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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:50 PM
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Rick Warren has been on the defensive ever since the invitation was extended.
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 12:51 PM by 11 Bravo
People who never heard of him are learning what he stands for, and are now asking themselves, "That crazy sonofabitch believes WHAT?" Warren is caught squarely in the spotlight, and is being forced to defend the indefensible.
So, while I still believe the invite was a bonehead move, that one rebellious synapse keeps tingling away, causing me to wonder if maybe, just maybe, Barack Obama IS the smartest mother-fucker in the room.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:56 PM
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1. Roaches are still roaches even when you shine a light on them.
This move will not change America's mind about Warren. It will only give the asshole a platform. Plus, Warren and Obama are "friends," remember? You don't make "friends" with someone you don't have a lot in common with.

Whatever the motive, it was still a boneheaded and insensitive decision on Obama's part.
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marylanddem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:57 PM
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2. Absofuckinglutely correct.


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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 12:59 PM
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3. "It will only give the asshole a platform." I'll have to agree.
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 01:00 PM by madeline_con
another spell edit :eyes:


Everybody who didn't hear about the guy after the courtroom shooting, or the Saddleback forum are scrambling to read all they can about him. I hope he only gets fifteen minutes, and then fades back into the obscurity from whence he came.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:55 PM
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7. I'm too sleepy to be posting.
I've had to post and then edit and then repost a longish reply to someone because I thought I had answered the wrong person in the wrong thread in the wrong tab and my reply made no sense, just like this one makes no sense.

Good night. :hi:
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 02:37 PM
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8. In my experience you need to shine a light on them before you can squash them.
Possibly that dynamic is in play.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 02:51 PM
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10. Politics is sometimes bloody
What matters is that the blood be kept to a minimum.

And how elite of you to determine, against common sense, that America will not change it's mind. The education about the buttwipe is getting out here. And you sit there and claim it won't matter? Education doesn't matter? If that isn't an new elite position, what is?
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 12:23 AM
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11. Excuse me, but I work two jobs and I'm putting myself through school right now
not only that, but my father grew up in atrailer park and my family barely rose above that income level my entire life. i just got off a shift at a restaurant where I scooped up garbage, took out the trash in below zero temperatures, and the garbage bag broke and spilled fish guts, trashwater, and assorted other filthy smelly nastiness all over me. I walked the two miles or so back to my one-room apartment without being able to wash myself, stinking like a goddamn landfill, with a hole in my left shoe that kept letting in the snow. When I got home, I took off my coat, went to the fridge and saw that there was nothing to eat, so I had to put on my coat again and walk to the supermarket, where I bought a bag of rice, on which I will subsist for the next week.

And you want to sit in your comfy chair and call ME elitist? You have some fuckin' nerve.
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stevietheman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 12:28 AM
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12. David Duke had a big platform for a while too, and look what happened.
He is as marginalized as can be.
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 09:37 AM
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18. I have plenty of friends I don't have a lot in common with.
I have some friend with which I disagree on every single issue. Literally. But aside from that, we get along.

Sometimes it works like that. I don't hold purity tests for my friends.
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:16 PM
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4. What Obama Didn't Tell Rick Warren
The Rick Warren speech will be immediately followed by the Rick Warren shoe throwing contest. :evilgrin:

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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:54 PM
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6. That would be fun.
:evilgrin:
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:17 PM
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5. delusional
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 02:45 PM
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9. Someone else started a thread saying the exact same thing. I'll post the same thing on this
one that I posted on the other one. We who raised our voices get the credit for exposing Warren for what he is. Obama never expected this flap. Why he did not expect it is a mystery and somewhat disturbing. However, he did not expect it.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 09:46 AM
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20. Thank you.
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gblady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 10:14 AM
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22. do you have a source....
that states Barack did not expect a flap???
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yowzayowzayowza Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 05:45 PM
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24. I not only think he expected the uproar, but...
has no problem with his magnanimous gesture being used as an attack vector.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 12:31 AM
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13. The more people find out about Warren, the worst it makes Obama look
If you sleep with dogs, you'll catch fleas. Obama has lots of Warren's fleas.
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 09:39 AM
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19. And that seems to make you incredibly happy...
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 08:51 AM
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14. If he had any decent regard for Obama
he would drop out.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 09:07 AM
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16. If Obama had enough regard for gays and women, he'd withdraw HIS invitation.
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 03:33 PM
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23. Without a doubt. And I wish he would
May he never make this tin-eared, bone-headed and backward misstep again.

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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 08:55 AM
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15. If something good comes from this, it's not what Obama had planned...
But we'll take it anyway.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 09:34 AM
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17. the smartest in the room
are those who are exposing Warren and holding Obama accountable. Had we listened to the other crowd here, Warren would be doing a self promoting press tour as Obama's Pastor, without a word spoken against him. Obama says nothing but good things about Warren, and stands with him rather than with his supporters. If this is some sort of tactic, as some like to think, well clearly the only way that works is if WE do the shouting, if we shine the light of truth.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-22-08 10:07 AM
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21. It's nice to see some good coming out of the boneheaded move. n/t
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