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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:10 PM
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The Importance of Symbolism: Obama picks Warren for WHAT?
I want to juxtapose two apparently conflicting positions:

Position One: I am a strong support of President-Elect Obama
He has shown intelligence, amazing leadership capability, a preternaturally shrewd grasp of the realities of national politics, and colossal determination to bring fundamental --and I believe mostly positive-- change to both our government and our political culture. For all of this, I am profoundly grateful, deeply respectful of his aspirations and abilities, and enthusiastically supportive of his efforts.

Position Two: I strongly disagree with some of President-Elect Obama's decisions to date
Some of the positions and policies he appears to be advancing are not sufficiently decisive and radical (in the sense of "striking to the root of the matter") to please me. And I believe this will contribute to drawing out the imposition of fundamental inequities and injustices in our society-- inequities and injustices that I feel it is important to redress quickly-- not just for philosophical but for practical reasons.

The complete equality in civil rights for my sister, my uncle, and numerous gay friends is one area where I feel "going slow," and/or any kind of compromise with those who oppose complete equality, is a profound mistake and a betrayal of the fundamental principles of our Republic.

I feel equally strong about the need to restore essential and meaningful separation between religion (a matter for individual decision-making and action) and governance (a matter for collective decision-making and action.) The incursion of narrow sectarian religious views into our national political culture and our governmental policy fills me with dread.

I do not, however, take the position that it is inappropriate to acknowledge the role that faith and religion play in the lives of the individuals we elect to represent us. In fact, that acknowledgment is both appropriate and very useful in providing insight into how those representatives approach the decisions we ask them to make on our behalf. Nor is it inappropriate to acknowledge the role that faith and religion have in the broader sense of shaping our national culture.

President-Elect Obama makes no secret of his faith: He is a Christian. He makes no secret of how that faith has shaped and influenced his development as a person and as a political leader; he makes no secret of how it forms part of his every day approach to decisions and policies. We knew all of that (if we cared to inform ourselves) from the earliest days of his candidacy. It seems to have played a (mostly) constructive role in forming the broad coalition that enabled him to win the election. And for that, I am grateful.

President-Elect Obama's Christianity is not exactly the same as my Christianity. But neither is it the same as (::shudder:: ) Sarah Palin's "Christianity." There is a broad spectrum of belief and practice among Christians and it would be foolish to ignore the differences.

So I do not believe it is inappropriate for President-Elect Obama to continue the traditional practice of having some acknowledgment of his faith play a role in the Inaugural ceremony.

And he has done something that I initially found quite disturbing: Inviting a man who represents much of what I regard as the worst of Christianity to give the Inaugural invocation.

And he confused me again by inviting a man who represents much of what I regard as the best of Christianity to give the Inaugural benediction.

President-Elect Obama is a man who is profoundly aware of the power of symbolism. So I am impelled to dig deeper: Is there a symbolic message here? Something beyond just straddling as broad a spectrum as possible? From a Biblical standpoint, the whole 'have your cake and eat it' thing is a definite no-no As the Laodiceans were told in Rev. 3:15-16: "Would you had been either cold or hot! But since you are lukewarm, neither cold nor hot, I will spew thee out from my mouth." I am certain Obama knows this much-quoted and much-invoked Biblical injunction, and so I doubt the symbolism he is trying to convey is "Cold AND Hot."

What, then?

And I wonder if there isn't a clear, intentional, but tacit message here in which preacher is delivering which part of the ceremony.

The invocation is given prior to the oath-taking. Technically, as Rev. Warren speaks, George W. Bush is President. Lord knows, Rev. Warren's narrow, bigoted interpretation of the Christian message is harmonious with Mr. Bush's views and actions. The invocation is the last gasp of the old regime. Perhaps it is an appropriate nod to exactly what we are leaving behind, to have Rev. Warren speak that last gasp. The invocation is a plea, a request to the Divine to be present. And so, Rev. Warren asks his God to be present. Perhaps in a final, desperate petition to turn the direction of the leader about to be inaugurated towards the bigotry and exclusion of the kind of "Christianity" that has infused the past Administration.

The benediction is given after the oath-taking. The benediction is about what is to come. The benedition is about the new direction: Asking the Divine to bless the newly-inaugurated leader and infuse him with a whole different kind of Christianity: A Christianity that is all about equity and justice and the ongoing fight for civil rights and inclusion. Cold TO hot?

"He that has ears to hear, let him hear."

observantly,
Bright
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:12 PM
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1. I think many here on DU are too blinded by rage to see the genius behind Warren's pick.
And I'm sure my post will get angry responses as well.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:13 PM
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3. if hanging around with fundie nutbags
and shoving them into the political spotlight is "genius"

then Georgie Butch must be an Einstein.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:16 PM
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7. Warren, even with his many flaws, represents a step in the right direction for Evangelical Christian
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 02:16 PM by GarbagemanLB
ity.

Yes, he is against giving gays the same rights as straight people, and yes he is against women having control of their bodies.

However, he realizes that the environment and taking care of the earth is important, and he realizes that poverty is a problem and an issue we must all face together.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:44 PM
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26. I see what you see
and I have a uterus whose control I very much want to keep. I'm not threatened by this because I don't see it representing any kind of legislation...

Warren's anti gay anti choice stances are the opposite of my beliefs.

