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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:20 PM
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As An Atheist
I think having a prayer, any prayer by anyone at a government function is idiotic.

Warren is a bigoted ass. From what I have seen of religion, all of it, it is full of such people. Why does a society condone any of it?

I will be watching the Inauguration and I will ignore the benediction and the closing prayer. They are talking to some secret sky being and have thrown science right out the window. Fuck 'em.


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harry_pothead Donating Member (752 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:24 PM
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1. K & R
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:25 PM
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2. As an Agnosic, I send a shout out!
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:28 PM
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6. !
I find it all quite annoying.

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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:26 PM
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3. i'm an atheist too.
like bill maher says "people believe in a talking snake". he calls the bible "the book of old jewish fairy tales".
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:27 PM
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4. I too think there should be no prayers
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:27 PM
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5. As an agnostic, I propose dumping both Warren and Lowery and instead putting Yoko in to sing Imagine
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:29 PM
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7. She has
such a beautiful voice. :)
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:29 PM
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9. That would be a sin.
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DesertFlower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 03:16 PM
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19. what a great idea.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:29 PM
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8. To the Greatest Page with you!!
And normally I would be ok with a nice Episcopalian ritual because it seems to be insisted on as tradition. But this pick just highlights all the things that make me glad I'm an atheist.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:33 PM
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10. Honestly
I would be fine with having a Native American Shaman do a healing/cleansing ritual. Talking to trees and rocks makes more sense to me.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:36 PM
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12. Good point.
Having a Native American shaman would be really reaching out, considering the history of this nation. Seriously.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:34 PM
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11. He's not interested in bringing people like you together
Though I get be told over and over again how he's "doing just what he said." Bullshit. He's caterng to the far right Christians just like Bush did. No other religion is even condsidered.

And I agree with you of course, though I have a fondness for prayer, and have no relgion myself. The prayers should not be led (at the least) by those with overt political agendas.
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:36 PM
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13. I find it offensive...
that we have to compromise with religious extremists.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:42 PM
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15. Me too
it's crazy to pander to the fucking lunes. Why not have a witch doctor jump around with a flagellating, dying chicken to win over the zombie population.
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:39 PM
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14. Another big K & R
I think the Star Spangled Banner is idiotic at sporting events
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:45 PM
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16. I do too
call me an unpatriotic ass but no one gets me to say the pledge of allegiance ever. I stand up just so my husband doesn't faint from embarrassment.
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alwysdrunk Donating Member (908 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 02:46 PM
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17. Get over it
Seriously, one atheist to another, looking forward to day when religion has no part in government and a very large part in society is a waste of brain power. We will all be long dead when that day comes.
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reggie the dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 03:17 PM
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20. Why long dead?
We have no prayers at government functions in France. The president never says the French for "god bless France" and god has no trust in euro notes and coins which carry the French mint mark. Only about a third of France is athiest, the other two thirds belive. Nearly half the country is Christian.

As for Christmas and Easter, however, they are still holidays, but that is more about us not wanting them to take away days for which we are paid but do not work.
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alwysdrunk Donating Member (908 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 05:29 PM
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37. France wasn't founded on Puritanism
France has been founded five times over, each time giving the church (mostly unified) a less and less role in society.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 03:03 PM
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18. 90% of Americans have a religion. 3%-4% are atheists.
Edited on Sat Dec-20-08 03:04 PM by onehandle
I don't necessarily think that there has be a prayer, but it is certain that there always will be one.

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Coexist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 03:26 PM
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22. 12% are atheists, not 3-4%, 84% Christians
Edited on Sat Dec-20-08 03:27 PM by FLDem5
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 03:38 PM
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25. The lions share of that percentage are agnostics. Not the same.
But there are so many polls that contradict each other online that I'll gift you 12%.

Still, a small minority.

There will always be prayers at the inauguration.


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Genevieve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 08:01 PM
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41. I can't agree that it would be considered such a small minority, when, for example, in America:
Edited on Sat Dec-20-08 08:01 PM by Genevieve
African Americans make up 12.3% of the United States population,

Jews consitute approximately 2.5% of the US population,

the GLBT community encompasses 1.51 % of the population.


