Tucker Carlson said 'so what if George Bush used cocaine at Camp David'!!

[MoonRiver]

I heard him yesterday on CNN.

I have two observations about this outrageous and truly surprising statement. First, the right's hypocrisy is simply mind boggling. Just imagine if this were being said about a Dem! (I know, I should be used to it by now.) Second, what Kelly is reporting about * doing drugs at Camp David MUST BE TRUE. Carlson was clearly planting seeds for the latest 'little 40ish Georgie was just a naughty kid before he got saved' meme in the public's mind. Obviously the bushies are not going to be able to sue Kelly or even scream and yell that she is lying, because she ISN'T. So its cya time. Let the games begin! :D

[Catfight]

1. For one, they are illegal to possess and obtain. Two, they cause

people to be killed and it ruins our society. Three, it shows that Bush has an irresponsible addictive side. Four, it causes brain damage. Four, he lied about it. Five, he lied about it.

[LTR]

5. and six...

...cocaine funds terrorism.

[TankLV]

16. & 7 - bunkeboy gets a pass and promotion while the rest now rot in jail.

plus this criminal ADVOCATES mandatory jail time for others found in an exactly same situation!

[Catfight]

33. Yes, thanks for pointing that out!

[Nancy Waterman]

43. And seven, he was well over 40!

Poppy was in the WH after Bush was "saved". Bush said he hadn't done anything since 1972. He was 40 in 1986.

[cthrumatrix]

68. you mean..he lied?

[ContinentalOp]

52. The "Cocaine Funds Terrorism" angle won't work on him though.

Why? Because as a good patriotic American, Bush bypassed the drug/terror industry, flew to Columbia directly and bought his blow wholesale. See, he supports the small local farmer.

[papau]

6. Buying Cocaine makes you a Terrorist supporter

:-)

[cthrumatrix]

63. see if Tucker covers his track today

[the Kelly Gang]

10. 6/7/8/9 etc etc..he LIED about it! ..don't they f****** well get it ?

[Stephanie]

12. He lied to the FBI when they did his security check

He lied to the FBI

[LTR]

2. Yet the RW can still criticize Kerry for what he did in his 20s

And Kerry was a war veteran and an activist who testified before Congress.

Not to mention running for office and working as a prosecutor.

And they still trash Kerry for what he did as a youth. :eyes:

[alarcojon]

29. It's disgusting, isn't it? eom

[papau]

3. GOP Congressman Hyde on destroying marriages/fathering kids in his 40's

"When I was young"

And he was re-elected!

[wurzel]

14. Another "youthful indiscretion". Came out during Clinton impeachment.

And the media couldn't have cared less then. And we have the same media today.

[LisaLynne]

4. Heh

They're already to the 'So what? It doesn't matter. It was in the past' arguements? Holy moly. Kitty must have some serious proof or the BFEE know such evidence is out there and are afraid she has it.

[MoonRiver]

9. Exactly.

I ordered the book not expecting much. Now I can't wait to dig in! Only I'll probably feel like a pig whose wallowed in the mud too much afterward.

[the Kelly Gang]

7. so sex for Big Dog was the end of the world but a drug addled

cretin is A OK..(love those hamsters for Kerry !)

[maine_raptor]

18. a drug addled cretin, with his finger on the Button, I might add

But, hey, if it's good enough for the Bow-Tie Boy......:crazy:

[MoonRiver]

45. Thanks!

I heart my hamster too! :D

[liberal N proud]

56. DITTO!

[cthrumatrix]

8. THIS is big... "so what" can be used against anything Kerry has

ever done...EVER.

But..."so what" does not cover ILLEGAL behavior.

[MoonRiver]

11. It seems clear they KNOW she's got the dirt on him.

[cthrumatrix]

13. SO WHAT ...if AWOL lied and over 1000 soldiers died..!

this is the new repug mantra for being caught...Kitty Kelly's book is going to fly off the shelves.

[colonel odis]

15. tucker, does EVERYTHING have to be explained to you, son?

but i guess when you wear a bow tie like a 6 year old you have the critical thinking skills of a 6 year old.

[GR]

22. Wear A Bow Tie And Scream Like A Girl As An Arguing Technique..

nfm

[2bfree]

27. Hey, that's not nice..................

Girls everywhere are horrified at the comparison to Tucker.;)

[magnolia]

59. There might be more to this.

Tucker is not helping Bush with this statement. Only democrats would use the term "so what" regarding cocaine use in ones past. Right-wingers who think pot is a hard core drug, and the Christian right who don't even let a wine cooler touch their lips, aren't going to say "so what". I've heard that Tucker hates Bush...maybe this is his way of hurting Bush without losing his job.

