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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 09:12 AM
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Rick Warren has said that only FIVE issues are non-negotiable:
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 09:50 AM by Sarah Ibarruri
k & r if you agree

http://www.daylightatheism.org/2008/12/rick-warren-sham...


"...In fact, WARREN HAS SAID THAT ONLY FIVE ISSUES ARE "NON-NEGOTIABLE" - his opposition to abortion, stem-cell research, cloning, gay rights and euthanasia - which puts him firmly in the camp of the other religious hatemongers....

Warren has been a dedicated enemy of marriage equality, equating gay rights to incest and pedophilia, and was a fervent supporter of the pro-bigotry Proposition 8. He is against civil unions for gay couples.

He's also rabidly anti-choice, comparing abortion to the Holocaust (source).

Just for good measure, he's said that atheists are not qualified for the presidency

And, oh yes, he's a creationist."
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 09:16 AM
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1. Well then - fuck HIM very much...
Get him off OUR stage at OUR Inaugural!
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 09:17 AM
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2. I agree and I'm getting really pissed off at those who say this is no big deal nt
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 09:26 AM
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3. How about the "it will cure his bigotry" theory.
I can't even get pissed off about that one as it is too stupid.
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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 09:49 AM
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9. Absolutely. There is NO reason for our taxes to pay for this man to speak to us! nt
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 05:46 PM
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51. Yeah right.....
If a gay fireman pulled Rick Warren out of a burning house, he'd probably say "Thanks for saving my life, but you're still going to Hell".

Bigots like him don't WANT to be cured.
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 09:26 AM
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4. So, Anyone That Does Not Believe As He Does ... Makes Him A Decided
Bigot and Racist with Discrimination tendencies!
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 09:46 AM
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8. No, anyone that believes as he does IS a bigot with dicrimination tendencies.
Let's not "straw man" this, shall we?
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:04 AM
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13. We Said The Same Thing Two Ways
eom
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lostnotforgotten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:04 AM
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14. Dupe - Delete
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 10:05 AM by lostnotforgotten
eom
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Yotun Donating Member (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 09:32 AM
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5. He said atheists are unfit for ANY public office, not just the presidency
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 09:35 AM
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6. That really gets to me and I am very religious
Any politician should be allowed to be atheist and hold public office, there is no law prohibiting that. Jerk.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:14 AM
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22. I find it amazing that it's still such an issue.
We certainly have plenty of atheists in politics in the UK, including the current Foreign Secretary. And this is in a country where we *don't* have official church/state separation! Aren't religious tests for office prohibited in the American Constitution?
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ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:37 PM
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60. Religious tests are often conducted in the minds of voters.
It sucks but it's true.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 09:44 AM
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7. Check mate.
For the people who still believe that right wing fundamentalists can be "reasoned" with by being "brought to the table," here is proof that they cannot be moved on these issues.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 09:51 AM
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10. What proof?
I see no proof that they can't be moved.

Hell, lots of us ten years ago never thot a black man would ever be elected as prez in our lifetimes.
To say that no one changes or can be changed is going against the very idea of evolution. Are you now ready to deny evolution happens?
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:00 AM
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12. Perhaps the term "Non-negotiable"?
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:06 AM
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15. Yep.
It is kind of hard to argue any other point when he himself says those views are non-negotiable.
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:14 AM
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21. Heh. Doesn't get much clearer, does it? Take it one step further all the issues
he has taken up in an attempt to gain some sort of credibility for those who share those views ARE negotiable. Hunger, AIDS, poverty, homelessness, whatever else he quickly snatched up to drown out the the criticisms pointing to the lack of social justice concern among fundies...all negotiable.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:08 AM
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18. One asshole
Does not the whole make. To attribute to a whole group of people what just one of them says is just plain stupid.

