Minnesota Canvassing Board breaks for the night Coleman + 5 now discussing important issues

[grantcart]

Continuing the thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7999618


They will now be discussing "blue file" "green file" issues

Watch it live here: http://www.startribune.com/video/?ls1=1&elr=KArksDyycyUtyycyUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUU


Blue File Ballots are those without duplicates. Franken wants them counted Coleman does not.


The Supreme Court also has to rule on about 1500 Absentee ballots that were submitted correctly but not counted. Franken wants them counted Coleman does not.


All Coleman has done is succeeded in wasting everyone's time with frivolous challenges

[democrattotheend]

1. I thought they extended to 5:30

And are just taking a break right now.

[grantcart]

3. when they return they will be discussing "blue" and "green" files

Blue files include all of the ballots where the original ballot and the copy have become seperated


Green files include incident related ballots - custody, challenges were not allowed etc.


The Franken has 339 challenges in the Green file

[cliffordu]

36. This is better than ANYTHING Dick Clark ever did on Bandstand!!!!!!!

:rofl:

[Muttocracy]

6. that's what the crawler on the Strib web feed said - 5:30 Central time would be 30 min more. nt

[grantcart]

10. not canvassing on the ballots but discussing the two files containing

ballots put aside

[Muttocracy]

12. thanks, I'm late to the party :)

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

2. Coleman knows that if those ballots are included and counted, he will lose.

Repugs never want democracy. They have a disdain and hatred for Americans and the democratic process. Their entire history has been based on rule by the priviledged few, and they will argue that not everyone should be allowed to vote. Now why would they make these arguments against democracy? They do so because they know that should everyone's vote count, they would lose!

[Tatiana]

4. I am very pleased with the fight I see in the Franken campaign.

Whatever the outcome, I believe this seat will be fairly won.

[PBS Poll-435]

8. A-FREAKIN'-MEN

:thumbsup:

[Tatiana]

13. Franken is taking no prisoners. All future Democratic candidates need to take notes.

This is how you prevent Republicans from stealing elections.

[PBS Poll-435]

14. Exactly

And, if I may, is the guy with the beard and green tie come off as a little... um...

FReeperish?

[Tatiana]

15. His arrogance has pissed off the canvassing board. He's trying to tone it down now.

But I think it's too late.

[Seen the light]

5. Coleman's done

Go Al!

[grantcart]

7. They certainly look desperate

[Mabus]

9. Damn

I wanted to be the first to K&R this thread too. I'll settle for second.

:kick:

[PBS Poll-435]

11. K&R! And can the freaking FReepers get off of the feed?

Those losers are choking the tubes.

[progressoid]

18. No Kidding!

I feel like I'm on dial up!

[PBS Poll-435]

21. You're closer.

I feel like I am on carrier-pigeon!

:P

[jakem]

16. What is the argument to not count the absentees?

[grantcart]

17. Coleman's attorney will be arguing that the Canvassing board

has no authority to "recount" ballots that were not counted election night.

They may succeed on that issue. I have no idea what argument that they will put to the Supreme Court that the Supreme Court should not count validly submitted ballots.

[jakem]

19. i dont get it.. why were they not counted?

isnt the point of fair elections to count every vote for it's intent?

[grantcart]

22. it appears that a few ballots in every precincts were set aside and not counted when they should

have been.

In many places late arriving absentee ballots are counted the day after, late arriving military votes for example.

I don't think anyone thought it would even be an issue until Coleman went to the court and stopped them from being counted.

Again I think Coleman is just wasting people's time on frivolous issues that they have no hope of winning.

[jakem]

41. Thanks GC. Can always count on you to be informed.

[MinneapolisMatt]

20. K&R!!

Go AL!

[Tatiana]

23. Man, Franken's representative is AWESOME.

He's bringing up relevant facts, and nails the Coleman camp on the duplicate ballot issue.

[Muttocracy]

24. I'm liking the chief justice too - profiles of the panel:

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/senate/34372479.html

[grantcart]

25. "Your problem Mr. Trimble" doesn't sound too good for Coleman

[Muttocracy]

26. "fish or cut bait first thing in the morning" :)

[Mabus]

27. Decision is in! What is it!!!!!

[grantcart]

28. Reporters are advising that the Supreme Court has issued an injunction

from counting "improperly rejected" ballots.


Any ballots where both campaigns agree are improperly rejected can be counted.


It may be a procedural win for Coleman but eventually improperly rejected ballots will be counted.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

30. How many of these ballots are there? And how much did Franken lose?

[Barack_America]

31. Why on God's earth would a court in the US issue such a decision?

Stop counting valid ballots?

:wtf:

[grantcart]

34. stopped counting at the local level

I think the issue is that a universal standard needs to be applied and not by the local board.

Either the canvassing board or some other entity will evaluate them and count them.

I don't think that there is any possibility that they will not be counted.

[grantcart]

38. This article appears to contradict the reporters opinion and that the canvass board should count

http://www.startribune.com/politics/national/senate/36406524.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O%20<img%20src=

[Barack_America]

42. Thanks.

:hi:

[Mabus]

32. Breakdown of absentee ballots in question

2008 rejected Minnesota absentee ballots

Published Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:56 AM

Election officials are counting rejected absentee and mail ballots and grouping them according to the reason they were rejected. Some counties are not participating on the advice of legal counsel. This page will be updated weekdays at 6 p.m.

361 * Reason 1: Voter name/address on return envelope different than on absentee application.
3542 * Reason 2: Voter signature on return envelope and application do not match/or certificate not completed.
1023 * Reason 3: Voter not registered and no application card included in return application.
41 * Reason 3a: Voter not registered; however, it appears there may be a voter registration card in secrecy envelope.
191 * Reason 4: Voter already voted either in person or by absentee ballot.
723 * Reason 5: Mistakenly rejected.


LINK: http://tinyurl.com/4shnrs

[grantcart]

33. I thought that the reporters were saying that there were about 1500 mistakenly not counted

[Mabus]

35. One article at startribune says estimated 1,600

I give up. I just can't get the link to work. I did add some additional information in the post above, i.e. the paragraphs preceding the enumerated reasons:

2008 rejected Minnesota absentee ballots

Published Thursday, December 18, 2008 9:56 AM

Election officials are counting rejected absentee and mail ballots and grouping them according to the reason they were rejected. Some counties are not participating on the advice of legal counsel. This page will be updated weekdays at 6 p.m.

* Reason 1: Voter name/address on return envelope different than on absentee application.
* Reason 2: Voter signature on return envelope and application do not match/or certificate not completed.
* Reason 3: Voter not registered and no application card included in return application.
* Reason 3a: Voter not registered; however, it appears there may be a voter registration card in secrecy envelope.
* Reason 4: Voter already voted either in person or by absentee ballot.
* Reason 5: Mistakenly rejected.

LINK: http://tinyurl.com/4shnrs

[Tommy_Carcetti]

29. If only we could have been able to see this happen in Florida in 2000....

....and the US Supreme Court hadn't stepped in and stopped the recount, it would have been a great thing. Chances are very certain that we would have seen that creeping victory where Gore whittled down the margin before finally overtaking Bush.

If only...

[SharonRB]

37. This will take the place of my usual shows tonight

which are in reruns for the holidays! The suspense is killing me.

[underpants]

39. Make that 2. TWO VOTES

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3651286

[grantcart]

40. Well I think we have to stick with StarTribune's number

[Tommy_Carcetti]

43. Discussing important issues? My goodness, they must be discussing.....

....Rick Warren!

:hide:

I keed, I keed, I keed.