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Tim Kaine on abortion, stem cells, same-sex marriage, civil unions, and labor issues.

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Tim Kaine on abortion, stem cells, same-sex marriage, civil unions, and labor issues. Updated at 3:49 PM
Yes, I know he is from VA and must believe that way.

Kaine on the Issues. Abortion

"Promote abstinence; ban partial-birth abortion
I will reduce abortion in Virginia by enforcing current Virginia restrictions, passing an enforceable ban on partial-birth abortion, ensuring women’s access to health care (including legal contraception), and promoting abstinence-focused education and adoption. We should reduce abortion in this manner, rather than by criminalizing women and doctors.
Source: Campaign website www.kaine2005.org, “Issues” Nov 8, 2005

I have a faith-based opposition to abortion
I have a faith-based opposition to abortion. As governor, I will work in good faith to reduce abortions by:

1. Enforcing the current Virginia restrictions on abortion and passing an enforceable ban on partial birth abortion that protects the life and health of the mother;
2. Fighting teen pregnancy through abstinence-focused education;
3. Ensuring women’s access to health care (including legal contraception) and economic opportunity; and
4. Promoting adoption as an alternative for women facing unwanted pregnancies.


Too often politicians are interested in scoring political points, rather than in reducing the number of abortions. Many of the legislative proposals introduced in the General Assembly, like the ones to require unnecessary building standards for doctor’s offices that perform abortions, are just political grandstanding. They encourage division and lawsuits rather than contributing to the goal of reducing abortions.
Source: Campaign website www.kaine2005.org, “Issues” Nov 8, 2005"


Kaine on stem cell research

WASHINGTON - While Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine said he supports the $500,000 allocation in the budget bill lawmakers approved last month to fund adult stem cell research in Virginia, he does not want to see taxpayer money used for embryonic stem cell research.

“I don’t think we should be publicly funding it in Virginia,” Kaine, who is Catholic, said Tuesday during his monthly appearance on WTOP radio. “You will not see me proposing that. I think there are huge advances that can be made in adult stem cell research. I think that’s the way to go.”


Kaine on the same-sex marriage and civil unions

The state also saw the swearing-in today in of a new governor, Democrat Tim Kaine, who opposes both same-sex marriage and civil unions. He has promised to sign the measure that places the amendment on the ballot after the Senate passes the proposal once more. Even more depressing is that measures that would have limited the scope of the amendment's discrimination were deep-sixed. (WashBlade):

Kaine spokeswoman Delacey Skinner said that the governor-elect will sign the bill to call for a referendum. Kaine supports the amendment and opposes civil unions, she said. She added that he is interested in discussing measures “to make sure people can still be able to contract with each other.”

However, efforts to limit the scope of the vaguely worded amendment were defeated. Del. Kristen J. Amundson’s (D-District 44) amendment, which received only 35 votes, would have eliminated all language except for: “Only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this Commonwealth and its political subdivisions.”

Del. Vivian Watts’ (D-District 39) amendment was also rejected by a vote of 36 to 60. She proposed including a clarification that the amendment would not change “any other right, benefit, obligation or legal status pertaining to persons not married.”


Kaine on labor issues and right to work issues.

Kaine:"I am saddened that the House leadership has chosen the Washington style path of partisanship by rejecting a good and capable man...The Secretary of the Commonwealth has no - I repeat, no - role in the enforcement of Virginia's right-to-work law, a law I strongly support."

I added the emphasis. I could see a guy making a statement--though I still think it would be a sad comment--that he would enforce the laws of Virginia, which includes right-to-work. But to say publicly he STRONGLY SUPPORTS anti-union laws is unacceptable.

.."Supporting Right to Work laws which make it impossible to organize a union is one of them. It's just not ok for workers to have no opportunity to stand up for themselves against abusive labor practices


