just so i'm clear, who's on the 'eat shit and go away' list of our new and improved uniter?

[whirlygigspin]

Ok, I know GLBT people, sorry (whiners, yes we know)

Howard Dean and the deaniacs (sounds like a band)

who am I missing?

I keep feeling like saying 'where's the beef?'

where's the change? "I am the change" is that fucking it???

You've got to be kidding me, did we go through all this just to empower the Chicago Misogynist boys and make fundies 'comfortable' about their prejudices?

is that really it?

No progressives, no Dean, no gays, no change and back to the same fucking old screed about family values just so a few people can feel superior and show how big their bags are?



*****

Rick fuckin Warren?
if Obama really wanted to include everyone he'd have invited Alice Walker, or something.

[cali]

1. oh hyperbole.

yes there are Gay and lesbians in Obama's admin. Yeah there are progressives, albeit not as many as I'd like to see. Yes, his warren choice is indefensible. I can see huge changes ahead from bushco. Sorry you can't.

Oh, and he invited Elizabeth Alexander. You clearly don't have a clue as to who she is.

[whirlygigspin]

6. ah yes, the poet from Yale

Good choice, reaching out to Yale, I know how they have been so oppressed, glad they are included.

[cali]

10. What the fuck? Do you have a clue how silly that sounds?

So anyone in any way connected with Yale can't possibly have suffered oppression. Yikes. Grab a clue.

[whirlygigspin]

12. I mean no disrespect to Yale

Some of my best friends are from Yale, I even invite them to dinner at my home, I am not anti-Yale

I'm sure their suffering is equal to anyone else's.

I'm glad they are included.

Inclusion is a good thing.

Unity is good

Sorry that you choose to defend dis-unity and exclusion

Maybe that's all you can see

I only see the choices made so far by the DLC Chicago Emmanuel gang as self-serving and predictable.

Good for them, I hope they don't expect any Dean people or GLBT people to turn out for them four years from now.

-just sayin'

[cali]

14. Sorry you're full of it. I have NOT supported disunity or exlustion

fucking read my posts on the subject. I have called you teh stupid.

[whirlygigspin]

16. You calling me the stupid?

Well that's a fine argument.

should we try flinging poo next?

That might the help

[cali]

17. no, I'm not. I'm calling it stupid as a pile of dogshit

to make the claim that Elizabeth Alexander doesn't represent anything but elitism. (oh yes you did). I'm calling it stupid to make false accusations- to wit, that I support disunity and exclusion. You? I have no idea whether your smart or not.

[chimpymustgo]

22. Can you share a little about her background? I heard her read a poem on NPR the other day,

after the announcement about the Inauguration poem. She was introduced as a professor of African American literature. Not much more given in Wikipedia.

[LaydeeBug]

19. wow. talk about hyperbole.

[WillParkinson]

2. I deplore his choice of Rick Warren...

However I won't tell him to go away. Yet.

He's still better than Mr. McCain though I do worry about to what extent.

[Jamastiene]

5. we are the ones who are being told to go away, shut up, etc.

[WillParkinson]

8. Yes we are...

Though if Mr. McCain had gotten into office where would the GLBT community be?

Don't misunderstand. This event, for me, takes a huge amount of credibility away from Mr. Obama and it tarnishes the proceedings. It also makes me wonder what other things he will do that will impact the community in either a negative or positive tone.

I will not watch the inauguration. I have sent my letters of rebuke. And, for the moment, I will not trust Mr. Obama's judgment.

I will say, however, that the thing that irritates me the most about this issue is this: "President-elect Barack Obama on Thursday defended his choice of a popular evangelical minister to deliver the invocation at his inauguration, rejecting criticism that it slights gays." How so, sir? Please tell me because, for the life of me, I just don't know how.

[Jamastiene]

9. I don't see one bit of difference between the two when it comes to gay rights,

to be completely honest with you. Either way we are bring told to STFU.

[WillParkinson]

11. The only difference...

At least that I can see, is that Mr. McCain campaigned for the amendment to the constitution on a federal level.

And THAT, for now, is the only reason that I would rather have Mr. Obama. But these bad decisions make even that difficult.

[WeDidIt]

24. McCain OPPOSED the Amendment to the constitution banning gay marriage

Citation

McCain: Same-sex marriage ban is un-Republican
Wednesday, July 14, 2004 Posted: 4:29 PM EDT (2029 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Republican Sen. John McCain of Arizona broke forcefully with President Bush and the Senate GOP leadership Tuesday evening over the issue of same-sex marriage, taking to the Senate floor to call a constitutional amendment that would effectively ban the practice unnecessary -- and un-Republican.

