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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 07:44 AM
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It's difficult to take someone named 'Kitty Kelly' seriously
I don't think her book is going to have any impact on this election.

I think it's time to move on to other things - this gossip mongering does not help us one bit.


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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 07:45 AM
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1. Man did she know how to reshape the discussion
Kitty Kelley was smoooooooth.

Lauer couldn't understand that she could make these allegations when W said he gave up drugs when he was 40 it was sad how whole heartedly Lauer took W's word. He looked like an idiot.
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 07:46 AM
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2. yeah, but i just watched her make matt lauer look like an rnc stooge.
i don't care what her name is. she's showing the world what type of people the bushes are.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 07:47 AM
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3. There are people who are influenced by this sort of thing
Edited on Mon Sep-13-04 07:47 AM by DoYouEverWonder
Is it our fault, that some people vote for a person because of their personality, rather than their abilities?

Bad press is bad press. I'll take it whichever way we can get it.

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daddybear Donating Member (538 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 07:47 AM
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4. I love her....
she takes the flack and hands it back... Matt was a little hard on her for only a newsman... but she did fine. She does well...
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 07:48 AM
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5. I haven't seen the interview
I'm on the West coast. But hey - if she made Lauer look like a fool good for her - but I still don't think the book will impact the election in any appreciable way...
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 07:50 AM
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6. I disagree w/ your subject line, but agree w/ the rest of your post. More:
"Kitty" is a real name. It's a diminutive of Catharine (choose any spelling you like) and probably other "long" names. Your point can be made w/out getting after someone for something like a name. JMHO.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 07:59 AM
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7. I just saw the interview by Matt Lauer. Whatever
credentials he had as a "journalist" was just flushed down the toilet. I was offended by his attitude toward Ms Kelly. The only reason they had her on was to try to destroy her. She wrote a book; lots of people write books. But it was obvious what Matt was doing at the behest of the WH. I hope he made enough money from selling his soul to the administration. There is absolutely no honesty left in the media.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 08:02 AM
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9. ~"All libel lawsuits against her have been thrown out of court"
He had to preface the whole thing with that which blew almost everything he said/questioned out of the water. Is it gossipy? Yeah but that doesn't mean it isn't true.
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the Kelly Gang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 08:07 AM
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11. gave up on him when he toured the WH, fawning like a lap dog
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Francine Frensky Donating Member (870 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 08:02 AM
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8. The facts were always on our side: this hits em where it counts!
I agree that it would be nice if books like Clarke's and Graham's and Dean's, very serious books, very factual, with cases all laid out, were given more weight.... but obviously, they have done very little to sway the other side.

These people care nothing for facts.

The other side deals in innuendo, subleties, gossip, voodoo, kharma.... and this book chips away at the veneer of the bush family as pure and perfect.


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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 08:04 AM
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10. Are you kidding? This is great!
Americans are sheeple, ghty love gossip. Unfortunately most of the gossip has been about democrats because we never played that game. Now the worm is turning and you think we should move on? No way.
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 08:10 AM
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12. Hey, it's difficult to take someone named 'Zell Miller' seriously
But tons of lobotomized sheep fell under HIS comical spell for some stupid reason, so I guess anything is possible.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 08:13 AM
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13. Officially, we ought to take the high road.
(No, not that kind of high.) Kerry & other Democrats should campaign on Bush's disastrous foreign & domestic policies. And they should explain what the Democrats have to offer.

But Kitty is operating on another level. She writes gossipy books that sell millions & I hope this one does well. If it makes Republicans squirm a bit--good for her.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 08:20 AM
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14. Why should we let the other side's gossip mongers win?
This is like us not bashing Bush at the DNC. We were "nice", and then they
couldn't stop dumping on Kerry at their convention.