Or maybe he's a dumb ass....

[snippy]

17. How very republican. Hypocrisy is a fundamental priciple

of the republican party. Others are greed, dishonesty, corruption, and ruthlessness.

[Clinton Crusader]

47. If Laura turned up dead

in the WH, little Tucker would sugar coat it, they all would and fob it off as an "unfortunate accident".

I hate to rewind back to this, but what if all this was being said about Clinton while he was Prez.?? There would already be a congressional investigation forming. And you gotta admit, the repukes would be barnstorming TV, banging their fists on tables, demanding to know and demanding an investigation. Hell, they immediately wanted a congressional investigation into Vince Foster's death, insinuating the Clintons personally killed him or had him killed.
:kick:

[cthrumatrix]

61. the typical double standard....they don't care about people

they care only about power

[yardwork]

66. That's exactly what happened to Joe Scarborough's aide

and exactly what the Republicans in Florida did in response.

Exactly. She turned up dead in Scarborough's office and the story was buried and no investigation ever took place.

[Meritaten1]

19. Are you certain that this quote is accurate?

If so, and Mr. Carlson actually said this on the air, it is a truly amazing comment on his (and CNN's) attitude toward illegal drug use, don't you think? Not to mention media bias.

It is equivalent to their claiming that a drug offense is only a big deal or not depending upon the identity of the person committing the offense. The same thing that would result in John Doe Public spending years in jail and losing a host of benefits, such as the ability to obtain a federal student loan, is not a big issue? Has a doublestandard become that entrenched in this country?

If a Democrat had been associated in any way with such alleged misconduct, I can't imagine any commentators responding with "so what?"

[MoonRiver]

24. All I can say is my husband and I both heard it.

I, of course, went ballistic screaming hysterically about Repuke hypocrisy (good thing we were alone, this time :D.) I haven't had much time to post, but decided today that I should share this bombshell with DU.

[kcwayne]

26. It is in line with their attitude about Limbaugh's illegal drug use

They view Rush as a sick person in need of help because he is a rich Republican. Otherwise, you are a menace to society and should be put in jail. Tucker is just putting more BS on the heap.

[BuelahWitch]

38. It's even worse than Limbaugh

Limbaugh had a prescription drug habit. W's nose candy is illegal...

[kcwayne]

40. Limbaughs pill popping is illegal as well

because of his doctor shopping. But he will never face prosecution on this.

[olddem43]

30. That's already been demonstrated with Limpbag's drug use.

[Malva Zebrina]

20. looks to me like he is still doing something at Camp David

or Crawford . He looks bloated and seedy.

[cthrumatrix]

64. he really does

[dumpster_baby]

21. I am glad he said that. It just helps put the general idea out there

Most people do not watch these news shows in depth. They might catch a sentence or two flipping channels. And a sentence like what Carlson just said might hurt Bush.

[City Lights]

23. This was post-I-found-Jesus snorting.

Saying that georgie was a bad boy before his 40th doesn't cover this pile. big bush was president between 1989-1993. bush was born in 1946.

[atommom]

25. It still blows my mind, even though I should know better by now...

Can you imagine how the Republican party would have ripped Kerry to shreds if he had Bush's background? He would have been blown out of the water by now. While Bush has been a stoned and drunken frat boy for most of his life, and has had his daddy's friends covering up for him for many years. He's done a lot of self-indulgent, morally reprehensible things in his life, and that continues to this day. How in the hell can he describe himself as morally superior? :wtf:

Yeah, like I said, I should know better by now.... :eyes:

[MoonRiver]

28. Plus, I doubt the Democratic Party would have enabled the ascension

of such a degenerate, regardless of his family ties.