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   I can already feel the change!  Bluebear   Jan-04-09 08:27 PM   #1 
   Change we can make believe in!  Dr.Phool   Jan-04-09 11:49 PM   #104 
   Change we are expected to 'make believe' in. nt  ooglymoogly   Jan-05-09 09:57 AM   #195 
   That's golden. Let's keep that one handy. nt  rudy23   Jan-05-09 11:59 AM   #229 
   It's washing all over me!  donco6   Jan-05-09 06:30 PM   #294 
   Change: not having ideological purity tests for party leaders  Freddie Stubbs   Jan-12-09 07:36 PM   #338 
      It would be nice if the chair of the Democratic party was actually a Democratic  dflprincess   Jan-12-09 08:23 PM   #339 
         It would be nice if some Democrats were not so narrow-minded as to their definition of  Freddie Stubbs   Jan-14-09 11:56 AM   #340 
            Some issues are not negotiable  dflprincess   Jan-14-09 01:24 PM   #341 
               How will him being DNC Chairman affect those issues?  Freddie Stubbs   Jan-16-09 09:59 AM   #344 
   good thing the DNC chair doesn't set policy, huh?  wyldwolf   Jan-04-09 08:28 PM   #2 
   Yeh, yeh, what a relief.  madfloridian   Jan-04-09 08:31 PM   #4 
   that the DNC chair doesn't set policy means plenty  wyldwolf   Jan-04-09 08:32 PM   #6 
      Yes, how lucky our last one couldn't set policy.  madfloridian   Jan-04-09 08:34 PM   #10 
         yes, actually  wyldwolf   Jan-04-09 08:41 PM   #20 
   People!! Calm down!! Its ONLY a TWO MINUTE PRAYER!!!!1!!1!!  sheeptramp   Jan-04-09 08:33 PM   #9 
      Same thing I thought. How long is that argument going to last?  donco6   Jan-05-09 06:31 PM   #295 
   Anything good going on with this guy? n/t  firedupdem   Jan-04-09 08:29 PM   #3 
   He knows how to win election in areas where Republicans usually dominate  Freddie Stubbs   Jan-04-09 08:32 PM   #8 
   well that's good! Jeez... n/t  firedupdem   Jan-04-09 08:34 PM   #11 
   By becoming a Republican in all but name! We don't need that kind of win.  yardwork   Jan-04-09 08:37 PM   #17 
   He is not a DINO  VADem11   Jan-04-09 08:49 PM   #27 
   You would have preferred Jerry Kilgore as VA's Governor?  Freddie Stubbs   Jan-05-09 09:41 AM   #189 
   Fuck that, I live in VA and we definitely DID need that kind of win.  11 Bravo   Jan-05-09 09:49 AM   #194 
      What's the difference with Tim Kaine?  DutchLiberal   Jan-05-09 07:11 PM   #304 
   He won. He no longer  femrap   Jan-05-09 12:04 PM   #232 
   By running republicans, right? -nt-  DireStrike   Jan-05-09 02:55 PM   #276 
   He's anti death penalty  LostinVA   Jan-04-09 08:54 PM   #33 
   It's a start.  yardwork   Jan-04-09 09:05 PM   #38 
   No, it's not a start -- it just shows he's not a hypocrite  LostinVA   Jan-04-09 09:12 PM   #44 
      It's a false start. So far, hope and change is not off to a good start at all.  yardwork   Jan-04-09 09:15 PM   #45 
         My heart sank when I came on here this evening and saw Kaine was chosen  LostinVA   Jan-04-09 09:20 PM   #49 
         Well, it is change - a big change from Howard Dean  dflprincess   Jan-04-09 09:21 PM   #51 
         Maybe they'll be huge gains for the Democrats as all the Republicans become Dems.  yardwork   Jan-04-09 09:27 PM   #58 
            Good point  dflprincess   Jan-04-09 09:54 PM   #69 
            Yeah and half of DU would be thrilled with that  Generator   Jan-05-09 08:53 PM   #308 
         I HOPE this horrible downward spiral into becoming the Republican Party  Jamastiene   Jan-05-09 06:24 AM   #168 
   Oh goody  MountainLaurel   Jan-05-09 11:35 AM   #218 
      But yet he's signed off on eight executions  LostinVA   Jan-05-09 11:38 AM   #222 
         I guess God told him they deserved it n/t  MountainLaurel   Jan-05-09 11:39 AM   #224 
         Seriously  LostinVA   Jan-05-09 11:39 AM   #225 
            Why be serious when the government plays political jokes with the general publics lives?  nolabels   Jan-05-09 12:36 PM   #246 
         Not much spine there  kenfrequed   Jan-05-09 05:50 PM   #291 
   He's been a horrible governor as far as environment and health care in very deep Red SWVA.  quidam56   Jan-05-09 12:44 AM   #113 
   Kaine  byeya   Jan-05-09 07:29 AM   #176 
      Exactly -- who was I going to vote for, that Nazi KIlgore???  LostinVA   Jan-05-09 11:38 AM   #223 
   I'm sure that President-elect Obama was unaware of Kaine's policy positions when he chose him  Freddie Stubbs   Jan-04-09 08:32 PM   #5 
   DIANNE FEINSTEIN PICKED HIM!!!1!!!11!  QC   Jan-04-09 09:54 PM   #70 
   Oh, well that's all right then. Not.  yardwork   Jan-04-09 10:05 PM   #72 
   Too kewl! We were getting way too far left, by golly.  bluedawg12   Jan-04-09 10:18 PM   #83 
   Whaaaaaaaaat!  BecauseBushSaysSo   Jan-05-09 01:11 AM   #117 
      whoosh  LostinVA   Jan-05-09 07:21 AM   #173 
   Uh, yeah, right  NWHarkness   Jan-04-09 10:17 PM   #82 
   Perhaps they thought it was a different Tim Kaine  Freddie Stubbs   Jan-05-09 09:40 AM   #188 
   Are you serious, or just fooling around? n/t  donco6   Jan-05-09 06:34 PM   #296 
   snap!  pecwae   Jan-06-09 08:51 AM   #330 
   There's a name for people who hold those political positions: "Republican"  Tesha   Jan-04-09 08:32 PM   #7 
   I agree.  shayes51   Jan-06-09 08:40 AM   #329 
   Damn.  Autumn   Jan-04-09 08:34 PM   #12 
   Don't overreact, Tim Kaine will only be singing ONE SONG. nt  Bluebear   Jan-04-09 08:35 PM   #13 
   Howard Dean, I miss you already.  yardwork   Jan-04-09 08:36 PM   #14 
   And we could have had Kaine as VP!  hulklogan   Jan-04-09 08:36 PM   #15 
   He believes that way because he's a serious Catholic, NOT because he's in VA. nt  MookieWilson   Jan-04-09 08:37 PM   #16 
   But because he's in VA it was the way to win.  madfloridian   Jan-04-09 08:38 PM   #18 
   Obama won here.  spooky3   Jan-05-09 09:06 AM   #185 
   So far he has not allowed his religious views to interfere  Thothmes   Jan-04-09 08:51 PM   #31 
      Oh, now that is encouraging. He hasn't allowed a single gay marriage  MasonJar   Jan-04-09 09:10 PM   #43 
      well, there goes that anti-death penalty bit of encouragement. nt  JoeIsOneOfUs   Jan-04-09 10:34 PM   #91 
      I didn't say it wasn't a HOLLOW bit of encouragement  LostinVA   Jan-05-09 07:22 AM   #174 
      Not a single gay marriage....  theHandpuppet   Jan-06-09 12:15 AM   #326 
      LOL! Do you have a bridge to sell me too?  yardwork   Jan-04-09 09:22 PM   #52 
      The Republicans didn't lose in 2008...they just changed...  keepCAblue   Jan-05-09 10:54 AM   #213 
      And that is the greatest indictment  kenfrequed   Jan-05-09 05:15 PM   #284 
   Kaine ultimately spoke out against the VA ban on gay marriage  ProSense   Jan-04-09 08:40 PM   #19 
   That's good news that he backtracked.  madfloridian   Jan-04-09 08:43 PM   #22 
   Yes he did  VADem11   Jan-04-09 08:43 PM   #23 
   He won't be raising money from me.  Bluebear   Jan-04-09 08:45 PM   #26 
   He didn't oppose the amendment because it would harm LGBT Americans  hulklogan   Jan-04-09 09:08 PM   #41 
   He opposed it only because it'd hurt unmarried heterosexual couples  JohnnieGordon   Jan-04-09 10:05 PM   #73 
      Damn it  BecauseBushSaysSo   Jan-05-09 01:39 AM   #118 
      Or Britney Spears' 55 hours marriage.  Jamastiene   Jan-05-09 06:27 AM   #169 
      Exactly  madfloridian   Jan-16-09 06:11 PM   #345 
   Obama realizes that winning red states is the key to his reelection  Freddie Stubbs   Jan-04-09 08:42 PM   #21 
   Yes, because Obama couldn't find a way to win this year.  Bluebear   Jan-04-09 08:44 PM   #24 
   the difference was red states  wyldwolf   Jan-04-09 09:09 PM   #42 
   Too bad Obama couldn't win them. Wait.  yardwork   Jan-04-09 09:21 PM   #50 
   lol. There is no one serious on the left to challenge him  wyldwolf   Jan-04-09 09:23 PM   #53 
      I guess that's what he's betting. That doesn't make him admirable. It makes him a pol.  yardwork   Jan-04-09 09:24 PM   #55 
      It's a safe bet  wyldwolf   Jan-04-09 09:27 PM   #59 
      I thought Clinton was much liberal on social issues. nt  terisan   Jan-04-09 09:34 PM   #64 
         not much more, and a challenge from her (not probable) wouldn't be from the left  wyldwolf   Jan-04-09 09:43 PM   #67 
         I don't think she would be inviting Rick Warren to speak at the ceremony.  terisan   Jan-04-09 09:53 PM   # 
         probably not but then again she would have done something to hurt someone's feelings  wyldwolf   Jan-04-09 10:04 PM   #71 
         I don't think she would be inviting Rick Warren to speak at the ceremony.  terisan   Jan-04-09 09:53 PM   #68 
            really?  druidity33   Jan-05-09 07:47 AM   #177 
            Along with moderate/mainstream Christians, Jews, damned near everything  Dinkeldog   Jan-05-09 01:29 PM   #267 
         I don't consider either Clinton to be progressive or "left."  yardwork   Jan-04-09 10:07 PM   #75 
   the difference was the public  Two Americas   Jan-04-09 10:27 PM   #87 
      and the ones in the red states that did that was significant enough.  wyldwolf   Jan-04-09 10:54 PM   #94 
         no  Two Americas   Jan-04-09 11:11 PM   #101 
            yes  wyldwolf   Jan-05-09 05:50 AM   #167 
            Arguing?  kenfrequed   Jan-05-09 05:23 PM   #285 
            I didn't  Two Americas   Jan-05-09 09:03 PM   #309 
            I wish I could K&R this post.  Jamastiene   Jan-05-09 06:30 AM   #170 
   He won running as a moderate and winning a few red states  Freddie Stubbs   Jan-05-09 09:46 AM   #192 
      Feh  kenfrequed   Jan-05-09 05:28 PM   #286 
      Funny that you should bring up health care:  Freddie Stubbs   Jan-05-09 10:23 PM   #313 
         Alright...  kenfrequed   Jan-06-09 07:08 AM   #327 
      that is the story line, yes  Two Americas   Jan-05-09 09:22 PM   #312 
   Focus on the presidential  NWHarkness   Jan-04-09 10:22 PM   #85 
   Thank you, thank you. This is very true!  saracat   Jan-05-09 03:12 AM   #144 
   What exactly did we win if no one represents our rights?  saracat   Jan-05-09 03:16 AM   #145 
   We won a moderate Democratic President who shuns partisanship and extreme ideology  Freddie Stubbs   Jan-05-09 09:48 AM   #193 
      Human Rights is extreme ideology? And exactly how is currying favor with  saracat   Jan-05-09 02:54 PM   #275 
      It's partisan to support the platform?  donco6   Jan-05-09 06:45 PM   #298 
   Hell, *I* know how to win red states, too.  donco6   Jan-05-09 06:41 PM   #297 
   I'll take a very rare opportunity to agree with wyldwolf on this one.  JeffR   Jan-04-09 08:45 PM   #25 
   Kaine does have a high bar set  zidzi   Jan-04-09 08:50 PM   #29 
   I really don't care who is chair. I care that he thinks women and gays unworhy  madfloridian   Jan-04-09 08:51 PM   #30 
   If someone with his views is setting policy, of course I care,  JeffR   Jan-04-09 09:07 PM   #39 
      His job is to raise money - of course that will influence policy.  yardwork   Jan-04-09 09:17 PM   #46 
      Yes. The leadership of the Dem Party has made a conscious decision to move to the right.  terisan   Jan-04-09 09:30 PM   #61 
      Wow, if only we had known 'change' meant to the Right. n/t  AntiFascist   Jan-04-09 09:38 PM   #66 