Evolution is the only non-negotiable.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 11:54 AM
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34. He's not the only asshole from the right hand side of the aisle.
It REALLY stinks over there.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 08:10 PM
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56. So the bright plan is to give the asshole the specially privileged place, is it?
No, that would be an incredibly dumb plan. Shame Obama went for it.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:06 AM
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16. Non-negotiable. n/t
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54anickel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:28 AM
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26. "Lots of us"? A mere "ten years ago"? Oh my, thank goodness no one from that
"lots of us" group was given front and center stage back in the 90's.
And WTF does evolution have to do with this? Are you saying we just need to be patient and tolerant of bigotry for freakin' generations?
I think your slip is showing. :eyes:
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:32 AM
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28. What does evolution have to do with this?
Life is evidence of evolution. And you are so fixated one one little burp that you can't see that elementary fact?
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:39 AM
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29. There is a difference between believing something won't happen and being determined to keep it from
happening.

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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 09:56 AM
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11. There is no reasoning with bigots - that's why LAWS had to be passed to give blacks rights
THE LAWS BYPASSED THE BIGOTS.

It's horrific that our tax dollars are paying a bigot and homophobe to speak to us in OUR inauguration.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:07 AM
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17. Exactly n/t
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:12 AM
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19. Even worse
Our tax dollars are being used to shock and awe Iraqi citizens. Kill innocents and keep Saudi Arabian kings from swinging from the gallows.

But glad to see that you are beginning to understand how bad things really are.
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:13 AM
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20. What you stated has nothing to do with Warren...
:shrug:
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:22 AM
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23. Thanks
You just showed the good people how myopic one can be.

Do you not think Warren supports shock and awe?
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:24 AM
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25. No, you showed how eager you are to throw up straw men...
:eyes:
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:29 AM
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27. So
You don't care about the innocent Iraqis our tax dollars are killing? You'd rather just forget them? They are nothing to you but straw men?
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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:41 AM
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31. Start a thread about them - I'll be happy to recommend it...
This thread is about Rick Warren. :eyes:
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:43 AM
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32. Oh
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 10:43 AM by BeFree
I guess you want me STFU and go away?

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Dennis Donovan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:44 AM
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33. You really suck at this...
:rofl:
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 06:22 PM
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54. desperation
These ever-evolving arguments (speaking of evolution) against the critics of the Warren selection are a sign of desperation, in my opinion.

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Sarah Ibarruri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 05:38 PM
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48. I am understanding it. It takes me a while but eventually I get it :-) nt
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 02:03 PM
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46. Yep....
...I totally agree. I believe the correct phrase is:

"One cannot bargain with Hitler."
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:24 AM
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24. Honestly, I'd much rather have Rev. Wright speak.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 10:39 AM
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30. Me too - by far. I actually agree with the stuff Wright says.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:26 PM
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38. Wright is one of the reasons I started listening to Obama in the first place.
His church is inclusive as possible. He can go over the top but I'd rather watch him go over the top and be right as hell than listen to Warren be jovially hateful in a low key way. He's slime. He should be out jacking bicycles and selling them at the flea market.
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 05:48 PM
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52. Me too. I could see myself being casual friends with Rev Wright....
but I'd never be friends with Warren.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:15 PM
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35. AND he's a theocrat.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:24 PM
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36. He ain't humble. He struts about in those Hawaian shirts and he
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 01:29 PM by Old Crusoe
lends the impression of someone who is in air-conditioned control, with several filters of protection between him and the real America, and little or no chance that his smug assumptions will be challenged, and all avenues of objection closed by dutiful assistants.

On pretty much all issues, this guy is about as Far Right as it gets in the socio-political spectrum in the United States.

McCain sounded kind of feeble out at the Saddleback event, even though I suspect he had not in fact been kept in a "cone of silence" backstage. I don't even know what a cone of silence IS. Has anybody ever seen one?

And then, even hearing the questions in advance, McCain still wasn't up to the task of answering them, while Obama, who likely had no idea what he would be asked, did quite well.

The take-away point for me in that wasn't just that McCain was hopelessly dense and inarticulate, since we all knew that already, but that Warren thought he could make Obama stumble on "New Testament" issues, and learned swiftly that if anything, Obama knows those texts as well (or better?) than Warren does.

So little Rick is going to have to bulk up on the basics under 4 to 8 years of Barack Obama in the White House. Obama's administration is not anything like Warren's sycophants that pack that megachurch every Sunday.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:28 PM
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39. "Air conditioned control" -- that's exactly it. He'd freak up one wall
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 01:29 PM by sfexpat2000
and down the other if the power ever went out. Precisely!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:30 PM
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40. Hey there. Happy Sunday, Happy Solstice.
Yep. Ol' Rick likes to be in control, seems to me.