[colonel odis]

31. "FOUR MORE LINES! FOUR MORE LINES!" n/t

[Catfight]

36. LOL..I like that...Four More Lines! good stuff. n/t

[Stephanie]

32. Did Bush LIE on his security background check???

_______________________________

According to an AP report today, Bush held another press conference and said that "he could have passed stringent background checks for illegal drug use when his father was president, from 1989-1993." ASSUMING Bush meant that he would have taken the background check in January of 1989, that would mean that he's saying he hasn't used cocaine in 11 years, since he said yesterday that he hasn't used cocaine in the last seven years. However, Bush added, "Not only could I have passed in today's White House, I could have passed the standards applied under the most stringent conditions when my dad was president, a 15-year period." Of course, Poppy was only President for 4 years, and 7 and 4 equal 11, not 15. " Since "the Bush White House asked staff members if they had used any illegal drugs in the last 15 years," reporters may have ASSUMED that Bush meant those 15 years, but that's not what he said. ASSUMING Bush meant that he could have passed the 15-year drug test at the beginning of his father's presidency, that would make the total non-coke time 26 years, which is how a Bush spinner seems to have interpreted Dubya's statement: "Bush spokeswoman Mindy Tucker said the Republican presidential front-runner was saying that he has not used illegal drugs at any time since 1974, when the 53-year-old Bush was 28." However, "Asked if Bush could have met the standard when his father was vice president, from 1981-1989, Tucker said, 'My understanding is he was answering questions regarding when his dad was president, not vice president,' leaving the actual non-coke span up in the air. What we're left with, then, is that we're sure Bush has not answered the question about cocaine use, one way or the other, prior to his 29th birthday. From age 29 on, we're in need of some clarification from Bush, not a spinner. A statement like "I didn't use hard drugs after age 29" would suffice. Until then, we're mired in waffle-talk. One way or the other, the question that has been asked for months remains unanswered, did Bush use hard drugs at any time in his life? Politex, 8/19/99

_______________________________

"Gov. George W. Bush, dogged by criticism for refusing to say whether he has used illegal drugs, answered part of the question Wednesday and said he had not done so in the last seven years. Mr. Bush's statement came in response to a question from The Dallas Morning News about whether, as president, he would insist that his appointees answer drug-use questions contained in the standard FBI background check. 'As I understand it, the current form asks the question, 'Did somebody use drugs within the last seven years?' and I will be glad to answer that question, and the answer is 'No,' Mr. Bush told The News....The Questionnaire for National Security Decisions, part of the background check, asks about illegal drug use going back seven years. Applicants also are asked if they have ever used illegal drugs while employed as a law officer, prosecutor or court official....FBI applicants can have used so-called hard drugs, such as cocaine and heroin five times in their lives, but not during the 10 years immediately before their applications, (according to FBI Agent Rene Salinas). Applicants take lie-detector tests to verify their answers to drug-use questions....'You are required to answer the questions fully and truthfully, the questionnaire says.... Mr. Bush, the GOP presidential front-runner, would not elaborate about drug use beyond seven years ago." Dallas Morning News, 8/19/99
_______________________________

http://www.bushwatch.com/bushcoke.htm

[cthrumatrix]

37. denial means "he did cocaine"... or else he would say so...it's simple

[liberal_in_GA]

34. Let's all write to CNN

and call them out for being the coke/media whores they are!

:bounce:

[cthrumatrix]

44. good idea

[demokatgurrl]

35. Don't inhale....

but snorting is OK.
Remember all the crap about whether Clinton inhaled? Remember that judge who was nixed from being considered for the Supreme Court because he did inhale?

[AspenRose]

39. Wondering if Bowtie boy is doing a little blow himself....hmmmm

So what, right? Everyone does it, right? "Some people say...."

Obviously Bowtie is not thinking clearly...there must be a reason for that....

things that make you go 'hmmmmmm'

[MoonRiver]

41. They should just write a law legalizing all drugs for all Pukes,

but keeping them illegal for Dems. Make their damned hypocrisy official. :puke:

[Carni]

42. Bow tie boy was a dead head

At least that is what I read...

As far as I know not a lot of clean and sober types were Grateful dead fans.

It's only OK to be a drug user when you are a born again bushbot...didn't you guys know that?

[cheshire]

46. What's next? So what if he got my mom shot with an AKA. Unbelievable

[Jackpine Radical]

48. Actually, this is HUGE in psychological terms.

It means that the veneer of denial has been cracked. The next layer of defense is minimization, which is what you're seeing here.

Denial phase: It didn't happen, that's not true, etc.
Example: "I do NOT have a drinking problem."

Minimization phase: Maybe there is a little to what you say, but no big deal.
Example: "Well, maybe I drink a little, but it's not really a problem, or not much of a problem anyway."

If a large segment of the population is goig down this same path re: Bush, you may be surprised at how fast the whole "Bush is God" belief system collapses. Most of the psychic defensive energy is invested in maintaining the wall of denial. That's the tough one to crack. The rest of the defenses, beginning with the minimization layer, are hastily erected fallback positions that slow down the onslaught of reality a little, but get swept away without too much difficulty.