      I agree. That is the simplest and clearest explanation for what is happening.  yardwork   Jan-04-09 10:08 PM   #76 
         His membership in the UCC puzzles me  LostinVA   Jan-05-09 08:59 AM   #180 
      I won't quarrel with a fundraiser about fundraising.  JeffR   Jan-04-09 09:30 PM   #62 
      Yes. The leadership of the Dem Party has made a conscious decision to move to the right.  terisan   Jan-04-09 09:30 PM   #63 
         There will be no liberuhls in 2012, we'll be RepubloCrats! Yay!  bluedawg12   Jan-04-09 10:12 PM   #79 
         while the public moves to the Left  Two Americas   Jan-04-09 10:31 PM   #89 
            So true! n/t  terisan   Jan-04-09 10:49 PM   #93 
            It's the New Southern Strategy. Only social rather than racial issues  bluedawg12   Jan-04-09 11:02 PM   #96 
      Jeff....  Two Americas   Jan-05-09 02:26 AM   #127 
      I guess I am just surprised...  madfloridian   Jan-05-09 11:41 AM   #226 
      With all the people they're throwing under the bus . . .  martymar64   Jan-05-09 05:34 PM   #288 
      What kind of Democrats do you think he will be working to get elected?  TechBear_Seattle   Jan-05-09 04:41 PM   #280 
   Obama's all into the symbolism and the message (or so we were told with Warren)  dflprincess   Jan-04-09 09:26 PM   #57 
   The Warren thing was utterly boneheaded.  JeffR   Jan-04-09 09:35 PM   #65 
   DUPE .IT POSTED IN MULTIPLES. EOM..  flyarm   Jan-05-09 12:24 AM   #107 
   Nobody but me defines who I am as a "Democrat", thanks.  JeffR   Jan-05-09 12:35 AM   #112 
      It all comes down to the 1st amendment  dcsmart   Jan-05-09 09:41 AM   #190 
   DUPE..  flyarm   Jan-05-09 12:26 AM   #108 
   what are you talking about..this man doesn't need to make policy..  flyarm   Jan-05-09 12:26 AM   #109 
   what are you talking about..this man doesn't need to make policy..  flyarm   Jan-05-09 12:27 AM   #111 
   I'm with you, JeffR. Kaine was a good choice. I live in VA and have been happy with him as governor.  w4rma   Jan-05-09 11:50 AM   #227 
   So the difference between him and a repug is -- ??  katandmoon   Jan-04-09 08:50 PM   #28 
   The Death Penalty -- that's it  LostinVA   Jan-04-09 08:56 PM   #34 
      Which he hasn't stopped - he's let several executions go forward in VA.  yardwork   Jan-04-09 09:23 PM   #54 
         Yup, that's about right  LostinVA   Jan-05-09 09:27 AM   #186 
   THANK YOU -- I'm tired of people saying he isn't anti-choice or anti-GLBT  LostinVA   Jan-04-09 08:53 PM   #32 
   The Chairman of the Party is anti choice, anti GLBT, anti stem cell, etc.  LostinVA   Jan-04-09 08:57 PM   #35 
   Bring back that great democrat, Howard Dean. n/t  Peregrine Took   Jan-04-09 08:57 PM   #36 
   Dean - after all he's done for the party - is dismissed.  yardwork   Jan-04-09 09:25 PM   #56 
      I am, frankly, shocked by the treatment of Dean  LostinVA   Jan-05-09 09:02 AM   #181 
   And just why did Obama get rid of Mr 50 State and replace him with Kaine?  MasonJar   Jan-04-09 09:03 PM   #37 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Jan-04-09 09:08 PM   #40 
   It's only a two minute prayer  ruggerson   Jan-04-09 09:17 PM   #47 
   He's only going to sing one song. Oh wait.  yardwork   Jan-04-09 09:18 PM   #48 
      LOL, I know, my first thought: "So what's the new excuse of the week?" nt  ProgressIn2008   Jan-04-09 09:29 PM   #60 
      I'm a Log Cabin RepubloCrat now! Ole~!  bluedawg12   Jan-04-09 10:09 PM   #77 
      he is only going to run one political party  Two Americas   Jan-05-09 02:17 AM   #125 
   And gay's, being 3/5 human, can still contract! YIPPIEEE! (maybe)  bluedawg12   Jan-04-09 10:06 PM   #74 
   We have fewer rights than chickens in California.  yardwork   Jan-04-09 10:11 PM   #78 
   They're debating chickens & bees in Cleveland! Ole!~  bluedawg12   Jan-04-09 10:15 PM   #80 
      You can't make this up. No wonder half of DU thinks we're whining about nothing.  yardwork   Jan-04-09 10:17 PM   #81 
         Yes! But being only 3/5ths human and unable to direct a POA or "contract "my estate to heirs  bluedawg12   Jan-04-09 10:21 PM   #84 
            I am so sorry these choices are being made.  madfloridian   Jan-04-09 10:26 PM   #86 
            This is an extremely conservative choice- operative word: choice  bluedawg12   Jan-04-09 10:32 PM   #90 
            Thank you, madfloridian  Bluebear   Jan-04-09 11:09 PM   #99 
            You are one of my favorite DUers, madfloridian. I love your posts and threads!  yardwork   Jan-04-09 11:36 PM   #102 
               Well, this is getting to be a sad situation.  madfloridian   Jan-05-09 01:01 AM   #114 
                  That is exactly what I have been trying to point out.  Jamastiene   Jan-05-09 06:38 AM   #171 
                  Thank you so much  LostinVA   Jan-05-09 09:04 AM   #183 
                     One silver lining - it leaves Dean open to run in '12  martymar64   Jan-05-09 05:44 PM   #289 
            Virginia Bill of Rights that denies to same-sex and unmarried couples any legal status ...  bluedawg12   Jan-04-09 10:27 PM   #88 
   Gays can't contract in VA  LostinVA   Jan-05-09 09:03 AM   #182 
   Welcome back to irrelevance, Democrats!!!  dpbrown   Jan-04-09 10:40 PM   #92 
   Kaine represents VA a very red state that is gradually turning blue.  DCBob   Jan-04-09 10:59 PM   #95 
   Yup. I just said, the New Southern strategy. Unite over wedge issues  bluedawg12   Jan-04-09 11:04 PM   #97 
   Yes, my first sentence was that being from VA he had to believe that way.  madfloridian   Jan-04-09 11:07 PM   #98 
   My thought too, the party ought to stand for somethings consistently  bluedawg12   Jan-04-09 11:11 PM   #100 
   Respectfully disagree  autorank   Jan-05-09 01:04 AM   #115 
   Thanks, that explains Kaine and Va. but why was he picked for party chair?  bluedawg12   Jan-05-09 02:02 AM   #123 
      To me that's the best explanation  autorank   Jan-05-09 02:45 AM   #138 
   Not, Virginia isn't a very red state  LostinVA   Jan-05-09 09:57 AM   #196 
   Not if he can help it, apparently  dpbrown   Jan-05-09 03:00 PM   #278 
   The US is not Virginia, and thank Yog-Sothoth for that.  martymar64   Jan-05-09 05:49 PM   #290 
   The party calculates a Left-ward drift in the general populace and opts for the brakes.  patrice   Jan-04-09 11:46 PM   #103 
   And the Democratic Party is more than just a party about social issues.  PeterU   Jan-04-09 11:57 PM   #105 
   It's pretty easy to see which way the winds are blowing with this party.  Mojambo   Jan-05-09 12:08 AM   #106 
   We're seeing a capitulation to the right on every issue - across the board.  yardwork   Jan-05-09 01:06 AM   #116 
      All political issues are social issues.  bluedawg12   Jan-05-09 01:44 AM   #119 
   right-to-work-law=child labor  KakistocracyHater   Jan-05-09 12:26 AM   #110 
   Obviously this was handled poorly.  bluedawg12   Jan-05-09 01:48 AM   #120 
   yuck...a right wing democrat....  madrchsod   Jan-05-09 01:49 AM   #121 
   The thing that people seem to overlook here: Kaine will help pick our candidates  rockymountaindem   Jan-05-09 01:58 AM   #122 
   Kaine is going to be a figurehead part-time DNC Chair  Hippo_Tron   Jan-05-09 02:12 AM   #124 
   Now isn't Obama the defacto head of the party as he is the President?  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 02:22 AM   #126 
   Yes, it is totally Obama's party now.  madfloridian   Jan-05-09 02:29 AM   #129 
   Then how is Kaine a factor other than for the aforementioned red state fundraising?  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 02:30 AM   #130 
      It shows a mindset.  madfloridian   Jan-05-09 02:38 AM   #134 
         Or it shows a strategy to gouge out the remnants of the Rethug party.  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 02:40 AM   #136 
            You'll have to explain that one to me.  madfloridian   Jan-05-09 02:44 AM   #137 
               It hurts rethugs to pull them away from their party...  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 02:51 AM   #140 
                  Who will stand up for the Democrats?  madfloridian   Jan-05-09 12:12 PM   #235 
                  We ARE the Democrats.  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 10:52 PM   #322 
                  turn off the TV  Two Americas   Jan-05-09 02:10 PM   #270 
                     Football playoffs?  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 10:53 PM   #323 
   what does that mean?  Two Americas   Jan-05-09 02:30 AM   #131 
      Does the sitting president not historically decide the direction that the party is going in?  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 02:32 AM   #132 
         Reagan  Two Americas   Jan-05-09 02:38 AM   #133 
         Oh for heaven's sake...  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 02:46 AM   #139 
            right  Two Americas   Jan-05-09 03:19 AM   #147 
               Because he has also taken people like...  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 03:47 AM   #156 
         Yes, Obama just decided with his choices  madfloridian   Jan-05-09 02:39 AM   #135 
            Yes, as he said countless times before the election...  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 02:52 AM   #141 
               The fundies want to alienate me. In fact, many would rather see me dead.  Bluebear   Jan-05-09 02:54 AM   #142 
               And alienate me as well.  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 03:06 AM   #143 
                  WTF?  Two Americas   Jan-05-09 03:25 AM   #149 
                  A misquote by omission...  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 03:34 AM   #152 
                     that doesn't change anything  Two Americas   Jan-05-09 03:42 AM   #155 
                     If you think we have the numbers but not the will to persue OUR OWN RIGHTS  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 03:58 AM   #158 
                        'Then tell me why the American people haven't elected people who will affect change?'  Bluebear   Jan-05-09 04:00 AM   #159 
                        If the change that America wanted was the change that the GLBTQ community wanted...  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 04:16 AM   #161 
                           more ridiculous claims  Two Americas   Jan-05-09 09:18 PM   #310 
                        that is the voice of fear and ignorance  Two Americas   Jan-05-09 04:44 AM   #164 
                           To speak of fear is not to speak in fear.  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 05:05 AM   #165 
                              turn off the damned TV  Two Americas   Jan-05-09 02:28 PM   #273 
                                 I said we're not demanded our rights and expecting them to be dropped off on our doorsteps...  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 10:42 PM   #318 
                                    I guess I am not alone  Two Americas   Jan-05-09 11:49 PM   #324 
                                       Now you're exaggerating. I believe it was the same two or three people chasing me between threads.  nothingtoofear   Jan-06-09 12:01 AM   #325 