I think instead of referring to him as "Evangelical leader", the press should start calling him "Christian Kingpin" Rick Warren.


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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:25 PM
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37. "Non-negotiable"? Exactly with whom does he think he is "negotiating", as if he has any power?
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 01:26 PM by WinkyDink
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 02:10 PM
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47. Maybe he thinks he actually DOES speak for gawd?
Too funny...wait until the idiot finds out it's all a fairy tale!

LOL... :evilgrin:
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 08:19 PM
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57. More like thinks he IS God.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:32 PM
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41. Well that puts all of the Warren-supporters in their place.
Oh, wait. There aren't any here.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:45 PM
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42. I wonder if this pompous ass said anything public about Bush's invasion.
I mean, where's the priorities? And where are the guts that these religious figures should be displaying?

Damn. And this comes from someone who thought his book was phenomenal. I've learned a lot this week.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:49 PM
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43. He's just opposed to reality
Reality has a known liberal bias you know...
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 01:53 PM
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44. But isn't it wonderful that he is now included in the "democratic" mainstream?
Reaching across divides to include those ideals shows something about Obama, doesn't it?
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 02:01 PM
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45. Thank gawd...
...my position on these issues is 180 degrees from that homophobic asshole.

Tells me that I must be on the right track! :hi:
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 05:43 PM
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49. Well those fit right in with Democratic Party principles.
:sarcasm:

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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 05:45 PM
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50. K&R, BTW. Excellent work Sarah Ibarruri
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 05:54 PM
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53. Cloning? Really?
Wow, the guy really *does* lack a basic science education.

Is he convinced that pairs of twins go to hell, or does just one twin go to hell, or what?
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 07:44 PM
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55. "And, oh yes, he's a creationist."
As are some of your brothers and sisters here on DU.

And I'd venture to say most if not all of us support gay marriage.

We're not all evil. :)
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 08:44 PM
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58. Warren is an opportunistic piece of shit
Edited on Sun Dec-21-08 08:52 PM by ismnotwasm
And out of his biblically correct, cloven hoofed-rabbitass mind.

I just read the bible. I did, cover to cover. I've done it before, several times, but I took my time, I tried to be fair, but I read it the way someone who believed in the inerrancy of the bible would have to, every word literally true. I believe Warren supports this type of reading.

In a literal reading, It's a very long story about a vicious psychotic God who after torturing his chosen people, letting Satan fuck with them,(Gotta love the book of Job)repeatedly committing wholesale genocide as well as other atrocities-- making up rules as he goes along--- thinks having his Son slaughtered makes a dandy encore. His Son makes repeated warnings of a deadly place of eternal torment--eternal means forever doesn't it? For those with the wrong attitude. And the whole thing ends up with a acid trip end of the world type scene complete with seals, special numbers, harlots, trumpets, angels etc. With again the torture and suffering of uncountable human beings.

I found no beauty (I have before)I found no truth (I have before)reading it in this way, only hate and torment, confusion and insanity. And a bunch of meaningless fucked up 'rules' (Hey did you know women aren't supposed to teach?)

So my conclusion is anyone who thinks the bible is inerrant, and then proceeds to use it as a moral guide is a)out of their rabbitass mind b)An opportunistic piece of shit c)both

Since my choice is c, I think that disgusting motherfucker has no business near the politics of the US. I'd cross the street to avoid him on a dark night for sure.


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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 08:46 PM
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59. There is an old saying that goes something like this....
"Meet people where they are, and take them where you want them to go." I likely slaughtered the original comment, but you get my drift.

Warren has said he's "fine" with the idea of Civil Unions. Imagine a National recognition of same sex unions for a moment. Might someone like Warren help us get there? I understand the arguments for full equality and I support them. But, at times a step forward is better than digging in our heels.

That said ...

I think Warren should apologize for his offensive/ignorant remarks likening same sex marriage to inc*st etc. I feel that if he did so, he'd have the opportunity to "teach" and reach those who make the same absurd comparisons. Not sure that will happen, but it certainly should if he's going to continue in the role Obama had in mind for him.
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