Every time we place nice we get screwed. Rove counts on having the
slime field all to himself while we're busy taking the high road.
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auburngrad82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 08:32 AM
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15. Her books have always been best sellers
I've never read one but with people's current craving for tabloid type journalism it's sure to sell a lot of copies. And if it hurts Dubya I'm all for it.
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 08:39 AM
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16. Best KK quote : "GB has never denied using, buying, or SELLING cocaine."
Mattie Microphone had to let that go unchallenged. It's true.
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 08:50 AM
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19. When was this???
I don't remember this quote..is it for real? MKJ
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 08:39 AM
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17. wait---we're supposed to listen to a guy named 'rumguy'? lol
irony alert!

; )
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 08:46 AM
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18. Yeah, but we should hear about the swiftboat liars for weeks on end,
Edited on Mon Sep-13-04 08:47 AM by in_cog_ni_to
right? I say BULLSHIT. This book has a LOT more credibility than the swiftboat liar's book does. She's NEVER lost a libel lawsuit. Everyone of them has been dropped. THAT says a LOT.

Nope. I'm sick of KKKRove running roughshod over this campaign. Let Kitty Kelley's book do it's job. It's about time the sheeple open their damn eyes.

The swiftboat liars questioned Kerry's integrity over whether or not he was REALLY injured ENOUGH for a Purple Heart. He only served for 4 months. He injured himself. He helped the communists....on and on it goes. Well, now it's the idiot-in-chief-AWOL-Coke user-alcholic-abortion user-lying sack-of-shit's turn. He's the one who said BRING IT ON....well, HERE IT IS!
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YIMA Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 08:56 AM
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20. I disagree.
Gossip mongering can be very effective. At this point in the race we have to play to our strengths. I think KK's book will be a wonderful addition to the CBS memo and the Texans4Truth ads.
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 09:10 AM
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21. Err...but Bubba, Junior, Carlene and Shirley just might.
Your college-educated, urbane, MTV streek is showing.
:)

The question is still: "Will it play in Peoria?"
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 10:04 AM
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22. The name may be difficult for some ears to take seriously
But you have to admit Kitty Kelly is a name you never confuse with anybody else's, and it is a name you never forget.

Is gossip good? Everybody gossips. Kitty Kelly, so far as I know, has never taken a holier-than-thou sanctimonious self-righteous approach in any of her writings. She writes to amuse and that's the result she gets. Does it help or hurt the people she writes about? I don't know. Was it on everybody's minds at the recent Reagan funeral, where the withering old Nancy was on constant display, the actress's greatest role, that a Kitty Kelly book reported that Nancy had a reputation in old Hollywood for giving the best head in town?

Kitty Kelly writes about what people want to talk about, the difference is that this time the story is about a sitting president and his family.

In defense of Kitty Kelly. She was one of the founders of Washington Independent Writers and presided over the organization in its early years, and may still be involved with it today. It was a great resource for journalists and freelance writers getting started in Washington. It helped established standards for freelancers in the industry. It was easy to join. It held frequent meetings and gatherings with important guest speakers. It had a group insurance plan that was very cheap for its time. The group was a tremendous aid, all in all, for thousands of freelancers. It is still around today, and it would not have gotten going without Kitty Kelly. She worked at it, presided over it.

I think of her in respect to the writer's association that she formed, and that she worked hard at, although it made her no money. She seemed to be one of those rare people obsessed with organizing, documentation. I remember that her apartment was nothing but file cabinets. She began as a secretary, but clearly she had too much energy to be confined to that, and she made a place for herself in Washington, in a category, whatever you may think of her work, all by herself.
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lunarboy13 Donating Member (343 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 10:20 AM
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23. Yes and no...
I think Kerry and fellow Democrats should condemn the book and instead keep the focus on real issues. The Dems didn't write it and she's known for such scandalous books (she even wrote about Jackie Kennedy). So we need to keep our distance from it.

That being said, however, I think the Bush campaign is worried about it's potential impact on some voter's minds. If this book does have an impact, I believe it will not be directly, but indirectly because if the Bush camp uses any time/money to trash the book and Kitty personally -- it's time and money spent away from attacking Kerry. It puts Bush back on the defensive again and that's where this book's impact may be felt.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-13-04 10:25 AM
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24. So what? If she wrote a book about the Clinton's the republicans
would use it against them. It may not sway the election, but at least the information gets out there.
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