                     No it doesn't.  Harvey Korman   Jan-05-09 10:31 AM   #203 
                        Solely because you don't, won't, or cannot understand what I'm saying.  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 10:31 PM   #316 
                  'what we must do is prove ourselves respectable members of society' - WOW  Bluebear   Jan-05-09 03:33 AM   #151 
                  See... taken out of context... anything can sound bigoted.  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 03:35 AM   #153 
                  Earth to nothingtoofear.  Jamastiene   Jan-05-09 10:15 AM   #200 
                  Have a nice night.  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 10:30 PM   #314 
                  You are delusional and you seem to be suffering from gay Stockholm Syndrome.  Harvey Korman   Jan-05-09 10:30 AM   #202 
                     Clearly you don't understand me.  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 10:30 PM   #315 
               But alienating women and the GBTL community is just fine?  saracat   Jan-05-09 03:17 AM   #146 
               That's not going to happen.  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 03:27 AM   #150 
                  I gather you are neither gay or female? Neverthe less, if viewpoints like this  saracat   Jan-05-09 03:44 PM   #279 
                     There's a saying about those who assume.  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 10:33 PM   #317 
               what??  Two Americas   Jan-05-09 03:22 AM   #148 
               So you're telling me that if the economic crisis ened tomorrow...  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 03:38 AM   #154 
                  there is not any "cycle"  Two Americas   Jan-05-09 03:47 AM   #157 
                     Do you not hate those who don't want you to have equality?  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 04:11 AM   #160 
                        listen...  Two Americas   Jan-05-09 04:32 AM   #162 
                        What you describe...  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 04:43 AM   #163 
                        "Do you not hate those who don't want you to have equality?"  LostinVA   Jan-05-09 07:26 AM   #175 
                           Clearly we have lost civil discourse.  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 10:43 PM   #319 
               Very true. It is shameful how fundamentalist Christians have been silenced in this country,  QC   Jan-05-09 08:19 AM   #178 
               And not given any political power or Presidential access  LostinVA   Jan-05-09 09:06 AM   #184 
               It's an outrage, I tells ya! An outrage! n/t  QC   Jan-05-09 10:26 AM   #201 
               I think you should reread my statement.  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 10:48 PM   #321 
               Oh, by all means, let's not alienate the fundamentalists.  donco6   Jan-05-09 06:53 PM   #299 
                  An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind.  nothingtoofear   Jan-05-09 10:44 PM   #320 
                     If I were interested in an eye, that would be appropriate.  donco6   Jan-06-09 08:58 AM   #331 
                        Exactly,  nothingtoofear   Jan-06-09 08:54 PM   #332 
   sounds like a real piece of shit  FarceOfNature   Jan-05-09 02:27 AM   #128 
   Obama's table...  Baby Snooks   Jan-05-09 05:40 AM   #166 
   Virginia voters elected him  Freddie Stubbs   Jan-05-09 10:39 AM   #206 
   Message to women's and gay groups:  jumptheshadow   Jan-05-09 07:13 AM   #172 
   Money  Joey Dog   Jan-05-09 09:44 AM   #191 
   Step further for me  Bluenorthwest   Jan-05-09 10:45 AM   #210 
   I'm done.  donco6   Jan-05-09 06:54 PM   #300 
   He must? I didn't know that was a citizenship requirement of Virginia.  mmonk   Jan-05-09 08:27 AM   #179 
   We need to establish "The Progressive Party" and then vote such folks into office  mrone2   Jan-05-09 09:39 AM   #187 
   We have the Green Party -- we just need to have it be more useful  LostinVA   Jan-05-09 09:59 AM   #197 
   please  wyldwolf   Jan-05-09 09:59 AM   #198 
   On the issue of gay rights, there is a negative pattern developing  Politicub   Jan-05-09 10:06 AM   #199 
   You may have a very good point.  HypnoToad   Jan-14-09 01:47 PM   #343 
   On the anto-gay amendment...  S_E_Fudd   Jan-05-09 10:31 AM   #204 
   He didn't oppose it because of the anti-gay issues, but because of STRAIGHT COUPLES  LostinVA   Jan-05-09 10:36 AM   #205 
   That is not wholly accurate...  S_E_Fudd   Jan-05-09 11:01 AM   #215 
      No, he doesn't believe in equal civil rights, and I AM accurate about his opposition  LostinVA   Jan-05-09 11:37 AM   #220 
      You apparently ignored my response...  S_E_Fudd   Jan-05-09 12:12 PM   #233 
      "contractual rights granted to hetero couples" are just legal rights!  bluedawg12   Jan-05-09 12:01 PM   #230 
         The Nazi card...  S_E_Fudd   Jan-05-09 12:15 PM   #237 
            Restrictive laws against any minority group.  bluedawg12   Jan-05-09 12:32 PM   #242 
   Well, he was wrong from the get-go, wasn't he?  donco6   Jan-05-09 06:56 PM   #301 
   Doctor Dean should consider starting another party.  Usrename   Jan-05-09 10:42 AM   #207 
   There are pro-life democrats  mrgorth   Jan-05-09 10:44 AM   #208 
   But the P:arty Platform is prochoice  LostinVA   Jan-05-09 10:51 AM   #211 
   I'm not the one  mrgorth   Jan-05-09 11:25 AM   #217 
      Why should the Party have a Party Chairman who doesn't believe in the platform?  LostinVA   Jan-05-09 11:35 AM   #219 
      He will shape the platform.  bluedawg12   Jan-05-09 12:02 PM   #231 
   And that is fine.  bigwillq   Jan-05-09 07:17 PM   #305 
   I would prefer that he had run as a republican, which is, in  ooglymoogly   Jan-05-09 10:44 AM   #209 
   Schumer would have been a much better pick.  EconomicLiberal   Jan-05-09 10:53 AM   #212 
   The Republicans didn't lose in 2008...they just changed...  keepCAblue   Jan-05-09 10:56 AM   #214 
   We are catering to RepubliCrats.  bluedawg12   Jan-05-09 12:12 PM   #234 
   Amen  debbierlus   Jan-05-09 12:42 PM   #248 
   Are we sure he is a democrat?  Irishonly   Jan-05-09 11:19 AM   #216 
   Well, he could have been our VP. I am glad we got Joe instead.  Jennicut   Jan-05-09 11:37 AM   #221 
   Positive  Freddie Stubbs   Jan-08-09 07:15 PM   #334 
   The Center is THE right - and it looks as if the whole Obama administration & Democratic Leaders  debbierlus   Jan-05-09 11:59 AM   #228 
   The Dem message now: I got mine screw you.  bluedawg12   Jan-05-09 12:14 PM   #236 
   dems are powerful..power corrupts. anyone ready for a third party...yet?  proud progressive   Jan-05-09 12:21 PM   #238 
   This is disappointing  BreatheOnMe   Jan-05-09 12:22 PM   #239 
   'god, baby', in answer to your pondering  proud progressive   Jan-05-09 02:11 PM   #271 
   Big Tent  iandhr   Jan-05-09 12:24 PM   #240 
   Oh, dear God, please stop with the big tent stuff after Rick Warren's choice..  madfloridian   Jan-05-09 12:27 PM   #241 
   I do not like to Warren thing either.  iandhr   Jan-05-09 12:34 PM   #243 
      If we have to become "blue" by giving up rights of two groups...  madfloridian   Jan-05-09 12:36 PM   #247 
      Obama's sets policy  iandhr   Jan-05-09 12:49 PM   #251 
         Then why pick a party leader who doesn't agree with the platform?  donco6   Jan-05-09 06:59 PM   #302 
      Rev. Lowery does NOT support marriage equality  LostinVA   Jan-05-09 12:53 PM   #252 
      I thought he did  iandhr   Jan-05-09 01:10 PM   #258 
         No, he does NOT support marriage equality  LostinVA   Jan-05-09 01:21 PM   #263 
      The guy giving the benediction does NOT support gay marriage.  hulklogan   Jan-05-09 07:21 PM   #306 
   Except Kaine isn't a liberal, and Webb and Warner aren't, either  LostinVA   Jan-05-09 12:35 PM   #245 
   I never said that...  iandhr   Jan-05-09 12:44 PM   #250 
      No, you DID say that  LostinVA   Jan-05-09 01:25 PM   #266 
   Bah  kenfrequed   Jan-05-09 05:57 PM   #292 
   Some of us still do give a shit.  Hell Hath No Fury   Jan-05-09 12:35 PM   #244 
   He's No Gov. Dean.......  RedstDem   Jan-05-09 12:44 PM   #249 
   I see Govenor Kaine is the  brianna69   Jan-05-09 01:01 PM   #253 
   Kaine Opposes Same-sex Marriage and Civil Unions  From The Left   Jan-05-09 01:01 PM   #254 
   So Govenor Kaine is now an enemy  brianna69   Jan-05-09 01:04 PM   #255 
   Stop calling names. It's time to stop it.  madfloridian   Jan-05-09 01:07 PM   #256 
   No group has been put on notice  brianna69   Jan-05-09 01:13 PM   #259 
      Obviously you got yours- so everyone else STFU??  bluedawg12   Jan-05-09 01:17 PM   #261 
      Bitch away.  brianna69   Jan-05-09 01:20 PM   #262 
         When did concern over family rights become "narcissism" in the Dem. party?  bluedawg12   Jan-05-09 01:24 PM   #265 
         You are very contemptuous of rights for some Democrats  madfloridian   Jan-05-09 02:03 PM   #269 
         Ugh, terribly rude. n/t  donco6   Jan-05-09 07:01 PM   #303 
      That's a really bad answer to a very serious issue. Blame the ones being shoved aside.  madfloridian   Jan-05-09 01:21 PM   #264 
      "Act" like we're being persecuted?  donco6   Jan-05-09 06:28 PM   #293 
   When did concern over civil rights become "narcissism" in the Dem. party?  bluedawg12   Jan-05-09 01:15 PM   #260 
      Using the worst of right wing fundy language such as "narcissism" as code for gays.  bluedawg12   Jan-05-09 01:43 PM   #268 
         Bingo. Their responses are from the right-wing playbook.  jumptheshadow   Jan-06-09 07:46 AM   #328 
   People cannot even contract health care durable power of attorney if they are gay, in Va.  bluedawg12   Jan-05-09 01:07 PM   #257 
   Oh goody the bus just backed up ...  ronnykmarshall   Jan-05-09 02:13 PM   #272 
   One Term  nvme   Jan-05-09 02:36 PM   #274 
   People need to be very careful when they embrace right wing ideology.  bluedawg12   Jan-05-09 02:56 PM   #277 
      Good statement. When you dismiss two groups right off...you know more will follow.  madfloridian   Jan-05-09 05:02 PM   #281 
         It's creeping conservatism, someday the entire package will arrive.  bluedawg12   Jan-05-09 05:11 PM   #283 
   How exciting!!!  tnlefty   Jan-05-09 05:02 PM   #282 
   As the party in power, Kaine will be the fundraiser-in-chief til the midterm elections.  AtomicKitten   Jan-05-09 05:29 PM   #287 
   What rock?  lawdem_atlanta   Jan-05-09 08:34 PM   #307 
   What frigging rock did YOU crawl out from under? Kaine is Al-Qaeda!!!??  wyldwolf   Jan-05-09 09:20 PM   #311 
   Wasn't 2008 election about getting rid of religous fanatics . . . ????  defendandprotect   Jan-07-09 12:39 AM   #333 
   Kaine and Obama are very close friends, they say...  polichick   Jan-08-09 07:54 PM   #335 
   Kick.  madfloridian   Jan-09-09 11:52 PM   #336 
   More on the dangers of denying equal rights bit by bit.  madfloridian   Jan-12-09 12:35 PM   #337 
   Well  HypnoToad   Jan-14-09 01:39 PM   #342 
 
Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 08:27 PM
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1. I can already feel the change!
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 11:49 PM
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104. Change we can make believe in!
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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 09:57 AM
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195. Change we are expected to 'make believe' in. ntUpdated at 2:30 PM
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 11:59 AM
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229. That's golden. Let's keep that one handy. nt
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294. It's washing all over me!
And it's so warm . . . and golden . . . and, hey, it smells a little funny . . .
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-12-09 07:36 PM
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338. Change: not having ideological purity tests for party leaders
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-12-09 08:23 PM
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339. It would be nice if the chair of the Democratic party was actually a Democratic
and not a DINO.
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jan-14-09 11:56 AM
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340. It would be nice if some Democrats were not so narrow-minded as to their definition of
Edited on Wed Jan-14-09 11:57 AM by Freddie Stubbs
what constitutes a Democrat.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Wed Jan-14-09 01:24 PM
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341. Some issues are not negotiable
and that includes Gay rights, reproductive rights, stem cell research, and labor.

I expect the Democratic party to stand for something besides political expediency.
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Fri Jan-16-09 09:59 AM
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344. How will him being DNC Chairman affect those issues?
:shrug:
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2. good thing the DNC chair doesn't set policy, huh?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sun Jan-04-09 08:31 PM
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4. Yeh, yeh, what a relief. Updated at 3:49 PM
Doesn't mean a damn thing he was chosen, now does it?