People like him usually enrage me and I hate seeing them in power. But, I have a good feeling about why Obama is doing this...Something about lipstick on a pig and other moments where our guy disarmed and attacked at the same time, all while looking cool as a cucumber.

Warrne's upset followers are one example of how I see this working in our favor over the long haul.

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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 06:53 PM
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21. Oh.For.Christs.Sake.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:18 PM
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9. Not every one of Obama's boneheaded moves are "genius" - some...
...of them are just boneheaded.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:21 PM
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12. Sure. This ain't one of them, as is evident by the reaction both here and at FR.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:35 PM
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14. genius would have been to pick an intellectually respectable Evangelical minister

Warren is a self promoting anti intellectual bigot.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 03:08 PM
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15. At least that would be decent.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:11 PM
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23. agree-Warren is the Dr. Phil of evangel,fundie bigots
a respected, tolerant minister would have been a good pick.
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musette_sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:12 PM
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2. the symbol here is
"thanks for voting for me, now i need to pander to the intolerant at your expense, on what is supposed to be a momentous day"
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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:13 PM
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4. An Interesting Take On the Matter, Sir
Do we know who is delivering the benediction?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:16 PM
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8. The Reverend Dr. Joseph Lowery...
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TygrBright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:18 PM
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10. Rev. Joseph Lowery
A civil rights activist and outspoken supporter of equal rights for EVERYONE.

(And BTW, that would be "Ma'am.)

informatively,
Bright
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:20 PM
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11. A staunch advocate for gay marriage and equal rights for EVERYONE,
Dr. Lowery is anathema to the RW nutbags.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:12 PM
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24. Yeah, but that doesn't count
Dontcha know....

Any variation from what is pure is verboten.

I'd be interested as to how many of the folks who are hateful over this associate with real homophobes every day of their lives without complaint.


Stonewall was a good start. Where is the next real effort in that direction??




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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-19-08 03:36 AM
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31. sadly, CNN was told Dr Lowery called in to say he was pro-civil union NOT pro marriage equality.
not quite anathema as we hoped.


still I like tygrbright's neat view that, hey, Warren and his nutbagdouchery is during B*sh final minutes, and Lowery's prayer to God is after Obama becomes president...
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:15 PM
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5. Interesting, but I think that's digging a bit *too* deep.
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gblady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:15 PM
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6. this is very similar.....
to what a caller said on Thom H. show this morning...

the symbolism makes sense to me...
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 02:31 PM
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13. I choose to think that your insights are accurate, and what lies ahead
will steps in the correct direction...for all.
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antimatter98 Donating Member (537 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 03:14 PM
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16. Why not keep Cheney, Rumsfeld also, and have Ann Coulter as press secy?
I'm amazed at the mental and emotional gymnastics people are going through---and
take a look at Daily Kos if you think DU is bad---to justify their choice of Obama
in the light of his choices.

The truth is, his choices represent a right wing, Republican position, and a
willingness to continue the practices of the GOP and of Clintonistas--such
as Robert Rubin, his economic advisor who was CEO of Citigroup and fought for
Nafta and the repeal of Glass-Steagall in favor of the Phil Gramm, deregulate
everything act (which brought us to today).

Such as Eric Holder who defended Chiquita Brands for using mercenaries to kill
4000 laborers in Columbia while he was with a law firm.

Such as.. the list goes on.

Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran was cited as terrible by Obama, but now, both he and his
secretary of state say they will use nuclear weapons against Iran, and HRC said
in her campaign she would 'obliterate Iran.' SO as long as OBAMA bomb bomb bombs
Iran, it's ok with his supporters.

Obama is a trojan horse for the GOP and right wing and each week it doesn't take
a microscope to see this---yet people who support him have their eyes closed.

Face it, the GOP is back.

"Back Track" Obama is who we got, but we voted for a lie.

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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 03:17 PM
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17. Your post won't be popular here, but it's excellent
:thumbsup:
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 04:17 PM
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18. Obama is playing chess
while DU plays tiddly-winks.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 06:52 PM
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20. God I hope not. The situation we and the world are in require a lot more complex thought than chess
to bring us through.

And regarding the OP: any symbolism Obama uses in future should avoid the utterly creepy. He could have made the same symbolic point with a less overtly offensive evangelical.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:46 PM
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27. yeah...he sees where he's going
but my tiddly-winks are falling down:-(

He's a great strategizer.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:29 PM
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28. A metaphor I have used more than once in reent months.
I agree with you and with Tyger.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 06:14 PM
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19. Interesting and thought-provoking analysis, TygrBright. I think you're on to something.
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 06:55 PM
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22. I like the way you worded that. Fine Post...thanks! n/t
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 07:16 PM
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25. I think you gave it far too much thought, its very simple, he needed a bigot to represent other...
bigots, to reach out to them, because, you know, they may actually see the errors of their ways when you legitimize their point of view. :eyes:
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:37 PM
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30. Nah he thinks he can score a vote or two
The ever campaigning Obama. If there's any chance in hell for a vote he goes for it. HE knows he's got our votes, or DOES HE? (evil eyebrow raises)
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-18-08 09:31 PM
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29. Obama posts at DU and picked Warren to stop the Caroline threads
Edited on Thu Dec-18-08 09:31 PM by Jersey Devil
Well, it forken worked, didn't it?

The man's a forken genius!
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