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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 07:16 PM
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I guess on the bright side, President-elect Obama is standing his ground on the Warren deal....
despite many believing it is the wrong thing to do.

This stands in direct contrast to the current guy.
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WHEN CRABS ROAR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 07:20 PM
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1. Seems like we have to learn how to trust all over again.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 07:22 PM
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2. The current guy Bush kept his position on Iraq all these years - regardless of how wrong it was.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 07:44 PM
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12. that's what the OP is saying.nt
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 08:15 PM
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20. Yes. And I am just bearing witness. That's all.
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 08:16 PM by avaistheone1
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 07:24 PM
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3. Obama made a statement?
I heard something a few days..what was it 4-5(?), when the shit-storm first started, but I didn't know he had addressed it. What did he say?
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 07:37 PM
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4. At this point he's better off sticking with his choice
He'd look wishy washy if he backed down. He needs to appear strong and decisive, and he certainly doesn't want to set a precedent for his opinions being second guessed and allowing himself to be pushed around.

His best option is to stick with Warren but make it very clear that his opinion about homosexuality differs significantly from his.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 07:49 PM
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16. (Obama) "needs to appear strong and decisive." At the expense of a marginalized group?
We call that bullying, gay bashing, where I come from.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 08:15 PM
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19. Sounds like more "stay the course" bullshit. Gee, where have I heard that before?
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 08:44 PM
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24. Yes, he would appear wishy washy and wimpy if he backed down every time someone
didn't like his choices or what he did or said. Obama could do the right thing, though, and let DU make all of his decisions for him because then we would have perfection.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 07:38 PM
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5. standing by a bad decision is unlike bush?
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 07:40 PM
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6. Psst...don't want you to kick my ass or anything but...
the OP is sarcasm, IJ is kinda famous for "flat" sarcasm, never, and I do mean, never uses any emoticons, at all.
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WHEN CRABS ROAR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 07:42 PM
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8. He has many more important decisions ahead.
Nuclear weapons for one.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 07:44 PM
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11. gee, I cannot fucking wait
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WHEN CRABS ROAR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 07:46 PM
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13. That's the problem.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 08:12 PM
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17. it's not a problem to be legitimately concerned
worshiping is a HUGE problem
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WHEN CRABS ROAR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 08:26 PM
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23. I was referring to not being able to wait and I didn't know that
worshiping was a "HUGE" problem compared to unleashing nukes upon the world.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 09:23 PM
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25. it's huge compared to BEING CONCERNED
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 09:24 PM by Skittles
I don't wait for a certain fucking date to BE CONCERNED
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 07:40 PM
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7. He thinks he needs to include fundies
I disagree, but he isn't likely to change his mind. Hopefully this will be the last 2 minutes they get until they stop discriminating and hating.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 07:43 PM
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9. LOL
:thumbsup:
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 07:43 PM
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10. Staying the course, is it? That's not change.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 07:47 PM
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14. Unable or incapable of admitting error, and taking corrective action, is what Bush does.
We had 8 years of staying the course. We don't need anymore of that!
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 07:49 PM
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15. He is a firm and manly leader. n/t
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 08:13 PM
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18. I think he had to on this one there is no inteneded slight upon the gay community, just
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 08:14 PM by cooolandrew
a sensible move to bring in half of America to feel part of what is still a very historic day.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 08:23 PM
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21. Maybe because he expected the outrage from the base? Call me crazy, but this was deliberate.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 09:24 PM
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26. I agree!
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ProgressIn2008 Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 09:30 PM
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27. I tend to agree, too. I think he wanted the "RW cred", to be honest.
I'll wait it out to see if he caves, but I'd be surprised if he did. We'll see. If he did, he'd get Warren to withdraw with some statement about not wanting to disrupt such a historic event, blah blah etc, and in the meantime, no universal health care and troop buildup in Afghanistan and another day in the empire.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 09:33 PM
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28. I don't think Obama can unshit the bed this time.
Withdrawing makes him look weak, and as I said, I think the purpose of this abomination is to piss off the parts of his base that the wingnuts find most frightening.

Classic triangulation. Dick Morris is surely very impressed.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 08:25 PM
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22. The current guy sticks with bad decisions even longer. nt
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 09:34 PM
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29. I have a feeling PE Obama will change his mind in the next few days.
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