Of course our party is going to stand behind labor, gays, women, and stem cell research.

:eyes:
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6. that the DNC chair doesn't set policy means plenty
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sun Jan-04-09 08:34 PM
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10. Yes, how lucky our last one couldn't set policy. Updated at 3:49 PM
We would all be in deep doo doo by now, wouldn't we? He supported all the things Kaine doesn't, but he's out on his ear.
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20. yes, actually
:)
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9. People!! Calm down!! Its ONLY a TWO MINUTE PRAYER!!!!1!!1!!
No. He rides in a convertable in a parade and waves and throws candy.
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295. Same thing I thought. How long is that argument going to last?
It's like the energizer bunny.

"It doesn't mean anything!"

Bullshit.
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3. Anything good going on with this guy? n/t
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8. He knows how to win election in areas where Republicans usually dominate
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11. well that's good! Jeez... n/t
Edited on Sun Jan-04-09 08:37 PM by firedupdem
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 08:37 PM
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17. By becoming a Republican in all but name! We don't need that kind of win.
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VADem11 (783 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 08:49 PM
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27. He is not a DINO
Kaine is definitely not a progressive but he isn't a blue dog type either.
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 09:41 AM
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189. You would have preferred Jerry Kilgore as VA's Governor?
:shrug:
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 09:49 AM
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194. Fuck that, I live in VA and we definitely DID need that kind of win.
Jerry Kilgore was the alternative, and he is a hard-right, fundie, nut job. I'm not willing to live with the consequences of your demand for ideological purity.
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DutchLiberal (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 07:11 PM
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304. What's the difference with Tim Kaine?
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 07:11 PM by DutchLiberal
When it comes to choice, gay rights, stem cells and labor, he sounds exactly like a "hard-right, fundie, nut job".
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Jan-05-09 12:04 PM
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232. He won. He no longer
has to lick the Repugnants shoes. Yet he gives Kaine (who is nothing more than a Repugnant who wants to be on the winning side) the job of leading the DNC. He enjoys oppressing over half of our population.

