Should a President who believes that life begins at conception...

[Tom Rinaldo]

...be at all inclusive of those who support a right to an abortion?

[The Magistrate]

1. He Or She Should Be, Sir, But Doubtless Would Not Be

That is the difference between liberals and conservatives, for better or worse....

[Tom Rinaldo]

2. Nice. So much said in so few words. n/t

[grantcart]

13. Makes you wonder who will play him in "DU the Movie"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8012906&mesg_id=8012906

[Sarah Ibarruri]

3. Excellent question. Thank you. nt K & R

[boomerbust]

4. Matt. 5 : 44

Matt. 5:44 But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you...

[ensho]

5. does Obama believe life begins at conception?

if so, he needs some scientific education.

life begins after delivery when the baby takes the FIRST breath of air and lives to breath another and another. at that point the baby is a live new human. before the first breath of air it is not a live human.

air is the trigger between life and death.

(and said world air is getting dirtier and more polluted by the minute)

[galaxy21]

6. Its viability with me, more than anything else

I think people just say 'life begins at birth' to avoid answering difficult questions.

Someone on here who taught science had a good anology 'life begins at conception, your life begins at 24 weeks.'

[mondo joe]

7. I'm 100% pro choice but I don't buy that.

There is no fixed empirical definition that addresses these matters.

[ensho]

8. its pretty fixed. if you don't breath air you don't live

that's pretty fixed.

[mondo joe]

9. Oh stop. An 8 month old fetus is viable whether it's breathing independently

or not.

Breathing is not the only qualifier of life.

[ensho]

18. really?!

nt

[Brooklyns_Finest]

11. Wow

That is pretty disturbing. I am as pro choice as the next guy, but the idea that life begins when you take your first breath is vile to say the least.

[ensho]

19. vile? its reality.

nt

[galaxy21]

20. I think you want to believe that,

Because it makes it easier to be pro choice. If its not alive before its born, then there's no problem.


Look, I'm pro choice, but I'll admit that there are moral issues there. The way I reconcile it is: once its reaches viability, it is an independent life form it has rights of its own. Prior to that, it's entirely the mother's decision, and 24 weeks is plenty of time for a woman to make up her mind. And I do find it hard to say that a third trimestor fetus isn't a person.

I think people who believe in no restrictions whatsoever, just refuse to think seriously about the issue.

[Sex Pistol]

10. Life does begin at conception. Isn't a zygote a living cell?

[MH1]

12. So is a sperm, or an ovum.

So I guess every month that a woman doesn't conceive, she is "destroying life"!

ETA: and I don't have any idea how you handle all those poor living sperm that don't win the contest.

[Liberal Veteran]

14. Every sperm is sacred!

:D

[Sex Pistol]

17. That is true, but ovum and sperm cells are haploid cells.

A zygote is a diploid cell, which has two sets of homologous chromosomes as opposed to the one set of chromosomes found in haploid cells. Human beings are comprised of diploid cells; thus, it is a scientific fact that human life beings at conception.

[Honeycombe8]

16. True. The issue really is...when does HUMAN life begin. There's a difference. nt

[mtnsnake]

21. Then why can't anyone who is pregnant claim the embryo as a dependent on their tax forms?

:shrug:

[Honeycombe8]

15. Inclusive in what way? nt

[Celeborn Skywalker]

22. The two positions aren't mutally exclusive.

I am a male and don't like the idea of abortion but I would never presume to tell a woman what she can do with her own body. I don't think my personal opinion should be used to legislate against womens' bodies.

[Tom Rinaldo]

23. I understand your position

It is one of a number that people can hold. I have mixed feelings about abortion and I fully support a woman's right to choose. But some sincerely take the position that abortion is legalized murder, even if they can understand that those who support abortion do not see it as the taking of a human life.

If someone who has that particular belief system should get elected President, as President of all Americans should he or she be expected to give those who are pro-choice some space in his or her administration when they share agreement on other important matters?

[Celeborn Skywalker]

24. It's hard to say.

I would naturally say, yes, he should give space to pro-choicers but if I were a Republican I'm sure I would feel differently. I'm really not sure.

[Tom Rinaldo]

25. Yep, it's kind of the crux of the matter, from a different perspective n/t