I would say, all thing considered, atheists are a pretty sizeable minority.

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Genevieve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 03:33 PM
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24. Americans WithOUT Religion: the THIRD largest denomination in the United States.
Percentages Per State (some states not counted)

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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 03:40 PM
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26. That's a pretty gif.
I can find lots of pretty gifs online.
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ArbustoBuster Donating Member (956 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 05:05 PM
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31. I think you're saying (in your own way) that you want a reference...
...for the prevalence of atheism in the United States.

Here are a few:
http://www.usatoday.com/graphics/news/gra/gnoreligion/f...
http://people-press.org/reports/pdf/312.pdf
http://pewforum.org/publications/reports/poll2002.pdf

The first of these links has a state-by-state breakdown of people who stated they were atheists, and it's in line with the information given in Genevieve's post.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 05:21 PM
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33. No religion does not equal atheist.
But thanks for playing.
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Kitsune Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 05:09 PM
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32. Oregon overtook us Washingtonians again?!
Onoes! We'll have to work harder up here. ;)
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mondo joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 05:23 PM
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34. 100% of Americans masturbate. Doesn't mean you need to do it at the inauguration.
:shrug:
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 05:29 PM
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38. LOLOLOL!
Damn, that's funny.
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cabluedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 08:54 AM
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47. Most X-ians dont walk the walk Jesus taught, IME. n/t
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 03:25 PM
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21. It's too bad you feel that way.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 08:34 PM
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44. Why?
Am I going to go to Hell?
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 03:27 PM
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23. It is indeed idiocy, but we're in the minority for thinking so.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 03:44 PM
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27. Ahh, but it's the fastest growing minority.
There is hope.
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QueenOfCalifornia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 11:44 PM
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45. exactly!
More and more people are coming to the conclusion that believing in a god makes very little sense. It took my quite a while - I kept looking for the religion du jour that could fill a void and make me, somehow, complete. When I decided I was wasting my time, I realized there was no void to fill in the shape of a god. I felt so much better. It is the best thing ever to realize that we are not living at the whim of an invisible big blue guy in the sky.

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Stardust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 03:47 PM
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28. K&R!
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DevonRex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 03:50 PM
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29. I don't want the prayers either. If the various groups had just stayed
out of everybody's business, I would have just ignored them. But they're not doing that anymore. So I think it's time for them to stop being allowed to participate.
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gmudem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 04:01 PM
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30. There should be absolutely no prayers.
If people want to ask for favors from an invisible spaceman, they should do that on their own time and not on the day of the presidential inauguration.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 05:24 PM
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35. as an atheist i just want to be left alone, i don't try and unconvert people or mock
their beliefs, i'd like the same treatment, i don't think that's too much to ask.
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zippy890 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 05:28 PM
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36. agreed. There shouldn't be any religious speeches

they offend me. all of them.

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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 05:30 PM
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39. Liar! You believe in the FSM!
Edited on Sat Dec-20-08 05:30 PM by IndianaGreen
His Noodly Appendage has touched your soul!

I belong to the FSM Marinera Sect. :-)
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 08:08 PM
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42. rAMEN!
Seriously. Instead of a prayer, how about taking three minutes to make some ramen?

Maybe if the official presidential ramen chefs were dressed like pirates, it would help reduce global warming?
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 05:30 PM
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40. AMEN to that!
;)
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riderinthestorm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-20-08 08:33 PM
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43. K and fucking R. I have such limited time to post these days. Let alone comment.
And this one really caught my eye.

Why do we need to inject religiosity into the inaugural?! I do NOT get it. And somehow it has to be Rick Fucking Warren with his hideous homophobic and anti-women/Jewish theology?! Crap!!

You know, I was giving Obama the benefit of doubt on his cabinet appts etc. but this one is sheer craziness.
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 02:48 AM
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46. K & R couldn't agree more
:kick:
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-21-08 09:56 AM
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48. Totally agree....as an atheist, I do not agree with religious prayers at any state function.
And in the case of Warren, it is adding insult to injury to have that homophobic POS involved in this program in any manner.
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