I am simply aghast. Democrats are the 'new Republicans.' And the Republicans are the 'new Fascists.'

I don't see any f*cking change except for the worst! Just as BO answered HRC in one of the debates when discussing his quotes on the Reagan Administration:

"I didn't say what policies I liked of his administration."

And now I hear: "I didn't say what kind of change I planned to do."

Why do the Dems constantly kowtow to the Right, the Wealthy, and the Corporations? Is there really any difference between the parties?

Just more hand-outs from the printing press and deeper in debt. It makes no sense.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Jan-05-09 02:55 PM
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276. By running republicans, right? -nt-
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 08:54 PM
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33. He's anti death penalty
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 09:05 PM
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38. It's a start.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 09:12 PM
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44. No, it's not a start -- it just shows he's not a hypocrite
The Church is anti DP. Kaine is a devout Catholic, and doesn't hide it.

We have a Party Chairman who is anti choice, anti marriage equality (EVEN civil unions)and other GLBT rights, anti stem cells, pro abstinence classes, etc. The ONLY difference between his views and most Repubs is the DP. Hell, Olympia Snowe is way more liberal than he is.
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 09:15 PM
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45. It's a false start. So far, hope and change is not off to a good start at all.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 09:20 PM
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49. My heart sank when I came on here this evening and saw Kaine was chosen
Edited on Sun Jan-04-09 09:24 PM by LostinVA
I swear I would rather have Collins or Snowe head of the DNC instead.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 09:21 PM
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51. Well, it is change - a big change from Howard Dean
Should we start a pool on how big the midterms losses will be in 2010?
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 09:27 PM
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58. Maybe they'll be huge gains for the Democrats as all the Republicans become Dems.
And we'll have a single-party system with a platform identical to this year's Republican Party's.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 09:54 PM
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69. Good point
You could be right.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 08:53 PM
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308. Yeah and half of DU would be thrilled with that
Especially the Obama cultists. Afterall, it doesn't matter what you do or what you stand for-it only matters that you WIN! That made Obama a genius and a hero. That's all it takes. Maybe most of us are shitbags ourselves. All we want is to win!!!??? Win WHAT? What the fuck have we won??? EVER??? TELL ME. We have a figurehead that is smart and sells us out. YIPPEE.
We have sold our souls over and over again. The very fact that the worst administration in history will never face any accountability is proof we LOST. The war is still going on and on and on. Did anyone see that nice ole Embassy in Iraq? Where's the great Obama on that? Oh yeah. no problem with that either.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Jan-05-09 06:24 AM
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168. I HOPE this horrible downward spiral into becoming the Republican Party
CHANGES soon. I guess he did a half assed job of the HOPE and CHANGE theme. I hope for change.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 11:35 AM
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218. Oh goody
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 11:35 AM by MountainLaurel
So he doesn't want fetuses or convicted criminals to die, but women hemorrhaging from self-induced abortions are A-OK.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 11:38 AM
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222. But yet he's signed off on eight executions
Ugh.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 11:39 AM
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224. I guess God told him they deserved it n/t
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 11:39 AM
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225. Seriously
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 12:36 PM
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246. Why be serious when the government plays political jokes with the general publics lives?
Somehow i never got why people give so many give a pass with things they know are wrong. Why is societies acceptance of practice a way to do business. Because society accepts or even endorses it should be an indication that it is good for the civilization and rest of the world. We are all still being held hostage of the antiquated idea of the king's decree if you asked me. Just because someone utters it from their lips does not mean it should be done. Our political system is still way broken, if they tell you different you will also know they are liars :shrug:
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 05:50 PM
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291. Not much spine there
Anti-death penalty huh?

Well how bold of him, especially when you compare him to former Governor Ryan of Illinois who claimed to be pro-death penalty initially but decided during his term to declare a moratorium on the death penalty during his term.

This is, unfortunately, why many people do not respect Democrats. Our elected officials rarely stand up for our principles.
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quidam56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 12:44 AM
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113. He's been a horrible governor as far as environment and health care in very deep Red SWVA.
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 12:48 AM by quidam56
As a resident of Wise County, Virginia Tim Kaine has been a miserable let down. http://www.wisecountyissues.com He's just another politician who doesn't care. Appalachia is truly a toxic waste dump third world America. MRSA is everywhere and heavy metals are in our watersheds.
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byeya (209 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 07:29 AM
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176. Kaine
I'm from the mtns of VA & voted for Kaine only because of the alternative. He's been a lousy governor in my opinion and will be a disaster as party head especially when compared with Dr Dean. He's a weak shadow of Mark Warner as governor.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 11:38 AM
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223. Exactly -- who was I going to vote for, that Nazi KIlgore???
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 08:32 PM
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5. I'm sure that President-elect Obama was unaware of Kaine's policy positions when he chose him
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 09:54 PM
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70. DIANNE FEINSTEIN PICKED HIM!!!1!!!11!
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 10:05 PM
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72. Oh, well that's all right then. Not.
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 10:18 PM
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83. Too kewl! We were getting way too far left, by golly.
Edited on Sun Jan-04-09 10:35 PM by bluedawg12
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 01:11 AM
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117. Whaaaaaaaaat!
You mean the same Dianne Frankenstein here in Ca. I hope San Fransisco remembers this next election. Good thing Obama didn't pick him for VP.
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 07:21 AM
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173. whoosh
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NWHarkness (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 10:17 PM
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82. Uh, yeah, right
They vetted him for VP, but didn't ask him his position on any policies?
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 09:40 AM
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188. Perhaps they thought it was a different Tim Kaine
;)

Or perhaps Obama is well aware of Kaine's policy stances but want him as DNC Chairman anyway. I suppose either explanation is plausible.

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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Jan-05-09 06:34 PM
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296. Are you serious, or just fooling around? n/t
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pecwae (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-06-09 08:51 AM
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330. snap!
How long will this excuse hold water?
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 08:32 PM
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7. There's a name for people who hold those political positions: "Republican"
Maybe he's about to chair the wrong party???

Tesha

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shayes51 (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-06-09 08:40 AM
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329. I agree.
And look what happened when the Republicans started encouraging these right wingers to join their party. Eventually they took over and embraced Sarah Palin.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 08:34 PM
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12. Damn.
Thank goodness I got over being a Yellow Dog Democrat.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 08:35 PM
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13. Don't overreact, Tim Kaine will only be singing ONE SONG. nt
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 08:36 PM
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14. Howard Dean, I miss you already.
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 08:36 PM
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15. And we could have had Kaine as VP!
Well done Mr. President Elect :sarcasm:
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 08:37 PM
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16. He believes that way because he's a serious Catholic, NOT because he's in VA. nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sun Jan-04-09 08:38 PM
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18. But because he's in VA it was the way to win. Updated at 3:49 PM
I understand all that now.

