridian |
Jan-05-09 01:07 PM |
#256 |
   
No group has been put on notice |
brianna69 |
Jan-05-09 01:13 PM |
#259 |
  
Obviously you got yours- so everyone else STFU?? |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-05-09 01:17 PM |
#261 |
   
Bitch away. |
brianna69 |
Jan-05-09 01:20 PM |
#262 |
  
When did concern over family rights become "narcissism" in the Dem. party? |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-05-09 01:24 PM |
#265 |
  
You are very contemptuous of rights for some Democrats |
madfloridian |
Jan-05-09 02:03 PM |
#269 |
  
Ugh, terribly rude. n/t |
donco6 |
Jan-05-09 07:01 PM |
#303 |
  
That's a really bad answer to a very serious issue. Blame the ones being shoved aside. |
madfloridian |
Jan-05-09 01:21 PM |
#264 |
  
"Act" like we're being persecuted? |
donco6 |
Jan-05-09 06:28 PM |
#293 |
  
When did concern over civil rights become "narcissism" in the Dem. party? |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-05-09 01:15 PM |
#260 |
 
Using the worst of right wing fundy language such as "narcissism" as code for gays. |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-05-09 01:43 PM |
#268 |
 
Bingo. Their responses are from the right-wing playbook. |
jumptheshadow |
Jan-06-09 07:46 AM |
#328 |
 
People cannot even contract health care durable power of attorney if they are gay, in Va. |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-05-09 01:07 PM |
#257 |

Oh goody the bus just backed up ... |
ronnykmarshall |
Jan-05-09 02:13 PM |
#272 |

One Term |
nvme |
Jan-05-09 02:36 PM |
#274 |
 
People need to be very careful when they embrace right wing ideology. |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-05-09 02:56 PM |
#277 |

Good statement. When you dismiss two groups right off...you know more will follow. |
madfloridian |
Jan-05-09 05:02 PM |
#281 |

It's creeping conservatism, someday the entire package will arrive. |
bluedawg12 |
Jan-05-09 05:11 PM |
#283 |

How exciting!!! |
tnlefty |
Jan-05-09 05:02 PM |
#282 |

As the party in power, Kaine will be the fundraiser-in-chief til the midterm elections. |
AtomicKitten |
Jan-05-09 05:29 PM |
#287 |

What rock? |
lawdem_atlanta |
Jan-05-09 08:34 PM |
#307 |
 
What frigging rock did YOU crawl out from under? Kaine is Al-Qaeda!!!?? |
wyldwolf |
Jan-05-09 09:20 PM |
#311 |

Wasn't 2008 election about getting rid of religous fanatics . . . ???? |
defendandprotect |
Jan-07-09 12:39 AM |
#333 |

Kaine and Obama are very close friends, they say... |
polichick |
Jan-08-09 07:54 PM |
#335 |

Kick. |
madfloridian |
Jan-09-09 11:52 PM |
#336 |

More on the dangers of denying equal rights bit by bit. |
madfloridian |
Jan-12-09 12:35 PM |
#337 |

Well |
HypnoToad |
Jan-14-09 01:39 PM |
#342 |
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Governor, activists decry gay union ban for different reasons JOSHUA LYNSEN Thursday, April 13, 2006 Gov. Tim Kaine is urging Virginians to vote against a proposed constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage because he fears it could have unintended consequences. Kaine, a Democrat, issued a statement this week publicly opposing the amendment that goes to voters Nov. 7. In the statement, Kaine said he believes "marriage is between one man and one woman" and that condition is clear under current state law. "But I am concerned that the broad wording of the proposed constitutional amendment goes much further than that, threatening the constitutional rights of individuals to enter into private contracts, and also threatening the discretion of employers to extend certain benefits, such as health care coverage, to unmarried couples," he said. "For those reasons, I will vote against the marriage amendment in November, and I urge other Virginians to vote against it as well." link Even if you oppose gay marriage, Virginia's ban would go too far. Sunday, September 17, 2006; Page B06 SINCE 1998, 20 states have adopted constitutional amendments banning gay marriage. But not all of them have been drafted so expansively, and so carelessly, as the measure that will appear on Virginia's ballot in November, which would recognize no "union, partnership or other legal status to which is assigned the rights, benefits, obligations, qualities or effects of marriage." The amendment is muddle-headed and absurdly broad, duplicates what is already in state law and carries the germ of a thousand unintended consequences. Virginia voters should reject it. Gov. Timothy M. Kaine (D) opposes gay marriage, but he shares with its defenders the concern that the wording of Virginia's amendment could imperil the rights of individuals to enter into private contracts or employers to extend benefits such as health care coverage to unmarried couples. Plenty of the state's most prominent employers might face a more vexing recruiting environment if the amendment is approved. moreIt doesn't make him a hero, but at least let's put all the facts on the table. Glad he isn't VP.
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