"The constitutional amendment we're debating today strikes me as antithetical in every way to the core philosophy of Republicans," McCain said. "It usurps from the states a fundamental authority they have always possessed and imposes a federal remedy for a problem that most states do not believe confronts them."

The proposed amendment died Wednesday after a procedural vote to move the measure to the Senate floor failed 48-50, or 12 votes short of the 60 required by Senate rules.

<snip>

McCain and Obama differed on a lot of issues near and dear to me, but their stances on this particular issue were nearly identical.

[WillParkinson]

27. Ack...

My bad. Apologies all around.

I should have said supporting the California Prop 8 amendment.

(On edit: Oops, I did it again...)

[Shiver]

28. McCain supported Prop 8

As well as Arizona Proposition 107 in 2006. He doesn't support civil unions, supports Don't Ask, Don't Tell, voted for DOMA and voted against the Employment Non-Discrimination Act.

His opposition to the federal ban was because he thinks states should make the decisions for themselves.

[nichomachus]

3. I don't agree with the GOP

but I know where they stand. I can prepare for them and try to fight them.

With Obama, you never know. It's a day to day thing. He says he's your friend one day and then he stabs you in the back the next day. Then, he's your friend the next day. That's a shitty way to live.

[Jamastiene]

7. It's a VERY shitty way to live.

We just never know when we are going to be blindsided with a "cure." That's the worst part. That's what those types are really like. I live in the Bible Belt and deal with them first hand. I was forced into the "ex-gay" thing back when I was younger. I can say from first hand experience that rape is fine and dandy with them. All that "little gal needs is the right man to turn her straight!"

Hell would be an upgrade compared to having to deal with those types of people. Gay teens aren't the only ones who think about suicide. Adult gay people think about it too. Think about it a lot when you have to deal with those types of people on a daily basis. Death would be better than life with them. Hell for eternity would be better than one more second of them. Anyone who is fine with them is no friend of mine, nor will they ever be.

[mondo joe]

23. He actually says he's a "fierce advocate" for gays. He was a "fierce" fundraiser with gays,

but I haven't seen the advocacy yet.

[Jamastiene]

4. Don't forget women are on the eat shit and die list.

How dare she run against him, that cunt! Burn her and all "bitter" white women at the stake!

Same shit, different politician, same lies and bullshit, more of the same.

[boppers]

13. 9/11 twoofers

Chemtrails folks.

[whirlygigspin]

15. care to elaborate...

to your fascinatingly cryptic post?

[boppers]

29. People with perspectives outside the usual narrative.

Twoofer/Chemtrail (and other) narratives often assume government is inherently extremely dangerous, that large agencies or organizations are not to be trusted, and that extremes must be taken before one can assume otherwise.

Put another way, libertarian liberals who are disturbed by unaccountable government seem to be "on the list".

[JVS]

18. I smell cats

[girl gone mad]

20. Rawlsians. n/t

[AllentownJake]

21. Unions aren't there

but they always end up on there sometime.

[Name removed]

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[mondo joe]

26. Atheists. Bush was the first President/Minister combo, and now...

[ecstatic]

30. by your standard, women and jews too. But unlike you,

I don't see the worst in Obama's intentions. I think he means well.

[Phx_Dem]

31. Obama hasn't thrown over gays, but keep wallowing in your self pity.

if it makes you feel good.

[mondo joe]

32. Prove it. NT

[Phx_Dem]

33. Well that's intelligent., and right back atchya since he hasn't

even been sworn in yet. But that hasn't stopped you from bitching incessantly since he was elected that he hasn't done enough. You are beyond the pale.

Here's a brand new Website for people like you who can do nothing but bitch about Obama before he even takes the oath of office.

Knock yourself out.

http://ithoughtobamawouldgetmelaid.com/index.php3

[mondo joe]

34. He hasn't been sworn in. But one of his few acts has been to utterly dis GLBT people.

So that's all we've got to go on.

[Phx_Dem]

35. Oh please. Don't be so fucking dramatic. It's prayer.

[mondo joe]

37. What else do I have to go on? The very day he becomes President is kicked off

by someone who championed Prop 8, and equates gays with child molesters.

Got something else?

[debbierlus]

39. True. Tough to throw over gays when you were never for giving them equal rights in the 1st place

Whiney gay people. Wanting to be treated as equal citizens...

Yeah. Be quiet.

[Freddie Stubbs]

36. Rod Blagojevich

[cbc5g]

38. cannabis users are always on the "eat shit and die" list

always gotta watch out, the medicine that keeps ya going can put you in jail. At least others who Obama won't fight for don't have to worry about jail.