:shrug:
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 09:06 AM
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185. Obama won here.
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 08:51 PM
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31. So far he has not allowed his religious views to interfere
with his duties as governor. He has let several executions take place. If I remember correctly, he has only prevented one execution in a state that is 3rd in # of executions.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 09:10 PM
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43.  Oh, now that is encouraging. He hasn't allowed a single gay marriage
or scientific advance through stem cell research and he is promoting the totally useless abstinence education , but he allows the death penalty to go ahead even against his religion. Great choices and great agenda. Surely I do NOT need to place the Sarcasm frame on this post.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 10:34 PM
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91. well, there goes that anti-death penalty bit of encouragement. nt
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 07:22 AM
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174. I didn't say it wasn't a HOLLOW bit of encouragement
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theHandpuppet (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Tue Jan-06-09 12:15 AM
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326. Not a single gay marriage....
... and even worse, Virginia passed some of the most gay-hating laws in the nation. My partner and I lost desperately needed joint health benefits, even though the company she works for had been providing them for years.
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 09:22 PM
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52. LOL! Do you have a bridge to sell me too?
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keepCAblue (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 10:54 AM
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213. The Republicans didn't lose in 2008...they just changed...
their party affiliation.

The US is now officially a one-party political pony.
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kenfrequed Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 05:15 PM
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284. And that is the greatest indictment
Well aside from the economically conservative thing.

Honestly he could claim to be a morally consistant Catholic (who I would disagree with on his stance on abortion) if he would merely be strong agaisnt the death penalty. But no, this isn't at all about his religious character. This is about embracing republican ideas while feigning at being a democrat. He is completely useless and inside of twenty years he will be Zell Miller.

How the hell could anyone pick him to be in charge of the DNC?
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 08:40 PM
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19. Kaine ultimately spoke out against the VA ban on gay marriage

Kaine opposes Va. amendment

Governor, activists decry gay union ban for different reasons

JOSHUA LYNSEN
Thursday, April 13, 2006

Gov. Tim Kaine is urging Virginians to vote against a proposed constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage because he fears it could have unintended consequences.

Kaine, a Democrat, issued a statement this week publicly opposing the amendment that goes to voters Nov. 7. In the statement, Kaine said he believes "marriage is between one man and one woman" and that condition is clear under current state law.

"But I am concerned that the broad wording of the proposed constitutional amendment goes much further than that, threatening the constitutional rights of individuals to enter into private contracts, and also threatening the discretion of employers to extend certain benefits, such as health care coverage, to unmarried couples," he said. "For those reasons, I will vote against the marriage amendment in November, and I urge other Virginians to vote against it as well."

link


A Bad Amendment

Even if you oppose gay marriage, Virginia's ban would go too far.

Sunday, September 17, 2006; Page B06

SINCE 1998, 20 states have adopted constitutional amendments banning gay marriage. But not all of them have been drafted so expansively, and so carelessly, as the measure that will appear on Virginia's ballot in November, which would recognize no "union, partnership or other legal status to which is assigned the rights, benefits, obligations, qualities or effects of marriage." The amendment is muddle-headed and absurdly broad, duplicates what is already in state law and carries the germ of a thousand unintended consequences. Virginia voters should reject it.

Gov. Timothy M. Kaine (D) opposes gay marriage, but he shares with its defenders the concern that the wording of Virginia's amendment could imperil the rights of individuals to enter into private contracts or employers to extend benefits such as health care coverage to unmarried couples. Plenty of the state's most prominent employers might face a more vexing recruiting environment if the amendment is approved.

more


It doesn't make him a hero, but at least let's put all the facts on the table.

Glad he isn't VP.


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Sun Jan-04-09 08:43 PM
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22. That's good news that he backtracked. Updated at 3:49 PM
You are right, it doesn't make him a hero. Thanks for posting.
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VADem11 (783 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 08:43 PM
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23. Yes he did
I fundamentally disagree with Kaine on these issues but evaluating Kaine on these issues alone distort the full picture of what his term has been like. Besides, his role will be to raise money and elect Democrats. He's done a good job of electing Democrats in Virginia.

Read more here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 08:45 PM
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26. He won't be raising money from me.
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 09:08 PM
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41. He didn't oppose the amendment because it would harm LGBT Americans
He opposed it because it might harm straight couples and business as well.

That is not true opposition.
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JohnnieGordon (415 posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 10:05 PM
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73. He opposed it only because it'd hurt unmarried heterosexual couples
"But I am concerned that the broad wording of the proposed constitutional amendment goes much further than that, threatening the constitutional rights of individuals to enter into private contracts, and also threatening the discretion of employers to extend certain benefits, such as health care coverage, to unmarried couples," he said. "For those reasons, I will vote against the marriage amendment"

He ain't a hero alright, nor is he within a trillion miles of being one. Unless you think opposing a flagrantly anti-gay amendment, only because it might hurt precious heterosexual couples, involves even the most microscopic speck of bravery.
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Politicalboi (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 01:39 AM
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118. Damn it
Somebody has to protect marriage. Just think if Tommy Lee and Pamela couldn't get married. They respect marriage even though she didn't even know her last name till after they were married. Who would want to stop that love.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Mon Jan-05-09 06:27 AM
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169. Or Britney Spears' 55 hours marriage.
Edited on Mon Jan-05-09 06:28 AM by Jamastiene
Heaven forbid anybody threaten the sanctity of that. :eyes:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Donate to DU! Fri Jan-16-09 06:11 PM
Response to Reply #73
345. ExactlyUpdated at 3:49 PM
That is why.
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 08:42 PM
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21. Obama realizes that winning red states is the key to his reelection
Kaine knows how to win there.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 08:44 PM
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24. Yes, because Obama couldn't find a way to win this year.
:crazy:
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 09:09 PM
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42. the difference was red states
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 09:21 PM
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50. Too bad Obama couldn't win them. Wait.
At this rate - and this is not just here on DU - Obama is going to have a serious challenge from the left for 2012.
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 09:23 PM
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53. lol. There is no one serious on the left to challenge him
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 09:24 PM
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55. I guess that's what he's betting. That doesn't make him admirable. It makes him a pol.
Just another politician.
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 09:27 PM
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59. It's a safe bet
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terisan (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 09:34 PM
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64. I thought Clinton was much liberal on social issues. nt
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 09:43 PM
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67. not much more, and a challenge from her (not probable) wouldn't be from the left
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terisan (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 09:53 PM
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I don't think she would be inviting Rick Warren to speak at the ceremony.
The GLBT and Women's rights movement are probably going to have to seek a new home.
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 10:04 PM
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71. probably not but then again she would have done something to hurt someone's feelings
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terisan (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 09:53 PM
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68. I don't think she would be inviting Rick Warren to speak at the ceremony.
The GLBT and Women's rights movement are probably going to have to seek a new home.
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druidity33 Donating Member (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 07:47 AM
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177. really?
As i understand it she's involved with a pretty shady religious group herself. The DC group itself is Right-leaning and a mostly Republican membership... how'd Hillary get in there? If not Warren, then some other dastardly devil, no doubt.

Can't remember, but it was a fascinating article... Harpers maybe? Mother Jones, i think.

:shrug:


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Creideiki (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Mon Jan-05-09 01:29 PM
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267. Along with moderate/mainstream Christians, Jews, damned near everything
"Change you can believe in," is Obamese for, "The Democratic Party will become the Republican Party--go find your own party."
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 10:07 PM
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75. I don't consider either Clinton to be progressive or "left."
This is not about the primaries. The Clintons and Obama are about the same on the issues - center right.
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sun Jan-04-09 10:27 PM
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87. the difference was the public
The public rejected and repudiated Reaganomics and the religious right.

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wyldwolf (1000+ posts)  Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list