[cthrumatrix]

49. exactly

[belle]

50. Hmm, interesting. Could be. Anyway, it's now a "talking point," the coke

I am pretty sure most people, left *and* right, who were not hardcore political junkies, were not aware of these particular allegations heretofore.

Now all they have to do is connect the drugs to the AWOL thing, and connect the Vietnam AWOL thing to his irresponsibility these past four years, and: slip, slide, there goes the "character" issue. oopsie.

of course, this working depends on a) *someone* on our team playing relentless hardball and b) the media cooperating even a little bit.

[cthrumatrix]

51. Air America should have on Ms Kelly for a whole week

[rullery]

53. Tucker Carlson shows his own lack of any scruples.

By in effect condoning Bush' use of cocaine even at age 40, Tucker displays his own lack of any sense of propriety and decency. He is a little fop who imagines that wearing a bow-tie gives him some dignity. To him and his ilk, all truth is relative. If it suits him he will use it; if not he will dismiss it. It is all just a game to this spoiled brat.

In fact Tucker reminds me very much of Bush at his age. No doubt he has at least sampled weed and coke himself, and therefore justifies it in others, disregarding the fact that these are illegal substances. It is a wonder to me that the conservatives cannot find better spokesmen for their viewpoints than Tucker and his aged, senile partner on Crossfire, Bob Novak.

[cthrumatrix]

55. If it's "no big deal"....then have Bush answer the questions

about his military and Kelly questions.

[DrFunkenstein]

54. 1 DUI For Bush, 2 For Cheney

When Bush's Daddy confronted him about drunk driving with his brother in the car, Dubya challenged him to a fist fight!

[seabeyond]

57. and laur took it all the way back to '87

bush in office '89-'93. so even with that lauer tried to put it as far away from present as he could possibly. what if it was '93. that is merely a decade ago, and that was a last sighting, doesnt mean he has done it, well hey, this morning. we dont know

[seabeyond]

58. i mean, how do we know he didnt do it this morning

i ask you. we are acting like that was his last time. no one said he quit that day. we dont know when the last time was. obviously isnt the story bush gave us

and it doesnt matter

[David Zephyr]

60. Mudoch's Whore, Bill Kristol: "So What if Bush Goofed Off Months in Guard"

I agree with Saywhat that the Bush Campaign is now orchestrating a "so what" argument...BECAUSE THEY KNOW THE TRUTH IS COMING OUT AND CAN NOT BE REFUTED.

[cheezus]

62. Drugs now legal if user is employed

http://www.zephoria.org/journal/articles/Drugs%20Now%20Legal%20If%20User%20Is%20Employed.htm

[no name no slogan]

65. Who fucking cares about 10+ years ago-- nail his ass for TODAY

Is there some shortage of reasons why Bush sucks? Are not the two failed wars, a skyrocketing deficit, a "jobless" economic recovery, out-of-control medical costs enough reason why he should be thrown out with yesterday's garbage?

Guess what? 98% of America DOES NOT CARE about what Kitty Kelly, or Tucker Carlson, or Rush Limbaugh says about Dubya OR Kerry. Most of them are too busy worrying about how they're working more hours and making less money, or about their job going overseas, or about how they're going to pay the skyrocketing cost of their medical insurance or for college for the kids.

And do you know what else? The more time we focus on this background static about who smoked what where and when, the more we do to make the electorate EVEN MORE CYNICAL than it already is.

If the electorate is cynical, they see no difference between either candidate. And they stay home. Which is exactly what the Repubs want them to do.

The Repubs know that, even though they control the government, they are still a MINORITY of voters in this country. Most polling data bears this out, that even if voters self-identify as Republicans, they are more sympathetic to the Dem position on issues. The way the Repubs have won is to energize their base and give their voters a reason TO vote, and to give our voters a reason NOT to vote.

By buying into the Swift Boat Liars/Willie Horton mentality, we're doing the Repubs dirty work for them. We're helping to make voters cynical. Which is why more and more of them have stayed home every presidential election.

Dubya is the worst president since Herbert Hoover. The fact that he's taken this country down so far in the last four years is reason enough for him to lose. But instead we're focused on whether or not Dubya was a blow monkey in the 80s.

Be relentless. Talk about the issues. Tell the truth. Give the voters a reason to vote FOR Kerry, other than "he sucks less than Bush". THAT is how we WIN.

[GingerSnaps]

67. 40 is still a kid?

So many kids are having kids these days before they become adults at the age of 60. Shame on them for doing something like that before they become adults.